RE: Toyota GT86: PH Carpool
Discussion
speedtwelve said:
I'd like a GT86 in the future as a fun daily driver once they have come down in price. More and more appearing on the roads after seeming quite a rare sight in the first year of sale. I do like the styling and usually go "Ooh, a GT86!" when I see one go past. BRZ so much rarer; saw my first on the road only last week.
Read a buying guide on the Mondial recently; independent specialists seemingly charge c. £15k for a full engine rebuild if it goes bang. Entirely comparable to the running costs of an in-warranty Toyota then... At least 300 didn't suggest a Lincoln Continental as a viable alternative.
So how likely is an engine rebuild? Would you really need to go to a specialist to get an engine rebuilt? How much would an out of warranty Toyota need for Toyota to rebuild an engine?Read a buying guide on the Mondial recently; independent specialists seemingly charge c. £15k for a full engine rebuild if it goes bang. Entirely comparable to the running costs of an in-warranty Toyota then... At least 300 didn't suggest a Lincoln Continental as a viable alternative.
speedtwelve said:
I'd like a GT86 in the future as a fun daily driver once they have come down in price. More and more appearing on the roads after seeming quite a rare sight in the first year of sale. I do like the styling and usually go "Ooh, a GT86!" when I see one go past. BRZ so much rarer; saw my first on the road only last week.
Read a buying guide on the Mondial recently; independent specialists seemingly charge c. £15k for a full engine rebuild if it goes bang. Entirely comparable to the running costs of an in-warranty Toyota then... At least 300 didn't suggest a Lincoln Continental as a viable alternative.
Crazy money but its not a great surprise is it, hand built V8 that has probably had lots of owners all ragging it about then selling before big bills, recipe for disaster unless you are very friendly with a local Ferrari specialist and enjoy spending every weekend making sure that you stay on top of everything. Like you say, just like a 12 month old Toyota Read a buying guide on the Mondial recently; independent specialists seemingly charge c. £15k for a full engine rebuild if it goes bang. Entirely comparable to the running costs of an in-warranty Toyota then... At least 300 didn't suggest a Lincoln Continental as a viable alternative.
300bhp/ton said:
I really like these. In fact think they are fantastic and will certainly be on the radar in a number of years time, once they have done most of their depreciation.
However for this budget I simply couldn't opt for a Toyota, not when you could have something like this:
Mondial T (1993) £21,995
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
1985 Ferrari Mondial 3.0 Coupe Petrol Manual (1985) £14,995
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Umm let me see.
-great drive = check
-great engine = check
-2+2 seating = check
-fairly lightweight and focused for the driver = check
-boot = well sort of
Ok it might cost a bit more to run, but I'm willing to bet in 5 years time it'll have held on to its money very well, while the Toyota won't have. On this basis alone I suspect 'total cost of ownership' may be rather similar.
Way to (try to) piss on his chips... I love the GT86, I sat in one in Bath once. I loved the way it just seemed set out for sheer driving pleasure and lightness. Even the frameless Rear view mirrorHowever for this budget I simply couldn't opt for a Toyota, not when you could have something like this:
Mondial T (1993) £21,995
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
1985 Ferrari Mondial 3.0 Coupe Petrol Manual (1985) £14,995
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Umm let me see.
-great drive = check
-great engine = check
-2+2 seating = check
-fairly lightweight and focused for the driver = check
-boot = well sort of
Ok it might cost a bit more to run, but I'm willing to bet in 5 years time it'll have held on to its money very well, while the Toyota won't have. On this basis alone I suspect 'total cost of ownership' may be rather similar.
This is getting rather off topic, which wasn't the point of my initial post. But I'll continue to reply as others comment. 
And were are you getting your price from for servicing?? I'm willing to bet you are quoting specialist pricing. But you'd be a a bit dim to take a £14k Ferrari to a specialist and pay the same rates as people do for £60-70k Ferrari's.
The majority of most services is just an oil and filter change and a quick once over to make sure it looks ok. Any capable mechanic could do this, even on a Mondial.
Bigger services may include plugs and maybe even the air and fuel filter. But that is about as far as most services go for most vehicles.
Lets not forget I said "I'd get", ie 'ME' would consider a Mondial at this money, not that the op should.
P-Jay said:
Yes age plays a part, but seriously - 25k- 30k miles, in a not-great-when-they-were-new Ferrari?
Where are you getting the "not-great-when-they-were-new". This just seems more like your own personal biased because I suspect you don't like the styling of this Ferrari. Do you have any stats to actually substantiate this claim?P-Jay said:
You'd need your head read. Services a year at £500 and £1000 if you need belts, you'll need a few of those a year
WTF why would you need lots of belts a year??And were are you getting your price from for servicing?? I'm willing to bet you are quoting specialist pricing. But you'd be a a bit dim to take a £14k Ferrari to a specialist and pay the same rates as people do for £60-70k Ferrari's.
The majority of most services is just an oil and filter change and a quick once over to make sure it looks ok. Any capable mechanic could do this, even on a Mondial.
Bigger services may include plugs and maybe even the air and fuel filter. But that is about as far as most services go for most vehicles.
P-Jay said:
tyres are £300 each
P-Jay said:
it'll do 19mpg
Which is only marginally worse than my Impreza Turbo and not all that different to a Focus ST.Lets not forget I said "I'd get", ie 'ME' would consider a Mondial at this money, not that the op should.
yonex said:
You are talking about a 30 year old Ferrari from an era when electrics were regarded as witchcraft and the people who put them together did so around coffee breaks.
This maybe true. But people also say the same about Mitsubishi 3000GTO's and even EFI Fords and Vauxhalls.The reality is today, that old electronics really aren't the problem everyone predicted them to be.
yonex said:
There is a saying, no such thing as a cheap Ferrari. Belt service every 15K miles then a slush fund for ongoing jobs. I would think the average Mondial would need £2-3K a year barring any major issues. Fuel consumption is going to be early 20's and as a daily I am betting the ventilation is s
t and it really wouldn't like the winter very much, not to mention you would need to spend a fair bit of time keeping salt out of things. I would also assume that a high mileage Mondial is going to be about as tempting as a dose to most buyers.
In short not a daily car, unless you are mad.
Clearly I'm mad t and it really wouldn't like the winter very much, not to mention you would need to spend a fair bit of time keeping salt out of things. I would also assume that a high mileage Mondial is going to be about as tempting as a dose to most buyers. In short not a daily car, unless you are mad.
at the time of writing this a M135i or a Cayman seemed like a great next step but I saw one of these on the weekend:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/g...
Surely a much better proposition than a Ferrari Mondial
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/g...
Surely a much better proposition than a Ferrari Mondial
otolith said:
I'm not sure you can simultaneously use the "it won't depreciate" and the "I won't pay for specialist servicing" angles.
Would you really not buy a £14-20k Mondial purely on the basis it hasn't got a full Ferrari or specialist service history? Personally I'm sure many would just buy on condition.300bhp/ton said:
Would you really not buy a £14-20k Mondial purely on the basis it hasn't got a full Ferrari or specialist service history? Personally I'm sure many would just buy on condition.
Nobody is going to spend £20K on an old Mondial without lots of history and a full service record/decent warranty.You are talking as if this is a regular sort of decision....GT86 or Ferrari, I just don't know which way to go.
300bhp/ton said:
otolith said:
I'm not sure you can simultaneously use the "it won't depreciate" and the "I won't pay for specialist servicing" angles.
Would you really not buy a £14-20k Mondial purely on the basis it hasn't got a full Ferrari or specialist service history? Personally I'm sure many would just buy on condition.So you are either going to buy one without proper history (asking for trouble) or you are going to buy one with good history and then not maintain it to the same standard (asking for depreciation).
300bhp/ton said:
This is getting rather off topic, which wasn't the point of my initial post. But I'll continue to reply as others comment.
And were are you getting your price from for servicing?? I'm willing to bet you are quoting specialist pricing. But you'd be a a bit dim to take a £14k Ferrari to a specialist and pay the same rates as people do for £60-70k Ferrari's.
The majority of most services is just an oil and filter change and a quick once over to make sure it looks ok. Any capable mechanic could do this, even on a Mondial.
Bigger services may include plugs and maybe even the air and fuel filter. But that is about as far as most services go for most vehicles.
Lets not forget I said "I'd get", ie 'ME' would consider a Mondial at this money, not that the op should.
I give up, when the argument descends into "so only marginally worse mpg than a thirsty car, which hasn't been previously mentioned" I know when to walk away.P-Jay said:
Yes age plays a part, but seriously - 25k- 30k miles, in a not-great-when-they-were-new Ferrari?
Where are you getting the "not-great-when-they-were-new". This just seems more like your own personal biased because I suspect you don't like the styling of this Ferrari. Do you have any stats to actually substantiate this claim?P-Jay said:
You'd need your head read. Services a year at £500 and £1000 if you need belts, you'll need a few of those a year
WTF why would you need lots of belts a year??And were are you getting your price from for servicing?? I'm willing to bet you are quoting specialist pricing. But you'd be a a bit dim to take a £14k Ferrari to a specialist and pay the same rates as people do for £60-70k Ferrari's.
The majority of most services is just an oil and filter change and a quick once over to make sure it looks ok. Any capable mechanic could do this, even on a Mondial.
Bigger services may include plugs and maybe even the air and fuel filter. But that is about as far as most services go for most vehicles.
P-Jay said:
tyres are £300 each
P-Jay said:
it'll do 19mpg
Which is only marginally worse than my Impreza Turbo and not all that different to a Focus ST.Lets not forget I said "I'd get", ie 'ME' would consider a Mondial at this money, not that the op should.
I guess telling people "I've got a Ferrari" is worth all the arseache to some.
otolith said:
300bhp/ton said:
otolith said:
I'm not sure you can simultaneously use the "it won't depreciate" and the "I won't pay for specialist servicing" angles.
Would you really not buy a £14-20k Mondial purely on the basis it hasn't got a full Ferrari or specialist service history? Personally I'm sure many would just buy on condition.So you are either going to buy one without proper history (asking for trouble) or you are going to buy one with good history and then not maintain it to the same standard (asking for depreciation).
But when you can buy the right grade oil for say £40-50 and a filter for under £20 quid: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oil-Fuel-Service-Filter-...
Why on Earth would you want to go and spank £500+ pounds just to get a specialist to over charge for this? You can still get a receipt and document the oil change without the need for a specialist.
Lovely car, except of course you've got in the wrong colour with the wrong badge. Here's mine:
Similarly to the reviewer, I do a fair few miles each year (c24k) and the thought of choosing an '80s Ferrari as a viable alternative, is as bonkers as suggesting an 80's Corolla is a good substitute for a Califonia.
As much as I adore cars, the thought of spending a bucket load on a new car leaves me cold. I've always bought at 3 years old and sold them when they approached 100k in a couple of years. Fiat Coupe, Impreza, 6MPS, alfa 156 and 159 and prior to the BRZ an Outback. I've always wanted a car I would enjoy driving, seeing as I spend so much time in it. The running costs are cheap, averaging 36mpg (tank to tank), service costs are sensible, warranty has been topped up to match the GT86 and a good px on the Outback led me to grab a BRZ. Yes, a Cayman is an alternative, but not if you want to be able to put the kids occasionally in the back, need a respectable mpg and service cost, together with a bullet proof warranty for peace of mind. For the first time ever in 25 yrs of driving, the BRZ was enough to make me buy new......well almost at a year old!
I'm just not sure what to do with my 944 now, as I've effectively bought the new version of my classic, maybe a Mondial?
Similarly to the reviewer, I do a fair few miles each year (c24k) and the thought of choosing an '80s Ferrari as a viable alternative, is as bonkers as suggesting an 80's Corolla is a good substitute for a Califonia.
As much as I adore cars, the thought of spending a bucket load on a new car leaves me cold. I've always bought at 3 years old and sold them when they approached 100k in a couple of years. Fiat Coupe, Impreza, 6MPS, alfa 156 and 159 and prior to the BRZ an Outback. I've always wanted a car I would enjoy driving, seeing as I spend so much time in it. The running costs are cheap, averaging 36mpg (tank to tank), service costs are sensible, warranty has been topped up to match the GT86 and a good px on the Outback led me to grab a BRZ. Yes, a Cayman is an alternative, but not if you want to be able to put the kids occasionally in the back, need a respectable mpg and service cost, together with a bullet proof warranty for peace of mind. For the first time ever in 25 yrs of driving, the BRZ was enough to make me buy new......well almost at a year old!
I'm just not sure what to do with my 944 now, as I've effectively bought the new version of my classic, maybe a Mondial?
Edited by Dunk130TC on Monday 16th September 16:54
Edited by Dunk130TC on Monday 16th September 16:56
kidastu said:
at the time of writing this a M135i or a Cayman seemed like a great next step but I saw one of these on the weekend:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/g...
Surely a much better proposition than a Ferrari Mondial
They are lovely and should I come into some money would be a candidate. But they are 2 seater only.http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/g...
Surely a much better proposition than a Ferrari Mondial
300bhp/ton said:
otolith said:
300bhp/ton said:
otolith said:
I'm not sure you can simultaneously use the "it won't depreciate" and the "I won't pay for specialist servicing" angles.
Would you really not buy a £14-20k Mondial purely on the basis it hasn't got a full Ferrari or specialist service history? Personally I'm sure many would just buy on condition.So you are either going to buy one without proper history (asking for trouble) or you are going to buy one with good history and then not maintain it to the same standard (asking for depreciation).
But when you can buy the right grade oil for say £40-50 and a filter for under £20 quid: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oil-Fuel-Service-Filter-...
Why on Earth would you want to go and spank £500+ pounds just to get a specialist to over charge for this? You can still get a receipt and document the oil change without the need for a specialist.
http://www.ferraridatabase.com/The_Downloads/The%2...
So we've got oil and filter every 6250 miles or 12 months
Replace gearbox and diff oil every 12500 miles
Replace hydraulic clutch fluid every year
Replace AC, water pump and alternator belts every 18750 miles
Replace air filter every 6250 miles
Check and adjust valve clearance every 12500 miles
Replace timing belt every 25000 miles / 2 years
Replace fuel filter every 6250 miles
Check and adjust carbs every 6250 miles
That's all the regular stuff, ignoring all of the checking of suspension and steering systems and friction surfaces, and any repairs, adjustments or replacements those throw up.
You may think most of that stuff can be skimped on - the next buyer probably won't, and the value will have nose-dived.
Argh I've just come home from work and thought I'd read about the GT86 which I have a LOT of admiration for and wanted to read comments from owners.
Instead, 300bhp has come on, as annoying as ever, and turned it into a slagging match talking about a non-comparable old Ferrari.
FFS get a grip. Take a good think about yourself mate and lay off the endless answering back and bullst talking. Thanks.
Instead, 300bhp has come on, as annoying as ever, and turned it into a slagging match talking about a non-comparable old Ferrari.
FFS get a grip. Take a good think about yourself mate and lay off the endless answering back and bulls
t talking. Thanks.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff