RE: Don't demonise the Carrera GT: PH Blog
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ajprice said:
In one car at least it's already here.
Nissan GT-R. Speed limiter linked to GPS, unlocks when you're on a track. The limit is still 100mph+ (google is failing me on the exact limited speed), but it won't go the full whack on public roads.
yyeeesss....I can confirm that this is not the case, if a passenger ride in my friends' is anything to go by.Nissan GT-R. Speed limiter linked to GPS, unlocks when you're on a track. The limit is still 100mph+ (google is failing me on the exact limited speed), but it won't go the full whack on public roads.
ajprice said:
Nissan GT-R. Speed limiter linked to GPS, unlocks when you're on a track. The limit is still 100mph+ (google is failing me on the exact limited speed), but it won't go the full whack on public roads.
That's just a get-around for the Japanese-market 180 km/h speed limiter, no limiter on UK cars.Carrera GT - given that plenty of people manage to kill themselves in 1.2 litre shopping cars, I'm not sure the argument has much merit.
Very interesting post indeed. Thanks.
Long story short I remember one fact that shocked me: 67% of BMW 1-series owner don't know that it is RWD! A colleague of mine bought one recently and didn't care about the engine and wouldn't know the difference between RWD, FWD or AWD. For him all cars were AWD...
Surely too many people are driving a car but have no idea of the dynamics involved...
Long story short I remember one fact that shocked me: 67% of BMW 1-series owner don't know that it is RWD! A colleague of mine bought one recently and didn't care about the engine and wouldn't know the difference between RWD, FWD or AWD. For him all cars were AWD...
Surely too many people are driving a car but have no idea of the dynamics involved...
jasdun said:
As for his "drivers should know their limits" argument.....well...the limit is what keen drivers actively seek out, and exceeding it is what Harris' videos portray. Let's stop kidding ourselves.
Except the "limit" isn't some sort of fixed line, entity or thing. CH's videos show cars being driven at high angles of yaw. The fact that at no point in those videos does he spear off into the crash barriers demonstrates that he drives within his own limits. And that word "own" is really the key.jasdun said:
If you're going to be run over, wouldn't you rather it was by a faulty robot than a man-child reliving his youth?
er, it makes no difference. Only in a ridiculous world where we can sue people to make material wealth out of others misfortune does that matter. If you get run-over you get run over, end of. In one case we can blame the driver for not regarding his own personal limits and responsibilities. In the second case it will take a long, painful legal case to determine what the mechanical fault was, who was to blame, and how we stop it happening again. In either case i am still run over and dead, so i don't really care which one caused it, and nor should my relatives and family.
I can imagine the next "trip or fall at work", "mis-sold ppi" type adverts.....got it wrong trying to be a hero driver...you could be owed thousands...just sue Monkey Harris for making it look good!
ALSO
I recognise the CGT and the 959 they both look like the ones owned by a certain Mac f1 owner???
ALSO
I recognise the CGT and the 959 they both look like the ones owned by a certain Mac f1 owner???
werzwas said:
I may never get anywhere near a CGT, but I love the fact that it exists for those with the means to have one.
I was appalled at the general damning tone and sensationalism of the piece in the Daily Mail, that had no relation to anything that I had read in the motoring press since the cars launch. Reminded me of why I try and stay away from that abhorrent publication.
+1I was appalled at the general damning tone and sensationalism of the piece in the Daily Mail, that had no relation to anything that I had read in the motoring press since the cars launch. Reminded me of why I try and stay away from that abhorrent publication.
You can't be socially responsible and read the Daily Mail, but you can be socially responsible and drive a fast car!
I can't believe some posters on this thread, on this forum are disagreeing with Mr Harris... or did I accidentally visit mumsnet?
The buck stops with the human at the wheel, if a car has 140 or 1400bhp the meat pushing the throttle determines how much and how quickly it is applied, you can off yourself on a pushbike with 1/4bhp more easily than a family hatchback by being a plonker.
Long live the hypercar, the world has far too little silliness as it is, banning or restricting people from building and owning frankly stupid cars is just moronic.
PS- I watch Harris on Cars and Top Gear and have never drifted a car on the public highway (because I have to buy my own tyres) :-)
The buck stops with the human at the wheel, if a car has 140 or 1400bhp the meat pushing the throttle determines how much and how quickly it is applied, you can off yourself on a pushbike with 1/4bhp more easily than a family hatchback by being a plonker.
Long live the hypercar, the world has far too little silliness as it is, banning or restricting people from building and owning frankly stupid cars is just moronic.
PS- I watch Harris on Cars and Top Gear and have never drifted a car on the public highway (because I have to buy my own tyres) :-)
This era in which we live will be labelled the hysterical one.
No events can happen it seems without crying or knashing of teeth.
This way this particular incident is being reported is symptomatic of people's modern behaviour, more often than not fuelled by the media to its own end. Especially with 24 hour news available through so many channels.
The incident is a mere bagatelle in the context of what happens in the wider world each day and who actually cares about it can actually probably be measured by very few people shouting very loudly.
Yesterday's chip paper soon and we can find somthing else to be perplexed by that requires very little explanation.
No events can happen it seems without crying or knashing of teeth.
This way this particular incident is being reported is symptomatic of people's modern behaviour, more often than not fuelled by the media to its own end. Especially with 24 hour news available through so many channels.
The incident is a mere bagatelle in the context of what happens in the wider world each day and who actually cares about it can actually probably be measured by very few people shouting very loudly.
Yesterday's chip paper soon and we can find somthing else to be perplexed by that requires very little explanation.
Edited by birdcage on Thursday 5th December 17:55
BlimeyCharlie said:
Rod Hull died as a result of falling off his roof, but I don't hear for there to be a ban on roofs.
Derek Nimmo fell down his stairs, again no stair ban requested.
So even with Rod Hull playing it safe and going for the safe option of a house with no stairs (it was a bungalow) he then fell off the roof.
As soon as you get out of bed there is risk in everything we do.
However, I've never really understood the whole 'sideways' thing myself. I just equate it with pound signs going up in smoke.
Maybe we should ban humans. They are the ones who cause the majority of accidents.
Silly old humans, with their wars and famine and money and cars.
Ban them today.
I agree I mean no one banned homosexuality when Freddie Mercury died god bless his soulDerek Nimmo fell down his stairs, again no stair ban requested.
So even with Rod Hull playing it safe and going for the safe option of a house with no stairs (it was a bungalow) he then fell off the roof.
As soon as you get out of bed there is risk in everything we do.
However, I've never really understood the whole 'sideways' thing myself. I just equate it with pound signs going up in smoke.
Maybe we should ban humans. They are the ones who cause the majority of accidents.
Silly old humans, with their wars and famine and money and cars.
Ban them today.
scubadude said:
I can't believe some posters on this thread, on this forum are disagreeing with Mr Harris... or did I accidentally visit mumsnet?
The buck stops with the human at the wheel, if a car has 140 or 1400bhp the meat pushing the throttle determines how much and how quickly it is applied, you can off yourself on a pushbike with 1/4bhp more easily than a family hatchback by being a plonker.
I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that. But the claim that he's not glamorising such behaviour, and that anyway he only does it on closed race tracks, is clearly nonsense! The buck stops with the human at the wheel, if a car has 140 or 1400bhp the meat pushing the throttle determines how much and how quickly it is applied, you can off yourself on a pushbike with 1/4bhp more easily than a family hatchback by being a plonker.
Absolutely agree with Chris there. Unfortunately, and mostly sadly, the fatality involves a well loved and famous actor. If it were me who was the passenger in the car, it would have been a completely different story and might not even surface on the net.
This whole story is stirred up because people need to vent their sorrow and sadness. We should just be considerate and let them do so and stop arguing about rather hypercar is safe or not, because I believe everything will be business as usual once they have recovered from their negative feelings and emotions.
This is just my opinion.
This whole story is stirred up because people need to vent their sorrow and sadness. We should just be considerate and let them do so and stop arguing about rather hypercar is safe or not, because I believe everything will be business as usual once they have recovered from their negative feelings and emotions.
This is just my opinion.
birdcage said:
This era in which we live will be labelled the hysterical one.
No events can happen it seems without crying or knashing of teeth.
This way this particular incident is being reported is symptomatic of people's modern behaviour, more often than not fuelled by the media to its own end. Especially with 24 hour news available through so many channels.
The incident is a mere bagatelle in the context of what happens in the wider world each day and who actually cares about it can actually probably be measured by very few people shouting very loudly.
Yesterday's chip paper soon and we can find somthing else to be perplexed by that required very little explanation.
Very true^^No events can happen it seems without crying or knashing of teeth.
This way this particular incident is being reported is symptomatic of people's modern behaviour, more often than not fuelled by the media to its own end. Especially with 24 hour news available through so many channels.
The incident is a mere bagatelle in the context of what happens in the wider world each day and who actually cares about it can actually probably be measured by very few people shouting very loudly.
Yesterday's chip paper soon and we can find somthing else to be perplexed by that required very little explanation.
And it's worth noting that we have a Legal status for this kind of thing. It applies in this case, like it does if you kill yourself falling off a horse for example, or even suffer the ignominity of accidental auto defenestration. It's called "Death by misadventure".
birdcage said:
This era in which we live will be labelled the hysterical one.
No events can happen it seems without crying or knashing of teeth.
This way this particular incident is being reported is symptomatic of people's modern behaviour, more often than not fuelled by the media to its own end. Especially with 24 hour news available through so many channels.
The incident is a mere bagatelle in the context of what happens in the wider world each day and who actually cares about it can actually probably be measured by very few people shouting very loudly.
Yesterday's chip paper soon and we can find somthing else to be perplexed by that requires very little explanation.
Brilliant post! No events can happen it seems without crying or knashing of teeth.
This way this particular incident is being reported is symptomatic of people's modern behaviour, more often than not fuelled by the media to its own end. Especially with 24 hour news available through so many channels.
The incident is a mere bagatelle in the context of what happens in the wider world each day and who actually cares about it can actually probably be measured by very few people shouting very loudly.
Yesterday's chip paper soon and we can find somthing else to be perplexed by that requires very little explanation.
Edited by birdcage on Thursday 5th December 17:55
It is so true....I cannot believe the coverage of the Nigella Lawson case where they are dissecting the fact that she took coke....a rich celebrity living it up...wow, who'd of thought??? This is what made our rock stars great!
deltashad said:
I have to say this is totally acceptable. I have driver controls on my company car (VDO) which I get a beep when I drive too fast, when I break too hard, when I accelerate too hard.
I still have plenty of fun, it's made me much more aware. I can still wing around hair pin bends etc with the bum out of joint. But, I have the knowledge that the Satalite tracking watches me and I have to be a good boy. (I can still scare my passengers).
That is a company car scheme I would opt out of. I still have plenty of fun, it's made me much more aware. I can still wing around hair pin bends etc with the bum out of joint. But, I have the knowledge that the Satalite tracking watches me and I have to be a good boy. (I can still scare my passengers).
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