RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0: Review

[Ares]

culpz said:

HighwayStar said:

You know when a group of people are having conversation and then someone says something completely pointless...............


And the group carry on talking

I actually think he's got a point. If you want an economical but also powerful 4-pot, i wouldn't be looking at a sports car as such. It'd be more in the body of a hatchback.

A 2 seater sports coupe with a cheap to run 4cyl is pointless is you ask me. It's describing almost everything that i don't want out of that experience, personally.

You wouldn't be, but plenty of others would. Jag's customer base is not the young sports car driver, it is a 50+ (60+?) driver who wouldn't want to be seen dead with a hot hatch, but for whom a sports coupe has lots of appeal. These same people value low running costs and don't give a st about engine note.

Just look at how many BMW Z4s and Merc SLKs are 4-pots.

Jags issue is, as with the rest of their range, it's overpriced with no real value to justify that higher cost.

[IanCress]

culpz said:

HighwayStar said:

You know when a group of people are having conversation and then someone says something completely pointless...............


And the group carry on talking

I actually think he's got a point. If you want an economical but also powerful 4-pot, i wouldn't be looking at a sports car as such. It'd be more in the body of a hatchback.

A 2 seater sports coupe with a cheap to run 4cyl is pointless is you ask me. It's describing almost everything that i don't want out of that experience, personally.

But then how do you explain plenty of people buying diesel convertibles and sports cars? Merc SLK and Audi TT are two cars that, by your logic, nobody would buy. But people do, so there must be a market for this sort of car.

[culpz]

Rawwr said:

If there are people out there who would turn down an otherwise brilliant car because of the noise it made then, I'm not really sure it's Porsche's loss.

Most of them were on here, as far as i can remember. Not really much of a surprise there then although, i can guarantee that most aren't in the market to buy something like this anyway.

In a sports car, having a sonorous engine is part of the expected recipe for some people. I can definitely understand that aspect of it and it will be enough to put certain people off.

[The Surveyor]

culpz said:

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A 2 seater sports coupe with a cheap to run 4cyl is pointless is you ask me. It's describing almost everything that i don't want out of that experience, personally.

in a market dictated by finance, there will be loads of people who want to be 'interesting' and pic a sports car off the company car list which comes in budget and is low on tax. BMW did it with their 2.0 litre Z4, Mercedes with their SLK 200, the Audi TT TDi, the Mustang Ecoboost etc.. all equally pointless in comparison to their larger engined brothers, but all very successful from a sales perspective.

Given Jaguar haven't replaced their V6 with a 4-pot (like Porsche did), the addition of this to the range has to be a good thing IMHO.

[lee_erm]

Slightly off topic, but do the new JLR four pots share anything with Fords Ecoboost? Both in design and manufacturer, i.e, do they come out of a Ford plant?

[anonymous-user]

lee_erm said:

Slightly off topic, but do the new JLR four pots share anything with Fords Ecoboost? Both in design and manufacturer, i.e, do they come out of a Ford plant?

No, totally new design and it's built at a dedicated JLR "Engine Manufacturing Centre" in Wolverhampton. The engine and corresponding plant represent a very large investment by Tata/JLR.

The V8 and bastardised V6 still come out of the Ford Bridgend plant, and the V6 diesels from wherever it is Ford build those, but they won't be around much longer.

[Dafuq]

Rawwr said:

HighwayStar said:

s0me0ne44 said:

For 19k less ill get a brand new VW Golf R. Quicker more eco 4wd and more practical. This is just too expensive 49k for 300bhp 4 pot never.

You know when a group of people are having conversation and then someone says something completely pointless and the group carry on talking

For 12k less than a Golf R, I'd have a Fireblade SP. Quicker, more eco and won't look like I have carpet samples or photocopier brochures in the boot.

Am I doing this right?

I lol'd

I'll up the stakes.

For only fifty odd pounds I could get a space hopper and bounce past all the stationary 4 pot Jags and Golf Rs stuck in their rat race commutes as I spend the remaining £49,950 I saved on super strength skunk, allowing me to transcend into an alternate reality where Pistonheads no longer exists and instead we all post on PotStoneHeads instead.

Did I go too far????

[culpz]

IanCress said:

But then how do you explain plenty of people buying diesel convertibles and sports cars? Merc SLK and Audi TT are two cars that, by your logic, nobody would buy. But people do, so there must be a market for this sort of car.

Well, for a start, diesel convertibles are not sports cars. In fact, in my eyes, i'm not quite sure that the SLK and the TT are sports cars either, but that's a different conversation. So i'm not quite sure what you're getting at there.

[J4CKO]

I bet a lot of buyers won't be that interested in how many cylinders it has, that stuff doesn't mean a lot to a whole swathes of the population.

To your average punter it lives up to the promises the style makes, it will accelerate as fast as they need it to, and then some, it will do its job very well. The scary, oily business under the bonnet is just a means to an end for most normal folk, they don't need the bonkers, shouty R version.

50 grand is a lot of money but, realistically I don't think many will go in to a Jag dealer and pay that, all about the monthlies and there will probably be some decent discounts to be had in a few months.

It may well attract more ladies to the model, sounds a bit sexist but generally it is ladies who aren't quite so bothered about such matters, like how us chaps cannot fathom the fascination some females have for footwear and handbags.

[Ares]

culpz said:

IanCress said:

But then how do you explain plenty of people buying diesel convertibles and sports cars? Merc SLK and Audi TT are two cars that, by your logic, nobody would buy. But people do, so there must be a market for this sort of car.

Well, for a start, diesel convertibles are not sports cars. In fact, in my eyes, i'm not quite sure that the SLK and the TT are sports cars either, but that's a different conversation. So i'm not quite sure what you're getting at there.

OK, so buyers will buy the 4-pot F-Type and you can tell them they are not Sports Cars/Coupes. But the TT/SLK/Z4 point still stands!

[ChilliWhizz]

Dafuq said:

I lol'd

I'll up the stakes.

For only fifty odd pounds I could get a space hopper and bounce past all the stationary 4 pot Jags and Golf Rs stuck in their rat race commutes as I spend the remaining £49,950 I saved on super strength skunk, allowing me to transcend into an alternate reality where Pistonheads no longer exists and instead we all post on PotStoneHeads instead.

Did I go too far????

Yep, way too far man, like, ya know, right out there... like, er, I dunno, something man...

Jeez I'm hungry, anyone got any crisps? Or chocolate... I love chocolate...

And cheese... I'd kill for cheese...

[MikeGoodwin]

£50k.... fk off.

If this was £40k it might be about right, surely no one in their right mind would purchase this?

[ChilliWhizz]

MikeGoodwin said:

surely no one in their right mind would purchase this?

We think it might be aimed at the female sports car buying fraternity, so you're spot on

[Matt Bird]

jturn said:

Good article. Reasoned, well informed and challenging.

Dad? Thanks though, appreciate it

[HighwayStar]

culpz said:

IanCress said:

But then how do you explain plenty of people buying diesel convertibles and sports cars? Merc SLK and Audi TT are two cars that, by your logic, nobody would buy. But people do, so there must be a market for this sort of car.

Well, for a start, diesel convertibles are not sports cars. In fact, in my eyes, i'm not quite sure that the SLK and the TT are sports cars either, but that's a different conversation. So i'm not quite sure what you're getting at there.

I used to have a TTS... I saw it as fast, sporty but not a sports car. Talk to a lot of the guys on the TT forum and they'll tell you it's a sports car... Same with the SLK... in basic terms the average man in the street will label them sports cars along with Boxsters, Caymans MX5's and F Types.

For me the TT was a compromise on running costs and yes a lot of other things... Plenty of folk who have never heard of PH, car forums etc. will buy a 4 pot F Type for the looks and smaller bills. The show, not the go...

Of course the Jag is over priced. In an idea world I'd bet it would be priced much closer to the 718 but I'd bet even at £50k they they're making way less profit than Porsche do on the 718. Porsche have the economy of scale, spread across the 718 & 911, to help their cause and of course a helping of Porsche Tax. Plus loyal disciples and more getting on board. Jaguar and others are really up against it, Porsche have the £40-60K sports car segment covered.

[culpz]

Ares said:

culpz said:

IanCress said:

But then how do you explain plenty of people buying diesel convertibles and sports cars? Merc SLK and Audi TT are two cars that, by your logic, nobody would buy. But people do, so there must be a market for this sort of car.

Well, for a start, diesel convertibles are not sports cars. In fact, in my eyes, i'm not quite sure that the SLK and the TT are sports cars either, but that's a different conversation. So i'm not quite sure what you're getting at there.

OK, so buyers will buy the 4-pot F-Type and you can tell them they are not Sports Cars/Coupes. But the TT/SLK/Z4 point still stands!

I never said that the 4-pot F-Type is not a sports car. I said that a diesel TT/SLK are not sports cars. I was trying to compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges.

[hammo19]

The designers got this right, the engineers got this right, the assemblers got this right but the accountants.and marketers got it woefully wrong.

IMHO. It does look beautiful in that colour though

[AmosMoses]

Plate spinner said:

£2,365 Saving over the V6?!

Do not want.

This. If you have the means to buy an F Type surely you'd always have the V6 minimum?

[IanCress]

culpz said:

I never said that the 4-pot F-Type is not a sports car. I said that a diesel TT/SLK are not sports cars. I was trying to compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges.

Pointless getting bogged down with labels, the fact is that not everyone buys a car for its engine note. Some people are happy to drive convertible cars with a diesel engine, so some people will be happy to drive a 4 pot F-Type.

Agree with you that the price is too high, although a couple of websites can knock a few £k off that price making it less than £44k.

[Mr Tom]

Good move from jag. There are a lot of people who just want the image. Lots of 50 odd year old blokes, interested in image but not necessarily the engine and would rather spend the extra couple of grand on options. For most people 300bhp is more than plenty! I bet you could put a 200bhp diesel and it they would sell well.