German vs. Japanese?
Discussion
KTF said:
Korean > Japanese > German
The Germans still have the branding and snob value but the Koreans have the reliability of the Japanese without the dullness.
The Koreans do seem to charge German prices for their servicing though...
With Peter Schreayer (ex Audi) as head of design for Kia, it looks as if the Koreans are starting to find that compromise between reliability (7 year warranty), quality attractive looking interiors and acceptable design. Driving dynamics are probably not first rate yet, but at the rate they are progressing ze germans better get their act together.The Germans still have the branding and snob value but the Koreans have the reliability of the Japanese without the dullness.
The Koreans do seem to charge German prices for their servicing though...
Leins said:
The collective of great German cars ever made does more for me than that of any other country - Italy, and definitely Japan, included
Would I prefer a 218d to an Auris Hybrid? That's very close to the top on my "What was the question again?" scale
Not so sure, I think Italy and Britain are both more than capable of seeing off the Germans when it comes to building desirable cars. Four failed cylinder heads on my VW due to design faults makes me question the reliability being any better too but it was durable.Would I prefer a 218d to an Auris Hybrid? That's very close to the top on my "What was the question again?" scale
Alfasud v. Golf MK1
Maserati Quattroporte v. S Class
Jaguar XJ v. A8
Mini v. Polo
Range Rover v. Q7
CDP said:
Leins said:
The collective of great German cars ever made does more for me than that of any other country - Italy, and definitely Japan, included
Would I prefer a 218d to an Auris Hybrid? That's very close to the top on my "What was the question again?" scale
Not so sure, I think Italy and Britain are both more than capable of seeing off the Germans when it comes to building desirable cars. Four failed cylinder heads on my VW due to design faults makes me question the reliability being any better too but it was durable.Would I prefer a 218d to an Auris Hybrid? That's very close to the top on my "What was the question again?" scale
Alfasud v. Golf MK1
Maserati Quattroporte v. S Class
Jaguar XJ v. A8
Mini v. Polo
Range Rover v. Q7
I'm thinking more about 300SL "Gullwings", Ruf CTRs, 959, Alpina B10 BiTurbos, etc. Very subjective of course, but then this thread asks for a personal opinion
CDP said:
Not so sure, I think Italy and Britain are both more than capable of seeing off the Germans when it comes to building desirable cars. Four failed cylinder heads on my VW due to design faults makes me question the reliability being any better too but it was durable.
Alfasud v. Golf MK1
Maserati Quattroporte v. S Class
Jaguar XJ v. A8
Mini v. Polo
Range Rover v. Q7
Trust me, the British are pants at making cars.Alfasud v. Golf MK1
Maserati Quattroporte v. S Class
Jaguar XJ v. A8
Mini v. Polo
Range Rover v. Q7
Beautiful designs but the engineering? God awful.
Jap favoured by my past garage, last series of German/Jap cars:
Nissan Sunny GTI - Very underrated, capable
Nissan Primera GTI - Warm Repmobile
VW bora V6, 4motion - Absolute sh*te
Mazda 6 mps - Actually very good, no issues
Evo X - rattly trim but who cares
Nissan GTR - still excellent
Wifee:
Mazda MX5 - budget sports, actually ok
Pork CaymanS - Excellent can't be talked about in the same league
Lads:
Seat Ibiza FR TDI - Actually very good
Golf mk7 R - very impressed currently
Pork Cayman R - still excellent
Had some interim frog, ital and "brit" which were actually ok for day to day
Never owned an Audi or Bimmer - Would only be tempted by M4,5 or RS6 versions otherwise I seem to demonstrably have an aversion to them; too bland/generic/stereotypical?
Nissan Sunny GTI - Very underrated, capable
Nissan Primera GTI - Warm Repmobile
VW bora V6, 4motion - Absolute sh*te
Mazda 6 mps - Actually very good, no issues
Evo X - rattly trim but who cares
Nissan GTR - still excellent
Wifee:
Mazda MX5 - budget sports, actually ok
Pork CaymanS - Excellent can't be talked about in the same league
Lads:
Seat Ibiza FR TDI - Actually very good
Golf mk7 R - very impressed currently
Pork Cayman R - still excellent
Had some interim frog, ital and "brit" which were actually ok for day to day
Never owned an Audi or Bimmer - Would only be tempted by M4,5 or RS6 versions otherwise I seem to demonstrably have an aversion to them; too bland/generic/stereotypical?
German reliability seems to have improved over the past couple of years. Having said that, I've had 9 from new in the past 20 years and only 2 have broken down (M3 and RS6).
I'd buy a Jap Evo if the build quality was good enough, but sadly, it doesn't come close, plus they don't do places for dogs!
I'd buy a Jap Evo if the build quality was good enough, but sadly, it doesn't come close, plus they don't do places for dogs!
Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 2nd October 12:54
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