RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS - official

[Gandahar]

Prefer one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LKv44qENw

It's a manual and has 285's on the front and 100bhp more.

Also you can probably buy one.

Also rather than Porsche 911 GT Turbo RS on the tail, you can simply have

RTR

how cool is that... ?

Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 1st July 16:43

[patch5674]

Magic919 said:

You are missing the point. A person can spend more money there over a few years and get a GT car. It's not about the money paid for the GT model. It is a problem that money can solve as far as I can see.

I take your point completely. However I believe that you could subsequently apply that logic to any business. From a restaurant owner who is fully booked, to Rolex sellers who have x number of Daytona's to Sports/Super car dealers. You are inclined to give preferential treatment to frequent customers who are also potentially friends outside of the business scenario.

[AndrewD]

tjlees said:

I've just been on configurator and to be fair, it looks pretty cool in GT silver with carbon and matching stitching

I can understand restricting production numbers to make residuals strong, but limiting to 500 world wide means it just for flippers and collectors rather that real drivers.

Where did you hear 500? It is meant to be 1000

[wtdoom]

The car is not limited by number , it will be limited by capacity . Hoping to build 1500 that's 500 more than mclaren made of the lt ( including coupe and convertible) and Porsche still get the grief .

[Magic919]

The article on PH says 500. Not seen that anywhere else.

[wtdoom]

Magic919 said:

The article on PH says 500. Not seen that anywhere else.

Simple lazy reporting .

The 997 2rs was 500 , this one they are hoping to build 3 times as many

[Resolutionary]

Gandahar said:

Prefer one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LKv44qENw

It's a manual and has 285's on the front and 100bhp more.

Also you can probably buy one.

Also rather than Porsche 911 GT Turbo RS on the tail, you can simply have

RTR

how cool is that... ?

Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 1st July 16:43

Exactly what I was going to suggest. Not sure on the RRP though - is it comparable?

[flight147z]

I can't believe some of the things you have to option on a £207k 911...

Appreciate it is function over form but it's a shame it's stuck with a black bonnet

Not that I will ever be in a position to buy one!

[tjlees]

wtdoom said:

The car is not limited by number , it will be limited by capacity . Hoping to build 1500 that's 500 more than mclaren made of the lt ( including coupe and convertible) and Porsche still get the grief .

Ok, so is that like the turbo S, where it's the number of build slots available per year that restricts capacity ?

Not sure that's the case, since my friend put his letter of intent in plus offer of desposit for 991.2 GT3 well before it was announced and seen jack so far.

[RacerMike]

patch5674 said:

Magic919 said:

You are missing the point. A person can spend more money there over a few years and get a GT car. It's not about the money paid for the GT model. It is a problem that money can solve as far as I can see.

I take your point completely. However I believe that you could subsequently apply that logic to any business. From a restaurant owner who is fully booked, to Rolex sellers who have x number of Daytona's to Sports/Super car dealers. You are inclined to give preferential treatment to frequent customers who are also potentially friends outside of the business scenario.

Exactly this. And imagine, in that scenario, the expensive meal you get at the end can then be sold on after you’ve enjoyed it, for a price that more than recoups all the money you paid for the meals you bought to get there.

I like the Porsche system. It encourages people to build personal relationships with retailers. Something with is sadly missing in so much of modern life. It’s genuinely nice when it happens though. Like the favourite bar or cafe you go to, because you like and get on with the owner or staff. The pub you go to, where you have a bit of a laugh with the landlord and have the occasional lock in.

The rules are simple. Don’t be a c*** (unlike someone on Instagram who likes to stamp his feet every time a manufacturer doesn’t invite him to a launch or an allocation) and you’ll get your time eventually.

[wtdoom]

tjlees said:

Ok, so is that like the turbo S, where it's the number of build slots available per year that restricts capacity ?

Not sure that's the case, since my friend put his letter of intent in plus offer of desposit for 991.2 GT3 well before it was announced and seen jack so far.

Not quite so free but aiming for 1500 . Source is Stuttgart direct . Expect to suffer a little because of rhd , sorry have no information regarding 991.2 Gt3

[cho]

So going with the restaurant analogy, why don't they offer these cars to their valued customers, the ones that have developed a relationship, first and then to the open market after all these customers have been satisfied. A bit like restaurants inviting regular customers to an occasional free meal. That way they can be sure that throwing money around won't necessarily guarantee someone a car whereas someone who is 'nice' and has an ongoing business relationship with their dealer has a chance of continuing to be a loyal customer

[kars]

RDMcG said:

Waiting for someone to complain that its PDK only....

Walter Röhrl explains: "Gay-Transmission"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yshxG1KELm0

Edited by kars on Saturday 1st July 20:09

Edited by kars on Saturday 1st July 20:10

[Slippydiff]

WCZ said:

presumably this has traction control etc unlike the deathtrap 996 gt2

Internet myth, the 996 GT2 was/is not a deathtrap/widowmaker if driven with even a modicum of common sense.

[athol]

Yup. It's very sensitive to set up though and a badly set up one is jittery and difficult, this contributed to the reputation but can be easily resolved with a good specialist and regular fettling.

[patch5674]

cho said:

So going with the restaurant analogy, why don't they offer these cars to their valued customers, the ones that have developed a relationship, first and then to the open market after all these customers have been satisfied. A bit like restaurants inviting regular customers to an occasional free meal. That way they can be sure that throwing money around won't necessarily guarantee someone a car whereas someone who is 'nice' and has an ongoing business relationship with their dealer has a chance of continuing to be a loyal customer

But they are, they are offering them to their most valued customers first, the ones who have developed the relationship.

The problem arises as far as I can see because every man and his dog who's bought a boggo spec Carrera in the last 20 years,think they're their OPC's most valuable customer.

It has been well documented that the Cayenne allowed the 911 to flourish, but it still surprises me the number of people that think buying a single 911 is enough. The Cayenne and Macan with off the shelf VAG engines and platforms are what make Porsche and the OPC boatloads of money in margins.

The monetary part of the equation is buying these models alongside your optioned Carrera.

Then the relationships part comes into it.

[tjlees]

All cars that have large power to weight ratios, rear wheel drive, engine out the back, tires designed for dry race tracks and brakes allowing repeated heavy braking without fade are death traps ... to those used to their super car being ready from the get go with plenty of nanny devices.

With this type of car, like any thinly disguised race car I've driven, I suspect the tires, brakes, gearbox need to warmed through otherwise its a handful ... but ultimately rewarding.

[n17ves]

RacerMike said:

patch5674 said:

Magic919 said:

You are missing the point. A person can spend more money there over a few years and get a GT car. It's not about the money paid for the GT model. It is a problem that money can solve as far as I can see.

I take your point completely. However I believe that you could subsequently apply that logic to any business. From a restaurant owner who is fully booked, to Rolex sellers who have x number of Daytona's to Sports/Super car dealers. You are inclined to give preferential treatment to frequent customers who are also potentially friends outside of the business scenario.

Exactly this. And imagine, in that scenario, the expensive meal you get at the end can then be sold on after you’ve enjoyed it, for a price that more than recoups all the money you paid for the meals you bought to get there.

I like the Porsche system. It encourages people to build personal relationships with retailers. Something with is sadly missing in so much of modern life. It’s genuinely nice when it happens though. Like the favourite bar or cafe you go to, because you like and get on with the owner or staff. The pub you go to, where you have a bit of a laugh with the landlord and have the occasional lock in.

The rules are simple. Don’t be a c*** (unlike someone on Instagram who likes to stamp his feet every time a manufacturer doesn’t invite him to a launch or an allocation) and you’ll get your time eventually.

Naive.

All comes down to how much you left in the 'brown paper bag.'

[RacerMike]

n17ves said:

Naive.

All comes down to how much you left in the 'brown paper bag.'

Pure hyperbole or actually have some evidence of that? It’s not the case from what I’ve seen first hand. I’d be surprised if it was coincidence that the people I know that got allocations on limited run Porsche’s (911R, 918, GT3 RS) are all incredibly genuine and personable characters.....

[peterattheboro]

Was pretty disappointed that they hadn't unveiled this on Friday at Goodwood when I was there. Was still covered under the sheet.

The 997 GT2 RS is my ultimate dream car so would have loved to have had a nosey around the 991.