RE: Ferrari 812 Superfast - official

[matrignano]

LA458SP said:

Normal production replacement for F12.

Is it really?

If that's true, must say I'm impressed and it's pretty commendable that all 4 recent facelifts Ferrari have done have been proper, in-depth updates both to the styling and the tech aspects.

Cali -> Cali T
458 -> 488
FF -> GTC4
f12 -> 812

I particularly like the new rear-end design language particularly in the 2 latest facelifts.

[daytona111r]

Too fussy

Interior looks tacky

Still massive want tho. 800hp !!

[LA458SP]

matrignano said:

LA458SP said:

Normal production replacement for F12.

Is it really?

If that's true, must say I'm impressed and it's pretty commendable that all 4 recent facelifts Ferrari have done have been proper, in-depth updates both to the styling and the tech aspects.

Cali -> Cali T
458 -> 488
FF -> GTC4
f12 -> 812

I particularly like the new rear-end design language particularly in the 2 latest facelifts.

Even more impressive given the Cali and 458 replacements went turbo and reduced engine size but this maintains the na engine and increases cc to 6.5l - really does go against the trend

[IMI A]

I think the main issue here is that will the car really have 800bhp. I've drag raced F12 and 458 Italia and Speciale many times at VMAX in a manual 9e tuned 650 bhp 997 turbo and they have never had the legs on me which I find very odd certainly for Speciale and F12. If you speak to Iain Litchfield he's never come across a 458 Italia make more than 500bhp at the crank on his mama dyno which is very accurate. Very tempting if its the real deal but disappointing they have felt the need to switch to EPAS.

[405dogvan]

E65Ross said:

Ali_T said:

Nice Corvette.

the irony of you saying Ferrari have copied something, and yet you post something someone has already said

and given that the current Corvette cribs from a LOAD of other cars - in fact almost everything except other Corvettes - is quite funny

[405dogvan]

IMI A said:

I think the main issue here is that will the car really have 800bhp. I've drag raced F12 and 458 Italia and Speciale many times at VMAX in a manual 9e tuned 650 bhp 997 turbo and they have never had the legs on me which I find very odd certainly for Speciale and F12. If you speak to Iain Litchfield he's never come across a 458 Italia make more than 500bhp at the crank on his mama dyno which is very accurate. Very tempting if its the real deal but disappointing they have felt the need to switch to EPAS.

I have yet to see anyone get out of an F12 and not be absolutely gobsmacked - it's the car Clarkson said had "too much power" and the TDF is the car which Harris said "made the argument about manual vs paddles irrelevant because you could not keep-up with a manual"

Whatever the numbers may be - I don't think there are many disappointed owners or even drivers of the things and it's all old-fashioned NA noise...

That 1 lap in which Harris destroyed an entire set of rears suggests to me that the car has sufficient thrust whatever numbers someone may get from it - there are, of course, people who will boost that if you feel the need, although Ferrari seem to be doing that at a rate-of-knots

Woebetide people selling the old ones ofc...

[jason61c]

Just how strong are Ferrari horses? As in on dyno's as an average do they make the claimed power?

[IMI A]

405dogvan said:

IMI A said:

I think the main issue here is that will the car really have 800bhp. I've drag raced F12 and 458 Italia and Speciale many times at VMAX in a manual 9e tuned 650 bhp 997 turbo and they have never had the legs on me which I find very odd certainly for Speciale and F12. If you speak to Iain Litchfield he's never come across a 458 Italia make more than 500bhp at the crank on his mama dyno which is very accurate. Very tempting if its the real deal but disappointing they have felt the need to switch to EPAS.

I have yet to see anyone get out of an F12 and not be absolutely gobsmacked - it's the car Clarkson said had "too much power" and the TDF is the car which Harris said "made the argument about manual vs paddles irrelevant because you could not keep-up with a manual"

Whatever the numbers may be - I don't think there are many disappointed owners or even drivers of the things and it's all old-fashioned NA noise...

That 1 lap in which Harris destroyed an entire set of rears suggests to me that the car has sufficient thrust whatever numbers someone may get from it - there are, of course, people who will boost that if you feel the need, although Ferrari seem to be doing that at a rate-of-knots

Woebetide people selling the old ones ofc...

I agree they sound fabulous - what a car - but I'd be miffed if they don't make the power quoted. Perhaps its only an issue with the Italia who knows. I'd be happy with a 458 or F12!

[swisstoni]

Not many recent Fezzers that have looked great from every angle IMHO but this one seems to.

[PurpleAki]

I want that engine and gearbox in an Aventador body.

[ajprice]

Looks like there's a lot of aero stuff going on, more than the F12. The bonnet inlets to the outlets behind the front wheels to move air to the side of the car are still there, and probably doing more. This has got something going on with inlets and outlets from below the side window to above and behind the rear wheel too. I can't tell what that would do, unless it's an air spoiler like the DB11.

[kambites]

JBUK said:

Somewhere in the £1.5 - 2m region I would suspect.

I'd have guessed at least twice that.

[HardMiles]

Ectoplasm everywhere. The 500 super fast is my favourite car, this is the first modern car I'm actually in love with. Ohhhhhhhhhhh

[torchy6]

That is some statement, I thought the Lusso would be the last naturally aspirated word but no - thank you Ferrari - that is awesome!

[MDL111]

IMI A said:

405dogvan said:

IMI A said:

I think the main issue here is that will the car really have 800bhp. I've drag raced F12 and 458 Italia and Speciale many times at VMAX in a manual 9e tuned 650 bhp 997 turbo and they have never had the legs on me which I find very odd certainly for Speciale and F12. If you speak to Iain Litchfield he's never come across a 458 Italia make more than 500bhp at the crank on his mama dyno which is very accurate. Very tempting if its the real deal but disappointing they have felt the need to switch to EPAS.

I have yet to see anyone get out of an F12 and not be absolutely gobsmacked - it's the car Clarkson said had "too much power" and the TDF is the car which Harris said "made the argument about manual vs paddles irrelevant because you could not keep-up with a manual"

Whatever the numbers may be - I don't think there are many disappointed owners or even drivers of the things and it's all old-fashioned NA noise...

That 1 lap in which Harris destroyed an entire set of rears suggests to me that the car has sufficient thrust whatever numbers someone may get from it - there are, of course, people who will boost that if you feel the need, although Ferrari seem to be doing that at a rate-of-knots

Woebetide people selling the old ones ofc...

I agree they sound fabulous - what a car - but I'd be miffed if they don't make the power quoted. Perhaps its only an issue with the Italia who knows. I'd be happy with a 458 or F12!

I haven't heard anything that the V12 cars don't make the power - older V8a definitely - but even the 550 Maranello in Evo long term test made the quoted power I believe - and that car was built in the 90s when Ferrari was much more creative with their figures

[toasty]

Too big, too fast, too expensive.

Another Dino is required.

Small, quick, on the cusp of being affordable and, of course, achingly beautiful.

[RBH58]

Agree toasty ^^^^^

It's nowhere near as pretty as the F12.

And the F12 was more than fast enough. Surely?

It was probably the only car I ever heard Jeremy Clarkson say could use a bit less power!

Edited by RBH58 on Thursday 16th February 19:31

[PurpleAki]

Without the mid engined weight distribution/traction advantage, I think 800bhp without 4 wheel drive is bloody mad.

[Supersaloons]

405dogvan said:

I have yet to see anyone get out of an F12 and not be absolutely gobsmacked - it's the car Clarkson said had "too much power" and the TDF is the car which Harris said "made the argument about manual vs paddles irrelevant because you could not keep-up with a manual"

Whatever the numbers may be - I don't think there are many disappointed owners or even drivers of the things and it's all old-fashioned NA noise...

That 1 lap in which Harris destroyed an entire set of rears suggests to me that the car has sufficient thrust whatever numbers someone may get from it - there are, of course, people who will boost that if you feel the need, although Ferrari seem to be doing that at a rate-of-knots

Woebetide people selling the old ones ofc...

Doesn't get me excited at all. Getting tired of these cars. Very ugly. And why? Because of 'aerodynamics'? Why need so much aerodynamics? And why even more power then an F12? It will probably also sound very artificial. Please Ferrari, spent the money on a nice elegant design for exterior AND interior (don't they all look like plastic nintendo's on the inside?) and some weightsavings. And this comes from someone who drives a 997 turbo daily and a 550 Maranello in the weekends (the last true manual frontengined V12 Ferrari imho)....

[Ralphthemouth]

""Variable geometry intake ducts and new 350bar fuel injection are partly to thank for these outputs""

My 2002 1.9 diesel Audi injects at 2000bar! How come it won't do 200mph? ??

Edited by Ralphthemouth on Thursday 16th February 20:50