RE: Volvo 850 R: Spotted
Discussion
aaron_2000 said:
Wow must've been sad seeing that happen to it
On the contrary... as much as I love 90's performance cars (just sadly don't have the means to spend £100k on a Sierra) and as much as I love to see cherished examples, I think there needs to be a balance and for every trailer queen reduced to a life of indoor cars shows and 40 layers of wax, there should be others being used and abused daily and so given the choice of seeing mine go to a forum type who rolled it out twice a year or watching it doing something heroic and dying in the process... Which kinda sums up the issue I have with the huge price tags that performance stuff of this era now attracts... the genuine guys, the proper enthusiasts probably won't give such things a second look and indeed will be aghast at the price tags that certain dealers seems to think they're worth... which to be honest is probably more an exercise of generating interest (it worked in this case!) and perhaps hoping that some eccentric mentalist with cash to burn who had one once back in 96 feels a bit nostalgic and drops a huge chunk of cash to relive the dream again.
There are numerous better cars for sale, the best one in my opinion is half the price of this car and it's significantly better... likewise there are countless cars for sale on the classifieds for around £5k tops which are as good as this, hence anything north of £10k is just fantasy land and purely dreamers or dealers hoping that some mug will be along to part with their cash.
I'd love another one... likewise I'd love several 90's performance cars in my collections, all immaculate and all lined up to allow me to remember the good old days but that's only if I was seriously wealthy and had the means to store such cars... but even then it'd be a waste, cars are for driving and enjoying and a £2500.00 T5-R will bring as much enjoyment, if not more... than one priced at £20k.
Cheers
Davie said:
On the contrary... as much as I love 90's performance cars (just sadly don't have the means to spend £100k on a Sierra) and as much as I love to see cherished examples, I think there needs to be a balance and for every trailer queen reduced to a life of indoor cars shows and 40 layers of wax, there should be others being used and abused daily and so given the choice of seeing mine go to a forum type who rolled it out twice a year or watching it doing something heroic and dying in the process...
Which kinda sums up the issue I have with the huge price tags that performance stuff of this era now attracts... the genuine guys, the proper enthusiasts probably won't give such things a second look and indeed will be aghast at the price tags that certain dealers seems to think they're worth... which to be honest is probably more an exercise of generating interest (it worked in this case!) and perhaps hoping that some eccentric mentalist with cash to burn who had one once back in 96 feels a bit nostalgic and drops a huge chunk of cash to relive the dream again.
There are numerous better cars for sale, the best one in my opinion is half the price of this car and it's significantly better... likewise there are countless cars for sale on the classifieds for around £5k tops which are as good as this, hence anything north of £10k is just fantasy land and purely dreamers or dealers hoping that some mug will be along to part with their cash.
I'd love another one... likewise I'd love several 90's performance cars in my collections, all immaculate and all lined up to allow me to remember the good old days but that's only if I was seriously wealthy and had the means to store such cars... but even then it'd be a waste, cars are for driving and enjoying and a £2500.00 T5-R will bring as much enjoyment, if not more... than one priced at £20k.
Cheers
^^ What he said. In my mind as soon as a model becomes a pampered poodle for collectors I lose all interest in it, I like to see them being used as intended by people who love them for what they are rather than as a bauble.Which kinda sums up the issue I have with the huge price tags that performance stuff of this era now attracts... the genuine guys, the proper enthusiasts probably won't give such things a second look and indeed will be aghast at the price tags that certain dealers seems to think they're worth... which to be honest is probably more an exercise of generating interest (it worked in this case!) and perhaps hoping that some eccentric mentalist with cash to burn who had one once back in 96 feels a bit nostalgic and drops a huge chunk of cash to relive the dream again.
There are numerous better cars for sale, the best one in my opinion is half the price of this car and it's significantly better... likewise there are countless cars for sale on the classifieds for around £5k tops which are as good as this, hence anything north of £10k is just fantasy land and purely dreamers or dealers hoping that some mug will be along to part with their cash.
I'd love another one... likewise I'd love several 90's performance cars in my collections, all immaculate and all lined up to allow me to remember the good old days but that's only if I was seriously wealthy and had the means to store such cars... but even then it'd be a waste, cars are for driving and enjoying and a £2500.00 T5-R will bring as much enjoyment, if not more... than one priced at £20k.
Cheers
Sadly for this seller I cannot see this Volvo becoming that collectable anytime soon, as mentioned by others the appeal of an old performance Volvo lies almost entirely in their daily usability.
You think some Greek shipping magnate is swanning around look for mint Volvos to snap up?
This car is aimed at someone who had one in period, or desired one in period and now has the means to purchase the best example.
As we know, despite how many were produced in the day, they are now considered rare, especially ones in good nick. The traders realise this, and are therefore testing just how strong the pull of nostalgia is.
I'm afraid whether you like it or not, anything is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. If they manage to sell this car for the price they ask, it proves it is 'worth' every penny.
The situation has been bolstered by cars being seen as a win-win - it's not often an emotional purchase doesn't result in depreciation!
The spotlight may disappear at some point but until then boys, this is the capitalist society we live in - stop bleating on about 'proper enthusiasts' not getting access to these cars (which is your perception, at best). If people are willing to work hard and earn enough to throw £20k at an old Volvo, then good for them.
This car is aimed at someone who had one in period, or desired one in period and now has the means to purchase the best example.
As we know, despite how many were produced in the day, they are now considered rare, especially ones in good nick. The traders realise this, and are therefore testing just how strong the pull of nostalgia is.
I'm afraid whether you like it or not, anything is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. If they manage to sell this car for the price they ask, it proves it is 'worth' every penny.
The situation has been bolstered by cars being seen as a win-win - it's not often an emotional purchase doesn't result in depreciation!
The spotlight may disappear at some point but until then boys, this is the capitalist society we live in - stop bleating on about 'proper enthusiasts' not getting access to these cars (which is your perception, at best). If people are willing to work hard and earn enough to throw £20k at an old Volvo, then good for them.
hondansx said:
This car is aimed at someone who had one in period, or desired one in period and now has the means to purchase the best example.
A yellow T5-R estate with a manual box or a red 850R estate with beige interior and manual box are arguably the most desirable cars thus a green auto that came in from Japan isn't massively desirable and this one isn't the best example either... plenty cars out there that are far superior. hondansx said:
The spotlight may disappear at some point but until then boys, this is the capitalist society we live in - stop bleating on about 'proper enthusiasts' not getting access to these cars (which is your perception, at best). If people are willing to work hard and earn enough to throw £20k at an old Volvo, then good for them.
Proper enthusiasts have access to this car as we all do, regardless of the size of their bank account / monthly income... however proper enthusiasts won't be interested as proper enthusiasts know better examples can be had for a fraction of the price being asked for this car. Frankly, if you rolled up to any Volvo forum / meet / caravan club gathering and proudly proclaimed you'd paid £20k for a green 850R auto that just came off the boat... 99% of people would probably shake their head in disbelief.
A fool and their money...
aaron_2000 said:
For that price surely they could have replaced or fixed the gearlever knob?cookie1600 said:
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Working in a garage, you only ever see broken cars - it just so-happens that a LOT of what I see are Saabs!Our Tech2 died some time ago - the other cars we'd need it for are covered by newer diagnostic tools but Saabs resolutely refuse to talk to those and so they remain something of a pain-in-the-arse - tho I'd argue that the Tech2 was, in itself, a pain-in-the-arse - esp on Saabs!
Biggest issue - most 93/95s are now near-worthless. They've been 'banger choices' for a while and those are driven-into-the-ground (never have I seen more cars with 'faked' airbags or blanked warnings than a Saab). I'd simply point to the above AD and ask for a parallel Saab one - GL finding that one ;0
Note: working in a garage will put-you-off owning most cars - anything discontinued or over 15-years-old in particular - never mix work and play eh?
cookie1600 said:
406dogvan said:
You'd rather have a "harder to fix" Vectra over a car which won BTCC races - really!? 
I see too-many Saabs which are total basketcases - mostly down to electronics which are a pain-in-the-arse being JUST different enough from their Vauxhall kin to make diagnosis and swapping parts difficult.
Saabs are definately in the 'buy now or never' zone tho - 93s are filling-up the scrapyards fast and 95s are almost gone-from-sight entirely - it's time to either stock-up on spares or garage-and-wait for someone else to want yours ;0
Clearly you know a lot about the later SAAB range, I bow to your expert knowledge, but please just clarify:I see too-many Saabs which are total basketcases - mostly down to electronics which are a pain-in-the-arse being JUST different enough from their Vauxhall kin to make diagnosis and swapping parts difficult.
Saabs are definately in the 'buy now or never' zone tho - 93s are filling-up the scrapyards fast and 95s are almost gone-from-sight entirely - it's time to either stock-up on spares or garage-and-wait for someone else to want yours ;0
- Although I'll warrant that the SAAB 9-3 had parentage in the Epsilon platform (which SAAB engineers helped design and refine specifically), which also spawned the Vectra, how is it "harder to fix" than any other car? I can fix most things on mine in my driveway and I'm just an amateur enthusiast
- You see 'too many SAAB's' which are 'basket cases' because of electronics. Are you using the GM Tech 2 diagnostic system and paying for the yearly subscription to keep it current? My independent SAAB guys have this and they don't see any more issues with SAAB electronics than any other make of car they work on. Indeed, in 11 years and 200,000 miles of driving 9-3's, I have only had one electrical/electronic issue which was down to an ECU, that was under £200 new and fitted. I can have the configuration of any user interfaced, electronically controlled systems in my 9-3's changed at any point should I want to alter say how many times the indicators flash when I press the remote control to open or close the car etc etc.
- Why would anyone want to 'stock up on spares' when they are all easily available the same day as pattern parts or next day as genuine through dedicated suppliers like Neo Brothers, partsforsaabs or indeed through the official spares network supported by the SAAB GB company now known as Orio UK?
- I live within 200M of two 9-3's and two 9-5's - I don't know the owners of any of them, so they are hardly 'unseen' these days. In fact SAAB UK (Orio) indicate there are still 150,000 SAABs on UK roads
Back to Volvo T5's. I had the chance to drive a fairly new, standard T5 Estate back in the day and bearing in mind I'd been used to fairly mundane repmobiles, it didn't give me the poke in the back I was expecting. It was certainly fast and very solid, but I can't help thinking I was expecting a whole lot more from it.
I've had 10 Saabs and had worse problems with other brands I can assure you.
406dogvan said:
cookie1600 said:
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Working in a garage, you only ever see broken cars - it just so-happens that a LOT of what I see are Saabs!Our Tech2 died some time ago - the other cars we'd need it for are covered by newer diagnostic tools but Saabs resolutely refuse to talk to those and so they remain something of a pain-in-the-arse - tho I'd argue that the Tech2 was, in itself, a pain-in-the-arse - esp on Saabs!
Biggest issue - most 93/95s are now near-worthless. They've been 'banger choices' for a while and those are driven-into-the-ground (never have I seen more cars with 'faked' airbags or blanked warnings than a Saab). I'd simply point to the above AD and ask for a parallel Saab one - GL finding that one ;0
Note: working in a garage will put-you-off owning most cars - anything discontinued or over 15-years-old in particular - never mix work and play eh?
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Keycuk said:
There seems to be a few interesting european cars coming bak form the land of the rising sun recently, i've seen Jags and Mercs and an MGRV8
I've spotted that. Recent favourite is a facelift XJR-S, of which there are only about 50 odd left on the roads. Lots of XJ12s and Daimler Double Six's to trouble the wallet too.A1VDY said:
cosworth330 said:
These are slowly climbing in price but nowhere near 20k yet!
Because old boxy Volvo estate who many have little interest in.The old duffer image with the car having piss stained seats is a hard one to throw off..
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