RE: SOTW: Honda Civic VTI Aerodeck
Discussion
MarJay said:
This is a very unimaginative shed. It's not very interesting and it's a cheap japanese car. You expect them to be under a grand. Plus with the high mileage there must be plenty of cars around that are more interesting for less money.
Even the MR2 last week had done stratospheric miles and had nasty wheels. I've seen nicer ones for under a grand.
Tut tut SOTW, tut tut. The best motoring feature on the 'net is rapidly becoming an afterthought for the PH massive. Shame on you.
103K is hardly high mileage. And why is this an unimaginative choice? these were not like a Toyota Carina in any way or a Nissan Primera or a Mazda 626 etc, now these are boring japanese cars the Vti is not. Sorry dont mean to be argumentative or anything.Even the MR2 last week had done stratospheric miles and had nasty wheels. I've seen nicer ones for under a grand.
Tut tut SOTW, tut tut. The best motoring feature on the 'net is rapidly becoming an afterthought for the PH massive. Shame on you.
delmatt said:
103K is hardly high mileage. And why is this an unimaginative choice? these were not like a Toyota Carina in any way or a Nissan Primera or a Mazda 626 etc, now these are boring japanese cars the Vti is not. Sorry dont mean to be argumentative or anything.
It LOOKS boring, under the skin it's quite interesting, but at the same time I don't think it's the best-ever Civic.MarJay said:
This is a very unimaginative shed. It's not very interesting and it's a cheap japanese car. You expect them to be under a grand. Plus with the high mileage there must be plenty of cars around that are more interesting for less money.
Even the MR2 last week had done stratospheric miles and had nasty wheels. I've seen nicer ones for under a grand.
Tut tut SOTW, tut tut. The best motoring feature on the 'net is rapidly becoming an afterthought for the PH massive. Shame on you.
Your judging a car before you even try it Even the MR2 last week had done stratospheric miles and had nasty wheels. I've seen nicer ones for under a grand.
Tut tut SOTW, tut tut. The best motoring feature on the 'net is rapidly becoming an afterthought for the PH massive. Shame on you.
Bear Phils said:
Your judging a car before you even try it
Its one saving grace is apparently its 'VTEC' engine. For me that isn't enough to make me want one, certainly not at that mileage and that price. If it was rear drive maybe, or it had over 200bhp, or it didn't look like a granny mobile, or if it had more toys... maybe.By the way, I just purchased a standard 77k Mk2 MR2 for £1200. From this information we can deduce that you MUST be able to get something more interesting than a Civic estate for less than a grand.
I had an MB-series VTi hatchback before I got my first 'teg, and I loved it - vs my old Orion 1.6i it was a major step-up in every way. At the time, it was properly quick (vs e.g. 306 XSi / Golf 2.0 GTi - 1.8T I think was on the way, as was the Focus ST170), well-equipped and looked OK. It was also absolutely faultless.
That said, it was no 5-door ITR, despite the similar suspension and powertrain. Negatives vs the 'teg were:-
- comparatively-numb steering
- less effective springs/dampers - much better ride, which suggests it'll feel like a magic carpet today.
- (I think...) viscous LSD not torsen
- comparative lack of mid-range torque...probably half-due to the additional 200kg it had to haul. ITR felt significantly faster all-round, despite only having an extra 20bhp.
I still think it's a worthy shed though - it's a decent all-rounder and will probably soldier-on to 200k quite happily, unlike some recent (& newer) sheds...
That said, it was no 5-door ITR, despite the similar suspension and powertrain. Negatives vs the 'teg were:-
- comparatively-numb steering
- less effective springs/dampers - much better ride, which suggests it'll feel like a magic carpet today.
- (I think...) viscous LSD not torsen
- comparative lack of mid-range torque...probably half-due to the additional 200kg it had to haul. ITR felt significantly faster all-round, despite only having an extra 20bhp.
I still think it's a worthy shed though - it's a decent all-rounder and will probably soldier-on to 200k quite happily, unlike some recent (& newer) sheds...
MarJay said:
Its one saving grace is apparently its 'VTEC' engine. For me that isn't enough to make me want one, certainly not at that mileage and that price. If it was rear drive maybe, or it had over 200bhp, or it didn't look like a granny mobile, or if it had more toys... maybe.
By the way, I just purchased a standard 77k Mk2 MR2 for £1200. From this information we can deduce that you MUST be able to get something more interesting than a Civic estate for less than a grand.
I agree an MR2 is better in many areas, however if you need to move stuff or people it doesnt really cut it!By the way, I just purchased a standard 77k Mk2 MR2 for £1200. From this information we can deduce that you MUST be able to get something more interesting than a Civic estate for less than a grand.
MarJay said:
Its one saving grace is apparently its 'VTEC' engine. For me that isn't enough to make me want one, certainly not at that mileage and that price. If it was rear drive maybe, or it had over 200bhp, or it didn't look like a granny mobile, or if it had more toys... maybe.
By the way, I just purchased a standard 77k Mk2 MR2 for £1200. From this information we can deduce that you MUST be able to get something more interesting than a Civic estate for less than a grand.
Would that be the very rare Mk2 MR2 Estate that swallows 5 people plus luggage and has a legendary Honda VTEC engine? By the way, I just purchased a standard 77k Mk2 MR2 for £1200. From this information we can deduce that you MUST be able to get something more interesting than a Civic estate for less than a grand.
The only thing we can deduce is that you can buy a Mk2 MR2 for similar money, which has already been covered by the last SOTW. Do you propose that only mid-engined 2 seater coupes be included for SOTW? It would be a very brief series if so...
That actual one looks excellent for me. I was considering getting an old estate to cart my mountain bikes about in, and had considered these, but was put off because I don't think i can justify running 3 cars congruently. But that one is exactly what i would've wanted...
It won't appeal to everyone, but it is as close as you'll ever get to an integra type-r estate. The floorpan/chassis is virtually the same (based on the EG/DC more so than the EK), and all the running gear is basically what the DC2 type-r was 'uprated from'. Surely that's enough to make it worthy of SOTW!
It won't appeal to everyone, but it is as close as you'll ever get to an integra type-r estate. The floorpan/chassis is virtually the same (based on the EG/DC more so than the EK), and all the running gear is basically what the DC2 type-r was 'uprated from'. Surely that's enough to make it worthy of SOTW!
I think this is a cracking shed. Great handling, great engine, nice enough interior, sensible miles...
I have a 101k MG ZS with the 1.8 120PS K-series engine, and its the best handling fwd car I've driven. I understand these Civics are reasonably similar underneath so could be a right hoot!
I have a 101k MG ZS with the 1.8 120PS K-series engine, and its the best handling fwd car I've driven. I understand these Civics are reasonably similar underneath so could be a right hoot!
hora said:
Actually- this might be a good 'scruff' car for throwing a bike in the back/carrying stuff to the tip etc. I wouldn't pay 1k for it though. Mad mad price.
"DRIVING VALUE YET AGAIN" I disagree. A 14yr old car for a grand.
The Mk2 MR2 covered in last weeks SOTW will be up to 22 years old, terribly bad value I suppose? "DRIVING VALUE YET AGAIN" I disagree. A 14yr old car for a grand.
How about the Merc 190 that so many people apparently loved, they are virtually pre-historic at up to 30 years old. Awful value.
Hmmmmmm not sure about the Aerodeck...
I had a very tidy low mileage hatchback version:
It was actually a very nice car for the money - very smooth engine and sounded nice / went well over 5k rpm. It didn't float my boat like my 89 CRX (fantastic car) but the LSD made a huge difference it really did grip well out of the corners for a FWD car.
I had a very tidy low mileage hatchback version:
It was actually a very nice car for the money - very smooth engine and sounded nice / went well over 5k rpm. It didn't float my boat like my 89 CRX (fantastic car) but the LSD made a huge difference it really did grip well out of the corners for a FWD car.
Edited by leeson660 on Friday 22 February 13:38
Mr2Mike said:
I suspect that if I was a powerfully built company director with a Porsche Cayenne and a Bentley Continental GT in my garage I might not be very interested in sub £1000 cars either. This is not the thread you are looking for.Mr2Mike said:
Would that be the very rare Mk2 MR2 Estate that swallows 5 people plus luggage and has a legendary Honda VTEC engine?
The only thing we can deduce is that you can buy a Mk2 MR2 for similar money, which has already been covered by the last SOTW. Do you propose that only mid-engined 2 seater coupes be included for SOTW? It would be a very brief series if so...
No of course I'm not saying that. But most sheds I can see they have appeal in certain areas. Those would be:The only thing we can deduce is that you can buy a Mk2 MR2 for similar money, which has already been covered by the last SOTW. Do you propose that only mid-engined 2 seater coupes be included for SOTW? It would be a very brief series if so...
Engine
Toys
Drive layout
looks
comfort
handling
I'd say that for a shed to be truly interesting it needs at least two out of three of those items to be right. It needs them so people go 'oh yeah, that's good!'
In this case, the car has one feature from this list, which is questionable at best. It's not a super powerful engine, nor does it have immense torque. It has a peaky power delivery which is enough for some people, but without any of the other items on my list, it's not enough.
If you want practical cars, don't read SOTW as practicality is not one of the major considerations when buying an interesting car. Sure, there have been practical sheds, but that was just a bonus rather than part of the core criteria for an 'interesting' shed.
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