RE: Shed Of The Week: Citroen Saxo VTR

[Buff Mchugelarge]

Saxo VTR absolutely.
That particular Saxo VTR.. not with yours thank you.

[V10Ace]

May buy a saxo just to Barry the hell out of it, looks fun and would love to see people's faces if I can get 5 more friends to jump in on my toy car bandwagon.

Hot wheels replicas, here we come...

[skippy68]

other than those awful looking alloys id have that. I only ever had a lowly poverty spec saxo but it was good fun car and handled so well

[lord trumpton]

Hated these hen they were current and nothing had changed. Woefully cheap tat

[carl_w]

lord trumpton said:

Hated these hen they were current and nothing had changed. Woefully cheap tat

935kg and a wheel at each corner, WNTL? Much of the interior is cardboard or foam, but that contributes to the low weight.

[lord trumpton]

carl_w said:

lord trumpton said:

Hated these hen they were current and nothing had changed. Woefully cheap tat

935kg and a wheel at each corner, WNTL? Much of the interior is cardboard or foam, but that contributes to the low weight.

They are just st. Everything about them is st.

[carl_w]

lord trumpton said:

They are just st. Everything about them is st.

I've campaigned a VTS for the last 5 years in the AEMC, ASEMC and ACSMC sprint championships. What else would you suggest that is better in the "up to 1600cc" category?

[njw1]

Everytime a Saxo pops up on SOTW I repeat this story and the story is that quite a few years ago I was reversing up my mothers street in my mk3 Granada unable to see jack sh*t because it was dark and the windows were misted up, there was then a rather large crunch and I got out to see the rear quarter on my then neighbour's Saxo so f*cked up it had to go to the bodyshop for a few days to be mended with the total damage to the Granada being mended within ten minutes with a bottle of T-Cut.

[rallycross]

VTR is what most people drive in 750 motor club hot hatch/stock hatch 1600cc class.
This video shows what a well driven 8v saxo can do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63T2bKKQSto

[lord trumpton]

carl_w said:

lord trumpton said:

They are just st. Everything about them is st.

I've campaigned a VTS for the last 5 years in the AEMC, ASEMC and ACSMC sprint championships. What else would you suggest that is better in the "up to 1600cc" category?

Not sure really. Sounds like you are the man the answer that one

[ToothbrushMan]

0-60 in about 8 seconds? the VTS was about 7.2 or (7.7 to 62) cant remember but had another 30hp. The VTR might only weigh 900kg but that seems very optimistic. around 9.3s rings a better bet

[Krikkit]

Kitchski said:

white_goodman said:

Not in the PH classifieds but for 50 quid more, this one looks way nicer and more standard.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Weren't these more like 98/100bhp?

Bloody hell, that's a much better one!

98bhp from 2001 onwards. Head had slightly bigger valves, couple of minor tweaks etc. Not far off S2 Rallye setup, and they do feel a bit pokier than the 90bhp ones.

Legend has it that some VTRs have the sports gearset fitted too (ratios used in Rallyes, VTS, AX GT etc), but strangely nobody knows which models got it

Chances are they don't - but someone might have replaced the original box with one from a VTS/106 GTI as they're much better ratios.

[SkrrSkrr]

First car was a VTR loved it to pieces. It even survived a minor crash into a bush from around 50mph, tracking was off and had a chunk out of alloy from hitting the curb other than that it was fine(i think).

[Welshbeef]

I'm amazed that as new these were £9k with the vts £12k, roll on as per this example 14 years it's only lost £8k!!!

fk me I lost that much last year on my 535d.

[Kitchski]

Krikkit said:

Kitchski said:

white_goodman said:

Not in the PH classifieds but for 50 quid more, this one looks way nicer and more standard.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Weren't these more like 98/100bhp?

Bloody hell, that's a much better one!

98bhp from 2001 onwards. Head had slightly bigger valves, couple of minor tweaks etc. Not far off S2 Rallye setup, and they do feel a bit pokier than the 90bhp ones.

Legend has it that some VTRs have the sports gearset fitted too (ratios used in Rallyes, VTS, AX GT etc), but strangely nobody knows which models got it

Chances are they don't - but someone might have replaced the original box with one from a VTS/106 GTI as they're much better ratios.

They are, but the post I read on one of the 106 forums was written by a poster who was adamant that some VTRs came with proper gearing. I know I drove a 98bhp version once which seemed much more 106 Rallye S2 than Saxo VTR. It was only 6 months old or so too, so I doubt anyone had been playing with it.

In other news, this Saxo is clearly worse than the Escort last week, as there are no where near as many replies to the article. True, the Escort was being roasted throughout the thread, but still; Footfall wise, the Escort Encore is king

[Kitchski]

Nanook said:

0-60 and 0-62 times were funny, the VTR and VTS gearing was totally different, as were the rev limiters, and at least one of the 2 models required 3rd gear for 62mph, but not for 60 IIRC, so people would quote whichever figure suited them best at the time.

That was the VTS. It's the reason why Citroen came up with 7.2secs for the 0-60 dash, whereas Peugeot only managed 8.4secs in a 106 GTi - mechanically pretty much identical. Peugeot's logic was that it would reduce insurance groups, and it did - VTS was one group higher, despite not having the 'GTi' badge.

Sometimes they did it in reverse, like with the 306 GTi-6 and Xsara VTS.

[s m]

Welshbeef said:

I'm amazed that as new these were £9k with the vts £12k, roll on as per this example 14 years it's only lost £8k!!!

From experience, I bet hardly anyone paid full list price for a VTS. I had a new one back in 1999 and it worked out just over £10k. They offered a very generous trade-in on my old car ( double what it was really worth ) , a BIG discount and couldn't do enough to be helpful. Peugeot on the other hand......

Plus you got 2 years FREE insurance at my age as well which saved you a bit more cash.

Fantastic little car - went all over Europe in it.

In 4.5 years of ownership :-
Had a failed lambda sensor ( fixed under warranty )
Failed sideskirt clips ( fixed under warranty )
Dual oil gauge defective early on intermittently ( fixed under warranty )

Had a best of 43mpg back from South of France - showed the car at its best on the Alpine roads in France/Italy - hardly suprising really

Was first VTS to ever turn up at the dealer with the 15" twists - not what I ordered so a lad who had ordered a VTR and which arrived on the same transporter got a nice swap and I got his 14" soupbowls - everyone was happy

[w824gb3]

Had one of these in 1998. My only brand new car. A few weeks later my next door neighbour got one. Then a few weeks later woke up to find both cars on bricks. The vtr didn't have an alarm. The bstds levered the door locks, found the wheel nut key in the glove box had helped themselves. Another neighbour heard them an called the police. A pursuit ensued in which 8 saxo wheels were thrown at chasing police cars on the M61. They crashed and were caught.

[tommunster10]

njw1 said:

Everytime a Saxo pops up on SOTW I repeat this story and the story is that quite a few years ago I was reversing up my mothers street in my mk3 Granada unable to see jack sh*t because it was dark and the windows were misted up, there was then a rather large crunch and I got out to see the rear quarter on my then neighbour's Saxo so f*cked up it had to go to the bodyshop for a few days to be mended with the total damage to the Granada being mended within ten minutes with a bottle of T-Cut.

So the moral of the story is you are a crap driver who shouldn't be on the roads?