RE: New Land Rover Discovery teaser
Discussion
wormus said:
Agreed, I love the Tonka Toy looks of the D4 and the fact it's essentially a large box on wheels makes it really practical. Last proper Landie has succumbed to Cheshire syndrome.
The Disco started down that road somewhen around the Series II. The Disco3 was thoroughly there.legless said:
This? It could be anything. No visible cues to previous Discovery models, horrible over-styled features, and follows the 'different sizes of Evoque' design language. Criminally, it seems to have lost the clear functionally-led design philosophy.
No thanks from me, but they'll sell by the bucketload.
I'm completely with you on this; I'd like to say it's criminal and a damn shame what they're doing (in general) to Land/Range Rover; however, as the market is proving me quite obviously wrong I just have to suck-it-up.No thanks from me, but they'll sell by the bucketload.
Not for me either, but I do wish them continuing success. Thankfully, for my needs, there are credible alternatives.
It looks like very other RR/LR product - and as such, it will likely date very, very quickly. The Evoque looks old hat now, and the RR Sport looks, IMO, like a chintzy has-been. the new Disco sport is no better. LR do seem to be brilliant at designing cars that date very quickly (in terms of looks).
I've also heard way too many stories from mates of God-awful reliability on 63/64 plate Discos and RR Sports to ever consider one were I to move back towards an SUV. I would be looking at the Volvo instead - which is a far more elegant (in and out) solution I feel.
I've also heard way too many stories from mates of God-awful reliability on 63/64 plate Discos and RR Sports to ever consider one were I to move back towards an SUV. I would be looking at the Volvo instead - which is a far more elegant (in and out) solution I feel.
jhonn said:
legless said:
This? It could be anything. No visible cues to previous Discovery models, horrible over-styled features, and follows the 'different sizes of Evoque' design language. Criminally, it seems to have lost the clear functionally-led design philosophy.
No thanks from me, but they'll sell by the bucketload.
I'm completely with you on this; I'd like to say it's criminal and a damn shame what they're doing (in general) to Land/Range Rover; however, as the market is proving me quite obviously wrong I just have to suck-it-up.No thanks from me, but they'll sell by the bucketload.
Not for me either, but I do wish them continuing success. Thankfully, for my needs, there are credible alternatives.
they sell and create jobs , however I do wonder how important the workhorse tough 4x4 image created by the Defender is when they are marketing the land rover brand to the aspirational scaffolders wife or plastic country folk??
had ham said:
It looks like very other RR/LR product - and as such, it will likely date very, very quickly. LR do seem to be brilliant at designing cars that date very quickly (in terms of looks).
I don't disagree with the first comment above as I do think the current design styling is a bit too trendy and very similar to a lot of other 4x4 style cars on the market. They'll all start to look dated together. But it's certainly no worse than most other manufacturers.However, I disagree that LR are great at making cars that date quickly. I think the D3/4 is a bit of a design classic and is unique enough to not look dated as such. I don't think it's ever really looked like it was following the trends of the time! Same with the Defender. I'll concede that the old Range Rover now looks rather dated against the new one. However I think Land Rover are particularly good at face-lifting and extending the life of an old vehicle!
Anyway, personally I think the new D5 completely lacks any of the design cues of the previous Discoveries and for me I'd like to have seen an evolution of the D4 styling rather than a clone of the entire current lineup. I've just bought a new-ish D4 so won't be looking at changing for a good few years anyway, although I suspect a D5 will be top of the list.
Car looks nice, I like the innovation as I've had to adjust the seats in 7 seaters before to various configurations and barely escaped with my fingers in tact. But not in a million years would I engage that bloke to promote it. There is a myriad of people they could have used with more credibility than that.
I've been thinking of when my disenchantment with Land Rovers design direction began; I can remember seeing my first 90'' (1985), marvelling at the coil springs and knowing that one day I would own one. Similarly with the Discovery when it was first issued in 1989 - each iteration up to the series 4 seemed to be an improvement over the previous. I saw the L322 as the pinnacle of RR development and it's still on my bucket list to own one day.
Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is that ever since I can remember I viewed the range of Land Rover products as highly desirable; sure they were flawed but you knew that they were more about function than design. In my opinion, the range nowadays are designed with the emphasis on appearance and perception, and the functionality is less relevant.
They're pretty much dead to me now (though I'm still holding a candle for the Defender replacement
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Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is that ever since I can remember I viewed the range of Land Rover products as highly desirable; sure they were flawed but you knew that they were more about function than design. In my opinion, the range nowadays are designed with the emphasis on appearance and perception, and the functionality is less relevant.
They're pretty much dead to me now (though I'm still holding a candle for the Defender replacement
) Crumpet said:
Anyway, personally I think the new D5 completely lacks any of the design cues of the previous Discoveries and for me I'd like to have seen an evolution of the D4 styling rather than a clone of the entire current lineup. I've just bought a new-ish D4 so won't be looking at changing for a good few years anyway, although I suspect a D5 will be top of the list.
Agree with this. For me it's a shame they have made it look like an Evoque, with no progression from the existing Disco.Crumpet said:
Anyway, personally I think the new D5 completely lacks any of the design cues of the previous Discoveries and for me I'd like to have seen an evolution of the D4 styling rather than a clone of the entire current lineup. I've just bought a new-ish D4 so won't be looking at changing for a good few years anyway, although I suspect a D5 will be top of the list.
Have you seen any of rear shots? The number plate is set to one side and there is a slight step in the roof. In fact I'd go as far as to say its a very similar step to the D3/4, which makes the step look bigger by taking the rear 3/4 glass right up to the roof line.I'm all for this app that folds the seats. The seat folding mech on the D3 can need a help hand if the pull strap stretches over time. If they could also build in a drop down dog guard also controlled by the App that would be brilliant. What we don't know is if this will be a feature on the standard cars and not HSE Lux or similar.
Looking into the future, the seats will be hardly used and when you press the switch the seats will be stuck solid
TooMany2cvs said:
jhonn said:
I've been thinking of when my disenchantment with Land Rovers design direction began; I can remember seeing my first 90'' (1985), marvelling at the coil springs and knowing that...
...was the point it had all gone stupidly wrong.
. Well, that is if you're talking about them upgrading to coil springs - I always thought that was a positive thing and hugely beneficial to ride quality both on and off-road. If you mean in more general terms, I think there were a still a number of years (decades) when they were more about function than form.
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