RE: Could you buy a BMW i3?
Discussion
Andrew[MG] said:
So how much would this actually cost to charge, based on the average electricity price of a residential user? Can't believe this hasn't been asked yet so we can compare £ per mile of this vs a 118d!
Well it appears to be 16kwh, so assuming reasonable charging efficiency about £2 on a decent off-peak tariff? Perhaps a bit less, I'm not sure what economy seven rates are like these days. Monty Python said:
If distance is an issue, buy the range extender version (however, don't expect to carry anything larger than a toothbrush in the boot).
Why? The boot on the range extender is exactly the same size as that in the pure electric one (260 l IIRC).Edited by Monty Python on Tuesday 30th July 13:07
Edited by AnotherClarkey on Tuesday 30th July 14:10
kambites said:
I disagree. Taxing electricity for automotive use would be too complicated to enforce. What they'll do, is fill the budget hole by charging for road use.
That's quite a likely outcome, although the simplest way of taxing electric vehicles (much simpler than road charging) would be to introduce a tiered duty on domestic electricity. Probably politically infeasible, though.When I was at school I used to be taken to school in a variety of cars. "The school run". Hillman Imp, 6 in a 240z, Granada's and Mk 1 Cortina amongst others.
Since then cars have developed in som many different directions and the level of technical innovation has been impressive.
However why is it that car companies, almost to a man, insist on making affordable Electric cars ugly. This one included. They have some this since the first cars, Sinclair C5, GM EV1, Prius etc. BMW you would expect the buck the trend but the myopia continues. Sad because it masks the trully incredible innovation that has taken place sine the days of the Cortina and 3 geared lurchy Granda.
At the luxury end some companies have been able to make achinignly beautiful cars, like Fisker or Tesla and Hybrids like the CX-75.
Come on we are not stuck in a 1970's Jerry Anderson sci-fi series.
Since then cars have developed in som many different directions and the level of technical innovation has been impressive.
However why is it that car companies, almost to a man, insist on making affordable Electric cars ugly. This one included. They have some this since the first cars, Sinclair C5, GM EV1, Prius etc. BMW you would expect the buck the trend but the myopia continues. Sad because it masks the trully incredible innovation that has taken place sine the days of the Cortina and 3 geared lurchy Granda.
At the luxury end some companies have been able to make achinignly beautiful cars, like Fisker or Tesla and Hybrids like the CX-75.
Come on we are not stuck in a 1970's Jerry Anderson sci-fi series.
Max_Torque said:
The Moose said:
Do short stop/start journeys deplete the battery faster than long journeys? I assume so due to the acceleration/deceleration?
Faster in time, or fast in distance??Long journeys, at a high average speed will discharge the battery faster in time (because the road load is higher) but you will probably(see note) travel more miles.
Short "Stop-start" journeys will leave you with charge for a longer amount of time (because the average speed is low) but you won't travel as far in terms of miles per charge.
AnotherClarkey said:
Why? The boot on the range extender is exactly the same size as that in the pure electric one (260 l IIRC).
So it is....I thought I'd read somewhere that the petrol engine took up some of the boot, but it doesn't.Edited by AnotherClarkey on Tuesday 30th July 14:10
smilo996 said:
When I was at school I used to be taken to school in a variety of cars. "The school run". Hillman Imp, 6 in a 240z, Granada's and Mk 1 Cortina amongst others.
Since then cars have developed in som many different directions and the level of technical innovation has been impressive.
However why is it that car companies, almost to a man, insist on making affordable Electric cars ugly. This one included. They have some this since the first cars, Sinclair C5, GM EV1, Prius etc. BMW you would expect the buck the trend but the myopia continues. Sad because it masks the trully incredible innovation that has taken place sine the days of the Cortina and 3 geared lurchy Granda.
At the luxury end some companies have been able to make achinignly beautiful cars, like Fisker or Tesla and Hybrids like the CX-75.
Come on we are not stuck in a 1970's Jerry Anderson sci-fi series.
I dont think its ugly. Bear in mind the Germans and French think we live in ugly houses..and they're right.Since then cars have developed in som many different directions and the level of technical innovation has been impressive.
However why is it that car companies, almost to a man, insist on making affordable Electric cars ugly. This one included. They have some this since the first cars, Sinclair C5, GM EV1, Prius etc. BMW you would expect the buck the trend but the myopia continues. Sad because it masks the trully incredible innovation that has taken place sine the days of the Cortina and 3 geared lurchy Granda.
At the luxury end some companies have been able to make achinignly beautiful cars, like Fisker or Tesla and Hybrids like the CX-75.
Come on we are not stuck in a 1970's Jerry Anderson sci-fi series.
Technomatt said:
Yet another expensive EV crowding out a niche market with minimal demand whilst trying to portray a highbrow culture of environmental advantages while the technology, costs and whole life emissions are still not viable.
Nissan/Renault has already learnt the hard way with pure EVs with huge R+D costs for minimal sales.
Whilst BMW may have a slight edge with a (limited) range extender, the constant arrogant, saving the planet, we must embrace a new future, you just need to appreciate the technology approach surrounding these supposedly ‘green’ but expensive and immature EV technologies is painful to witness.
Cue a load discussion about the merits and ‘I would seriously consider one’, ‘it would be ideal for me on my commute’, ‘I like the idea’, ‘it’s the future’, ‘peak oil blah (..myth)’ ...... but of course, only a miniscule percentage of people will ever commit and buy one. Reality.
How about the reality that if this had an archaic V8 engine in it, noise enhancing pipe, with slightly sportier looks, phrs would be camping out to get in the queue and be prepared to pay twice as much just for bragging rights of the carbon body.Nissan/Renault has already learnt the hard way with pure EVs with huge R+D costs for minimal sales.
Whilst BMW may have a slight edge with a (limited) range extender, the constant arrogant, saving the planet, we must embrace a new future, you just need to appreciate the technology approach surrounding these supposedly ‘green’ but expensive and immature EV technologies is painful to witness.
Cue a load discussion about the merits and ‘I would seriously consider one’, ‘it would be ideal for me on my commute’, ‘I like the idea’, ‘it’s the future’, ‘peak oil blah (..myth)’ ...... but of course, only a miniscule percentage of people will ever commit and buy one. Reality.
Edited by oilspill on Tuesday 30th July 15:14
Edited by oilspill on Tuesday 30th July 15:17
otolith said:
That's quite a likely outcome, although the simplest way of taxing electric vehicles (much simpler than road charging) would be to introduce a tiered duty on domestic electricity. Probably politically infeasible, though.
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