RE: McLaren P1 Nurburgring lap time
Discussion
007 VXR said:
Digger said:
Ron does harp on a bit about wanting to be the best.
Nothing wrong with than ?Edited by blasos on Wednesday 23 October 01:25
ThatsWhatShe said:
BlackpoolRock said:
Can't wait to see what LaFerrari has up it's sleeve now !
They are using stone age technology compared to McLaren.I wonder if McLaren being down in 5th place in the F1 constructor's with only 83 points v Ferrari's 297 will affect sales?
ThatsWhatShe said:
BlackpoolRock said:
Can't wait to see what LaFerrari has up it's sleeve now !
Less than f
k all presumably.They are using stone age technology compared to McLaren.
blasos said:
This modern technology used by McLaren results is a car with a vastly smaller engine being 140kg heavier than the Ferrari. You're either hugely biased, logically inept or both! Methinks the latter is the case.
After that love letter to Ferrari you posted above, how could you possibly judge who is biased?And it would be a very foolish man to have an argument on the basis of any manufacturers quoted weight figures, especially the proven optimistic numbers that Ferrari release.
Car & Drivers Enzo was 300kg heavier than quoted.
DoodoolTala said:
LaFerrari crew checking in.
But in all seriousness, no car, be it the fastest or the most expensive car on earth will ever satisfy me knowing it was commissioned by Ron Dennis and made by McLaren. Possibly the most corporate and passionless company on the planet.
That's a very silly statement and if you spent a little time with the staff from McLaren you'd quickly see the error in your opinion. But in all seriousness, no car, be it the fastest or the most expensive car on earth will ever satisfy me knowing it was commissioned by Ron Dennis and made by McLaren. Possibly the most corporate and passionless company on the planet.
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DoodoolTala said:
LaFerrari crew checking in.
But in all seriousness, no car, be it the fastest or the most expensive car on earth will ever satisfy me knowing it was commissioned by Ron Dennis and made by McLaren. Possibly the most corporate and passionless company on the planet.
Corporate, passionless? Have you seen the production line? If they were corporate it'd have corners cut. However, it's a no expense spared example of the singleminded approach Ron and McLaren have for everything. Passionless? He is probably the worst looser in the world. The guy's passion for being the best literally defines the word. But in all seriousness, no car, be it the fastest or the most expensive car on earth will ever satisfy me knowing it was commissioned by Ron Dennis and made by McLaren. Possibly the most corporate and passionless company on the planet.
You seem to think McLaren are a bank and Ferrari a company of Leonardo Da Vinchi's, hanging around a workshop creating a masterpieces whenever they can be bothered?
I can't think of anyone or any company I would rather buy a car from. You know with them more than anyone that they are not f**king around with any aspect of the car.
Edited by jcl on Wednesday 23 October 05:01
Oh, and to the "(insert here) is more advanced than the (insert here)" comments; what struck me is how similar the specifications of both of them are. Obviously a large, NA V12 is quite different from a small-displacement, turbocharged V8, but the overall concept and technology of the hybrid powertrains, plus the quoted outputs strike me as eerily similar.
Until the magazine "head-to-head" tests start, it doesn't seem like there's much between them.
In the end I think it'll come down to "different strokes for different folks" and I doubt either manufacturer will have any trouble offloading them. You're not going see any LaF's or P1's languishing on dealer lots.
It's a win/win/win: the manufacturers win, the customers win, and media outlets like magazines, Top/Fifth Gear, and even sites like PistonHeads win due to the increased readership/viewership/traffic that comes with rivalries like this.
959 vs. F40; McLaren F1 vs. XJ220 vs. EB110; Enzo vs. CGT; now LaF vs. P1 vs. Huayra vs. 918. Supercar rivalries like these only seem to come along once in a decade, so let's relish these, 'cause who knows what supercars will be like in 2023?
Until the magazine "head-to-head" tests start, it doesn't seem like there's much between them.
In the end I think it'll come down to "different strokes for different folks" and I doubt either manufacturer will have any trouble offloading them. You're not going see any LaF's or P1's languishing on dealer lots.
It's a win/win/win: the manufacturers win, the customers win, and media outlets like magazines, Top/Fifth Gear, and even sites like PistonHeads win due to the increased readership/viewership/traffic that comes with rivalries like this.
959 vs. F40; McLaren F1 vs. XJ220 vs. EB110; Enzo vs. CGT; now LaF vs. P1 vs. Huayra vs. 918. Supercar rivalries like these only seem to come along once in a decade, so let's relish these, 'cause who knows what supercars will be like in 2023?
bobberz said:
My guess is that they're waiting for Ferrari to show their hand first, then they'll reveal the P1's time and steal Maranello's thunder?
That's what I would do if I was head of McLaren's marketing (providing the P1 is actually faster, mind.
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That would seem to be the sensible thing to do, but competing with Ferrari on ‘ring lap times when they are running on different days is a lose lose. Whatever time McLaren posts Ferrari will publish a quicker time and when the (if) independent press get hold of a LaFerrari (probably a customer car as Ferrari would not have their car go head to head with a competitor without a team of engineers and a “Factory” example, or two) and fail to meet the time, they will claim that the driver was not as good as the Ferrari test driver.That's what I would do if I was head of McLaren's marketing (providing the P1 is actually faster, mind.
)Now if McLaren were super confident and challenged Ferrari on a same day, same driver, customer car basis it is win win for McLaren. Ferrari turns up and chassis dyno awaits. Cars prove to have power that is representative of the car. New tyres fitted from the tyre manufacturer, laps done. If any manufacturer pulls out at any stage, forfeit and egg on face.
Of course it would never happen, but it would be fun to watch the wheels come off the Ferrari PR machine.
IN51GHT said:
Digger said:
Who oversees these ring attempts and how much scrutineering (if any!?) goes on! ie how can anyone be confident that the cars are within spec and have not been fettled with, for the occasion. It must happen, regularly!?
Pretty certain the Mac will be as std as possible.I think it's hilarius that most here seem to think that only Ferrari would ever consider to cheat with their laptimes. Do you really think Ferrari would do that every single occasion? And do you really think Mclaren would never do that? It would actually be much easier for Mclaren to up the boost a bit ;-)
.Digger said:
Who oversees these ring attempts and how much scrutineering (if any!?) goes on! ie how can anyone be confident that the cars are within spec and have not been fettled with, for the occasion. It must happen, regularly!?
rumours tend to circulate afterwards, when factory cars appear to not have the same performance characteristics against other carsHeard several stories of ferrari owners not understanding why their cars appear slower against the opposition, given that in roadtests etc they appear to be faster
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