6 People Hit by 458 Scud This Morning in Battersea
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That Daily mail article really is a load of tripe.
Not something I read but was inquisitive after seeing numerous links.
One who was thrown 50ft off a bridge
The 2015 Ferrari 458 may have been racing a Range Rover
I didn't see what happened as I'd got to work about ten minutes after it happened
What a load of s
te. Much like the posters putting up random bks without actually having any verified information whatsoever.
The only useful thing is the video showing the test runs. There is a left kink in the road and though the test driving is unspectacular I imagine if you gave a little too much throttle you could easily lose traction in that location.
Not something I read but was inquisitive after seeing numerous links.
One who was thrown 50ft off a bridge
The 2015 Ferrari 458 may have been racing a Range Rover
I didn't see what happened as I'd got to work about ten minutes after it happened
What a load of s
te. Much like the posters putting up random bks without actually having any verified information whatsoever.The only useful thing is the video showing the test runs. There is a left kink in the road and though the test driving is unspectacular I imagine if you gave a little too much throttle you could easily lose traction in that location.
Edited by Rick101 on Monday 12th December 18:19
jayemm89 said:
A Speciale will certainly be available (probably by default) with super-sticky dry tyres, not designed at all for winter. In fairness, any car with lots of power and large tyres can become very scary, very quickly.
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Btw the Speciale has same standard fit Michelin Pilot 2 cup tyres as 991 GT3.
Eminantly usable through the winter and max performance, assuming warmed up, down to 7degrees. Which it easily was, and more, today.
TooMany2cvs said:
I'd be obliged if you'd be so kind as to explain the circumstances in which a competent and careful driver in a 30mph limit can lose control of a car - any car - so comprehensively as to skittle half a dozen pedestrians - including sending at least one clear over a set of railings...
The Police, who've had a rather better look at the scene than either you or I, seem to have thought it appropriate to arrest the driver for dangerous driving. Some of the media are quoting witnesses as saying that the Ferrari driver was "racing" a Range Rover - let's wait and see on that one.
Someone ran in front of him and he had to swerve? Unexpected diesel on the road? He could have passed out? I don't think it's automatic that it's a stick on conviction for dangerous driving.The Police, who've had a rather better look at the scene than either you or I, seem to have thought it appropriate to arrest the driver for dangerous driving. Some of the media are quoting witnesses as saying that the Ferrari driver was "racing" a Range Rover - let's wait and see on that one.
That been said, given the type of car most will jump to assumptions...they'd probably be right but there could well have been external circumstances that caused the accident.
Binning a supercar is tabloid gold, they love to rub the owners nose in it, the subtext is "Look at this wealthy show off, haha he crashed it, the penis", people seem to love seeing this, extra points if the driver is not white British.
That said, supercars arent really compatiable with city centres, well, not if you intend to use any of the performance.
Are they very twitchy ? I had a 458 owner boot it to show me how much faster it was than my 350Z on the Wilmslow bypass, came off the roundabout and accelerated which is dicey in the wet as there is a bit of a hump in the road that unloads the drive wheels which is bad if you are booting it, anyway, it twitched and was about 4 inches away from a big Stratstones invoice
he slowed down then, is the ESP stuff not upto containing all that mid engined performance ? surely nobody turns it off in the wet ?
That said, supercars arent really compatiable with city centres, well, not if you intend to use any of the performance.
Are they very twitchy ? I had a 458 owner boot it to show me how much faster it was than my 350Z on the Wilmslow bypass, came off the roundabout and accelerated which is dicey in the wet as there is a bit of a hump in the road that unloads the drive wheels which is bad if you are booting it, anyway, it twitched and was about 4 inches away from a big Stratstones invoice
he slowed down then, is the ESP stuff not upto containing all that mid engined performance ? surely nobody turns it off in the wet ?clarkey said:
I'm sure Occam's Razor applies here and there was no swerving to avoid another car or diesel on the road, or medical condition.
Indeed, as in the vast majority of these cases. Although we should also consider the recent phenomenon highlighted by Stanford - Evaluating Information: The Cornerstone of Civic Online Reasoning.
i.e. there are a lot of thickos out there believing anything they read on news sites and social media.
So I suppose we need to keep an open mind, if possible.
Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Monday 12th December 19:20
Unless he had it in the full nanny mode, which most people never do, the ESC on these cars usually allows "some" slip.
I've managed to do a complete 180 degree spin in my Lotus with all of the traction control fully on. It was on a runway and was only at walking speed - but I did make a mental note that on the road I shouldn't rely on it, not that you ever should. I've had some cars with TC that's just needlessly aggressive.
I've managed to do a complete 180 degree spin in my Lotus with all of the traction control fully on. It was on a runway and was only at walking speed - but I did make a mental note that on the road I shouldn't rely on it, not that you ever should. I've had some cars with TC that's just needlessly aggressive.
jayemm89 said:
I've managed to do a complete 180 degree spin in my Lotus with all of the traction control fully on. It was on a runway and was only at walking speed
How fast can you walk, exactly?Did you hit a patch of diesel?
Come on, this is bordering on nonsense, unless there's a lot more to it than you've shared with us up to now.
R8Steve said:
clarkey said:
I'm sure Occam's Razor applies here and there was no swerving to avoid another car or diesel on the road, or medical condition.
Most likely the case but would everyone think the same if it wasn't a Ferrari?The type of car and demographic of driver may increase the likelihood of it being a medical condition, though - 80yo in an Automatic Honda Jazz vs 35yo in Ferrari 458 Speciale...
FurtiveFreddy said:
How fast can you walk, exactly?
Did you hit a patch of diesel?
Come on, this is bordering on nonsense, unless there's a lot more to it than you've shared with us up to now.
I'll explain it a bit better. It was doing a track-day, I went the wrong way to get to the circuit as I didn't know the layout. Wound up down a dead end. It was cold and wet. There was a lot of room around the car and no "traffic". So rather than perform a three point turn I booted the throttle from almost stationary and the car did a full 180, pivoting around the front wheels, despite the fact the traction control was still fully on. I was curious to see if it would even let me. It didn't even try and intervene.Did you hit a patch of diesel?
Come on, this is bordering on nonsense, unless there's a lot more to it than you've shared with us up to now.
The point I am trying to make was simply that the traction control may have been active on the car but in certain cars, particularly sporty ones, they can allow a reasonable amount of spin before intervening.
To my knowledge the surface was not pre-coated with any sort of diesel, vasoline or sheet ice.
FurtiveFreddy said:
How fast can you walk, exactly?
Did you hit a patch of diesel?
Come on, this is bordering on nonsense, unless there's a lot more to it than you've shared with us up to now.
I've very nearly done a 180 on a damp roundabout just after getting my Evora S... With the stability control on. I think some cars are set up to allow quite a bit of slip in the dry, the Evora does, which means when everything is against you (wet, camber, road surface) and it all happens quickly, it's possible. Some cars don't do it as the controls cut in much earlier (my old 911, M3s, F-Type I've used for a few weeks).Did you hit a patch of diesel?
Come on, this is bordering on nonsense, unless there's a lot more to it than you've shared with us up to now.
I've also had a 'moment' in a Ferrari California on a damp bend. With all the aids on, but the rate of increase in engine revs and the way the rear wheels seemed reluctant to calm down and grip again (felt like momentum built very quickly and took forever to bring back) really was a surprise.
None of this absolves the driver of blame. All of these cars demand respect and there are some where you really shouldn't be leaning on the driver aids the way you can in some cars. I guess middle of the city is not the place to be experimenting or learning (assuming that's how this accident happened - hopefully not).
jayemm89 said:
Unless he had it in the full nanny mode, which most people never do, the ESC on these cars usually allows "some" slip.
perhaps he had the same plastic tyres corvettes come with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxXEJRcey08&fe...
How utterly bizarre. I am ostensibly helping with packing this week, as we completed on a house last Friday. My girlfriend asked me to take our son for a walk because he requires too much attention when we are trying to pack, thus I found myself taking my son out for a walk (requiring the Overground). On the way back home, I was stood next to a guy on the Overground to Stratford, who was having a conversation on his mobile, discussing a story on the BBC website about a traffic incident involving a Range Rover.
Why is this pertinent? It transpires that he is friends with the driver of the Range Rover (who has a 4 letter name), and was discussing the incident with the person on the other end of the call. He mentioned that the Ranger Rover was cordoned off by the Police, and that his friend [4 letter name] was stood inside the cordon with a very worried expression. He speculated that it wouldn't surprise him if his friend had tried to race someone at the lights and made a driving error.
Why is this pertinent? It transpires that he is friends with the driver of the Range Rover (who has a 4 letter name), and was discussing the incident with the person on the other end of the call. He mentioned that the Ranger Rover was cordoned off by the Police, and that his friend [4 letter name] was stood inside the cordon with a very worried expression. He speculated that it wouldn't surprise him if his friend had tried to race someone at the lights and made a driving error.
putonghua73 said:
How utterly bizarre. I am ostensibly helping with packing this week, as we completed on a house last Friday. My girlfriend asked me to take our son for a walk because he requires too much attention when we are trying to pack, thus I found myself taking my son out for a walk (requiring the Overground). On the way back home, I was stood next to a guy on the Overground to Stratford, who was having a conversation on his mobile, discussing a story on the BBC website about a traffic incident involving a Range Rover.
Why is this pertinent? It transpires that he is friends with the driver of the Range Rover (who has a 4 letter name), and was discussing the incident with the person on the other end of the call. He mentioned that the Ranger Rover was cordoned off by the Police, and that his friend [4 letter name] was stood inside the cordon with a very worried expression. He speculated that it wouldn't surprise him if his friend had tried to race someone at the lights and made a driving error.
Why mention the number of letters in the surname? Is the driver a celebrity? Not that it would help with their identity.Why is this pertinent? It transpires that he is friends with the driver of the Range Rover (who has a 4 letter name), and was discussing the incident with the person on the other end of the call. He mentioned that the Ranger Rover was cordoned off by the Police, and that his friend [4 letter name] was stood inside the cordon with a very worried expression. He speculated that it wouldn't surprise him if his friend had tried to race someone at the lights and made a driving error.
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