RE: Scirocco axed!
Discussion
CABC said:
well at least Toyota, Mazda, Honda, Renault try.
Try what exactly - Corolla Verso, CX5, FR-V and Scenic spring to mind! None of them tried anything vaguely sporting (apart from Toyota with the GT86, and that isn't exactly a huge seller)!
I'm sure what most manufacturers make is ideally what most people will buy - but I don't want any of them.
I was looking forward to the new one, that was supposed to be the new MQB platform. However, if i'm honest, i wasn't that sold on the facelift version. So, i reckon there's a good chance VW would have ruined it anyway. I always preferred the original MK3 shape. To me, the updated version seemed to lose it's curves and became more square.
I do believe that VW is also going to axe the Beetle aswell, due to poor sales. I can't honestly say that i'm particularly bothered about them dropping that one though.
I do believe that VW is also going to axe the Beetle aswell, due to poor sales. I can't honestly say that i'm particularly bothered about them dropping that one though.
I used to love mine, I would turn back to look at it after parking. I'd agree that the back was awkward, but looking at the 3/4 angles it looked great. I also liked the design decisions that meant looking in the rear view mirror basically presented you with a a couple of headrests and nothing else.
That said, it was unreliable, it blew its turbo at 50k, the electrics were a nightmare and the rear folding seats broke twice.
That said, it was unreliable, it blew its turbo at 50k, the electrics were a nightmare and the rear folding seats broke twice.
Shambler said:
Scirocco R was never as good to drive as The golf R.
I'm not sure that's true, especially if we're talking about the Mk6 R.Sutcliffe awarded the Scirocco R a win against the Mk2 FRS back in 2009. And this was the conclusion a year later from another Sutcliffe test, this time being: Golf R v Focus RS v Megane 250.
Autocar article said:
The Golf R is predictable and extremely mature in the way it handles, but also a touch on the ordinary side - odd, considering how incisive the Scirocco R is on the road.
The Ford and Renault are singing from an entirely different hymn sheet. They are designed to intentionally singe your fingers from time to time and be much more exciting company as a result.
ETA: I accept the Mk7 R however is in a different league.The Ford and Renault are singing from an entirely different hymn sheet. They are designed to intentionally singe your fingers from time to time and be much more exciting company as a result.
Lowtimer said:
SpeckledJim said:
Outside of Porsche, the cheapest thing they make that could be described as a sports car is the R8. (I think?)
Seems an odd complaint. What would be the point of making a VW sports car when VW is all about being a sober mid-range family car brand, and the same group includes Porsche, and half the point of Porsche (down from 100% a decade or two ago) is being a sports car brand? The Scirocco in every incarnation from Mark I onwards has never been a sports car: it's been a Golf coupe. Nothing wrong with being a Golf coupe, I like coupes, but it's not a sports car any more than a Manta or Capri was.
Porsche is a recent acquisition (and an almost accidental one, at that) and even before Porsche, modern VW still showed zero intention of making anything actually 'fun'. Umpteen VW Group sports concepts have been developed and shown, and time and again passed-up in favour of making something dull instead.
Audi owned Le Mans for a decade. What was the public-facing manifestation of that brand asset? The TTS? Jeez. What a missed opportunity.
VW took the Polo rallying. Who knows about it. Nobody. Did VW benefit? Nope. Somehow they made rallying, maybe the craziest motorsport of all, dull.
Now with Porsche in the group making expensive sports cars, there's still no attempt to bring buyers of cheaper sports cars into the fold.
Toyota, Fiat, Mazda and Nissan, for example, are also 'family car brands', but they manage to include some relatively exciting cars at affordable prices, and their brands benefit as a result.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Tuesday 17th October 10:03
MrBarry123 said:
Shambler said:
Scirocco R was never as good to drive as The golf R.
I'm not sure that's true, especially if we're talking about the Mk6 R.Sutcliffe awarded the Scirocco R a win against the Mk2 FRS back in 2009. And this was the conclusion a year later from another Sutcliffe test, this time being: Golf R v Focus RS v Megane 250.
Autocar article said:
The Golf R is predictable and extremely mature in the way it handles, but also a touch on the ordinary side - odd, considering how incisive the Scirocco R is on the road.
The Ford and Renault are singing from an entirely different hymn sheet. They are designed to intentionally singe your fingers from time to time and be much more exciting company as a result.
ETA: I accept the Mk7 R however is in a different league.The Ford and Renault are singing from an entirely different hymn sheet. They are designed to intentionally singe your fingers from time to time and be much more exciting company as a result.
The main reason is wider track, wider wheels and tyres, slightly beefier suspension and mainly, significantly stiffer bodyshell.
I used to own a Mk5 GTI, have had a Scirocco now for 3 years.
My friend owned a Scirocco and went to a Mk5 GTI
We both think the Scirocco is miles ahead of the Mk5 GTI.
Which is the same underneath as a Mk6 GTI. Which is the same ultimately as a Mk6R.
Mk7R as MrBarry says is on an entirely new platform and they drive very well. Scirocco is not as good as those.
I always think I'm just not seeing something with the Scirocco that others are. It's always just looked to me like what I'd expect a 3 door Golf should look like if there wasn't an actual 3 door Golf also available. I know the roof line is tapered a bit and I know the rear arches have a bit of shape but it just seems really ordinary to me. Can imagine they represent good value now though.
Mr Tidy said:
Try what exactly - Corolla Verso, CX5, FR-V and Scenic spring to mind!
None of them tried anything vaguely sporting (apart from Toyota with the GT86, and that isn't exactly a huge seller)!
I'm sure what most manufacturers make is ideally what most people will buy - but I don't want any of them.
Just because something doesn't sell well does that make it less sporty?None of them tried anything vaguely sporting (apart from Toyota with the GT86, and that isn't exactly a huge seller)!
I'm sure what most manufacturers make is ideally what most people will buy - but I don't want any of them.
I'm not calling you out but I've seen similar statements on a few threads lately.
I got one when they very first came out, a blue 1.4 tsi with leather and nav, was a nice car until the engine went bang at 12000 miles.
Now about 8 years later the wife has one on a lease, a 150hp diesel R line in grey. I think its good value at £250 a month on a 1 plus 23 deal.
I don't mind driving it when i have to, it drives quite well!
Now about 8 years later the wife has one on a lease, a 150hp diesel R line in grey. I think its good value at £250 a month on a 1 plus 23 deal.
I don't mind driving it when i have to, it drives quite well!
xjay1337 said:
Scirocco of any ilk is much nicer to drive than any Golf of the Mk5 / Mk6 platform.
The main reason is wider track, wider wheels and tyres, slightly beefier suspension and mainly, significantly stiffer bodyshell.
I used to own a Mk5 GTI, have had a Scirocco now for 3 years.
My friend owned a Scirocco and went to a Mk5 GTI
We both think the Scirocco is miles ahead of the Mk5 GTI.
Which is the same underneath as a Mk6 GTI. Which is the same ultimately as a Mk6R.
Mk7R as MrBarry says is on an entirely new platform and they drive very well. Scirocco is not as good as those.
I've had a reasonable amount of exposure to MkV/MkVI Golfs, as well as various 'Roccos (2011 and 2014 TDi models), and I'd say the post I've quoted above is pretty much spot on.The main reason is wider track, wider wheels and tyres, slightly beefier suspension and mainly, significantly stiffer bodyshell.
I used to own a Mk5 GTI, have had a Scirocco now for 3 years.
My friend owned a Scirocco and went to a Mk5 GTI
We both think the Scirocco is miles ahead of the Mk5 GTI.
Which is the same underneath as a Mk6 GTI. Which is the same ultimately as a Mk6R.
Mk7R as MrBarry says is on an entirely new platform and they drive very well. Scirocco is not as good as those.
I would imagine the further out of favour the Scirocco finds itself, the cheaper examples will become on the secondhand market (as has happened with the New Beetle).
It’s a shame but it was on the cards.
Another biased owner - I bought a lightly used, last of the line (2014) pre-facelift TSI.
One of the best cars I have owned as an all-rounder - looks great (in my opinion!), handles superbly, goes well but also has lots of practicality when you need it.
I think they are aging well. Compare a Golf from 2009 with a Scirocco from the same year...
I’m about 20 months into ownership and hope to keep it for a good while longer.... I am convinced it has some of the DNA of my Mk1 Golf GTI I had 25 years ago - it certainly has a lot more than the Mk3 Golf GTI 8v I had the mispleasure of owning a few years back.
I’d really like an Type R Scirocco one day - maybe next time.....
Another biased owner - I bought a lightly used, last of the line (2014) pre-facelift TSI.
One of the best cars I have owned as an all-rounder - looks great (in my opinion!), handles superbly, goes well but also has lots of practicality when you need it.
I think they are aging well. Compare a Golf from 2009 with a Scirocco from the same year...
I’m about 20 months into ownership and hope to keep it for a good while longer.... I am convinced it has some of the DNA of my Mk1 Golf GTI I had 25 years ago - it certainly has a lot more than the Mk3 Golf GTI 8v I had the mispleasure of owning a few years back.
I’d really like an Type R Scirocco one day - maybe next time.....
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