RE: Ferrari F150 vs McLaren P1: PH Blog
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jason61c said:
Both the cars will be special in their own way, however none will be special like a Pagani is.
Why is a Pagani more 'special' than the P1 or the F150?I know it's all very subjective, what one would consider "special". I'd consider the P1 to be more special than the Ferrari or Pagani...
But more to the point, which of these cars would provide the most assault to the senses?
Dr Z said:
jason61c said:
Both the cars will be special in their own way, however none will be special like a Pagani is.
Why is a Pagani more 'special' than the P1 or the F150?I know it's all very subjective, what one would consider "special". I'd consider the P1 to be more special than the Ferrari or Pagani...
But more to the point, which of these cars would provide the most assault to the senses?
We all have our own view of 'special' that's what makes the world great. Your view just isn't as correct as mine
jimbob82 said:
1 is a thoroughbred race car and the other has been created by some of, if not THE best engineer's in the world...
aah. BUTThink of Adrian Newey. He's the top man as you are aware. Went from Williams to McLaren to Red Bull. he sets teh tone for the cars and his nad built team do the rest. 1 man conducting the orchestra. Look at the McL F1. Gordon Murray was the man. Obsessive about weight. Called in the personal favour from Paul Rosche (BMW) All men in their respective fields were legends. The clout required.
Whose at McLaren now leading the way? What cars did he last engineer? Same question to Ferrari to be fair, but you could argue the 'Enzo' factor (founder, not F60) imbued enough character/passion that is still being acted upon today. A Ferrari these days is still a Ferrari (few exceptions of course) A Lambo today still has that "Lamboness"
The McLarens post SLR suffer from that "1 man vision" thing. Which is a shame.
Ex Boy Racer said:
Obviously McLaren has heritage - I perhaps overstated. But imagine if McLaren had taken the 'no news, no releases' strategy that Ferrari has; do you think there would be the same interest?
Indeed. What you can't have you want more. Foreplay and all that Caractacus said:
One thing I feel we can ALL agree on though...
The stats for the P1 will be on the money, real world numbers, speeds, etc. These speeds will be achievable my owners and Chris Harris alike. The stats for the F150 will be manufactured and no one, bar the factory, will ever be able to extract the same data from the car.
Yes becasue McLaren never did a review with a magazine and not have people from the factory present. Apart from that one in "CAR" where their new car was slowest, but it's ok because McLaren came back a few days later and beat the other cars times. Shame the mag had gone home by that point The stats for the P1 will be on the money, real world numbers, speeds, etc. These speeds will be achievable my owners and Chris Harris alike. The stats for the F150 will be manufactured and no one, bar the factory, will ever be able to extract the same data from the car.
JustNeil said:
I get the feeling that they are two different cars for two different purposes. Depends if you're buying a car, or a badge really.
The P1 will be a drivers car, small, reliable and relatively easy to drive, which means it'll get used regularly (hopefully)
The F150 or whatever it's going to be called will be a big, wide, shouty primadonna that will be seen parked up in Monaco when the Formula 1 is there, and then go back into it's air conditioned box until next year, along with the F40, F50 and Enzo that also never get driven.
If you want to drive, get a P1. If you want to be looked at, get the Ferrari.
Guess where my money's going...
Yes because apparently a F458 is impossible to live with. Your assumption that Ferrari's are hard to live with is wrong. Old Lambos, yes I'd be with you. But modern Fezzas are just as modern as the competition and just as useable. Neither F150 or P1 or F1 are everyday cars in any case. Even Rowan Atkinson has a Golf The P1 will be a drivers car, small, reliable and relatively easy to drive, which means it'll get used regularly (hopefully)
The F150 or whatever it's going to be called will be a big, wide, shouty primadonna that will be seen parked up in Monaco when the Formula 1 is there, and then go back into it's air conditioned box until next year, along with the F40, F50 and Enzo that also never get driven.
If you want to drive, get a P1. If you want to be looked at, get the Ferrari.
Guess where my money's going...
My million (if i ever had one) will (would) definately go to the McLaren ... even if i haven't sees the Ferrari yet ... even if the Ferrari turns out to be the beter car ... i have more faith in UK-based technology and the people around it (no, i'm not UK-based, i live in a country that's probably more corrupt than Italy and it's not the Italians i dislike, far from, let's say i'm not a huge Ferrari-fan).
Anyway, chances the car would let me down in the middle of nowhere are less with the MacLaren :-)
Anyway, chances the car would let me down in the middle of nowhere are less with the MacLaren :-)
Edited by bimbeano on Friday 1st March 21:03
SpeckledJim said:
BelfastBoy said:
I don't know why Ferrari bother with all the smoke-and-mirrors slow reveal stuff leading up to motorshows, because whatever the expected production run is for the F150, I'm sure it's all been accounted for long ago.
Because making a fuss about 300 £1m cars built from 100% unobtainium is a very good way of shifting 458s at very nice margins indeed.The £1m car is an anchor. A crazy-priced item of conspicuous desirability which drags up the perceived value of the actual product for sale.
kING HILARIOUS.Funny, how Porsche's 918 Spyder Hybrid isn't mentioned in the P1 vs F150 hybrid car battle. The 918 is easily the slowest, but it's very good looking, almost reminds me of a Ford GT and other LeMans cars. I don't like hybrids, but the Porsche 918 actually makes sense because it will get 94(claimed) MPG with it's plug in feature. I think I'd take the Porsche over P1 and the F150. Plus, it's a spyder.
I think Ford will sue Ferrari if they use the name F-150 as well, it's a truck here in America. Italians must be a bit thick, because the Ford f150 is one of the highest all time selling cars in the world.
I think Ford will sue Ferrari if they use the name F-150 as well, it's a truck here in America. Italians must be a bit thick, because the Ford f150 is one of the highest all time selling cars in the world.
EcoBox said:
I think Ford will sue Ferrari if they use the name F-150 as well, it's a truck here in America. Italians must be a bit thick, because the Ford f150 is one of the highest all time selling cars in the world.
I highly doubt Ferrari will use the F150 name for their new hypercar as I think they got sued/threatened to sue by Ford when they named their 2012 F1 racer as F150.Ford were stupid enough to claim that a slicks and wings single seater racer will be confused for a bloody truck, I'm sure they could find a link to Maranello's finest.
LongLiveTazio said:
The problem from my POV is that Ferrari have the 'go to a track' thing sewn up and provide factory backed days to go play with your car and feel like part of the factory. Having been to such a weekend I can say that it did feel very special and had an amazing atmosphere - and it's definitely not about laptimes! McLaren are going to have to work very, very hard to provide a similar experience for owners, because 800k+ isn't really just buying a car, it's the whole package.
Not just this but Ferrari has a huge social and business edge. If you spend enough money with them you become part of their club which gives you access to a wealthy global network. In essence this will always allow Ferrari to sell more units. It is a hugely important business network. Caractacus said:
Mclaren have a heritage, there is no doubt about that. Admittedly, it's not as long as the Fix It Again Tony boys.
One thing I feel we can ALL agree on though...
The stats for the P1 will be on the money, real world numbers, speeds, etc. These speeds will be achievable my owners and Chris Harris alike. The stats for the F150 will be manufactured and no one, bar the factory, will ever be able to extract the same data from the car.
Mclaren P1 for me, every time. The cheating, lying, pasta-sucking FIA 'owners' can go do one.
Oh, wow. Your arguements are as hard to break apart as a rotten baby diaper. One thing I feel we can ALL agree on though...
The stats for the P1 will be on the money, real world numbers, speeds, etc. These speeds will be achievable my owners and Chris Harris alike. The stats for the F150 will be manufactured and no one, bar the factory, will ever be able to extract the same data from the car.
Mclaren P1 for me, every time. The cheating, lying, pasta-sucking FIA 'owners' can go do one.
Pathetic.
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