Slowest "Performance" Brand Car ?
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Shakermaker said:
Porsche wouldn't put any RUF badges on a car 
But if RUF decided to do something with a diesel Cayenne, they could. Much like Alpina and their diesel BMWs.
It was probably a poor example of the halo departments of manufacturers / in house tuners / official tuners / bloke in a shed with a laptop and grand plans based on hopes and dreams being applied to lesser model... but you get my drift... sort of! But if RUF decided to do something with a diesel Cayenne, they could. Much like Alpina and their diesel BMWs.
The Porsche Cayenne diesel... GT3 RS Edition...
I agree that is does dilute:
"Yeah, just got the new C Class AMG"
"Excellent, well played... some machine"
"Yeah, does 55mpg and it's in the low tax bracket for the company car scheme which is great"
"So, it's not actually AMG then..."
"Yes... it is"
"No..."
Edited by Davie on Friday 16th March 14:09
JordanM200 said:
culpz said:
No, the M2 is quicker, but not by much. A mapped M240i takes it past the M2.
Must be neck and neck, watching youtube videos, 0-200kmph in the M240i is 15.6, not sure on the M2. Both also have manual and automatic gearbox options too.
Why is it that certain folks who have a more intense interest in something feel the need to assume everyone else is thick? 
I very much doubt the owner of said AMG-Line 180 would have not known he had purchased one of the cheaper models in the range and the reason why that was. He may have been guilty of assuming a van was always slower than any car, but that's all. He would've have imagined he was driving a particularly fast car.
Many people put aesthetics before speed and handling. That's why these cars sell. They look better than the bog-standard model to many eyes. That's it. No daftness on the part of the Buyer. No, 'it looks sporty so it must be rapid' notions. After that, they are asking for whatever fits their budget, fuel economy goals etc. Speed is rarely a consideration for most.
Just because we can tell the difference between every different iteration of Mercedes and BMW et al, doesn't make those who have no interest in knowing such trivia stupid. They still know what they want from their car and buy accordingly.
Do you really believe this Gentleman went into a Dealership and when offered the AMG-Line trim, didn't know what that included? Most of my Family and friends have zero interest in car trivia but do know where their car sits in its model range and approximate ability in relation to other cars they considered.
For most people, they do not need to know much about all the specifics, so long as it looks good to them and feels good. If buying an AMG-Line Merc makes the Buyer feel good then surely that is fine?
I very much doubt the owner of said AMG-Line 180 would have not known he had purchased one of the cheaper models in the range and the reason why that was. He may have been guilty of assuming a van was always slower than any car, but that's all. He would've have imagined he was driving a particularly fast car.
Many people put aesthetics before speed and handling. That's why these cars sell. They look better than the bog-standard model to many eyes. That's it. No daftness on the part of the Buyer. No, 'it looks sporty so it must be rapid' notions. After that, they are asking for whatever fits their budget, fuel economy goals etc. Speed is rarely a consideration for most.
Just because we can tell the difference between every different iteration of Mercedes and BMW et al, doesn't make those who have no interest in knowing such trivia stupid. They still know what they want from their car and buy accordingly.
Do you really believe this Gentleman went into a Dealership and when offered the AMG-Line trim, didn't know what that included? Most of my Family and friends have zero interest in car trivia but do know where their car sits in its model range and approximate ability in relation to other cars they considered.
For most people, they do not need to know much about all the specifics, so long as it looks good to them and feels good. If buying an AMG-Line Merc makes the Buyer feel good then surely that is fine?
JimbobVFR said:
Efbe said:
was the honda broken?
All of your figures are from zero, 30-something or other would be better comparisons.
are you sure you don't want to change this competition to a skoda vrs, when ready at just the right speed can out accelerate a honda civic type-r not ready, in 5th gear for 50 meters
culpz said:
Jakg said:
Howard- said:
Mk4 Golf GTI
Winner.2.0 N/A
115HP
0-60 in 10.2 seconds.
And it was actually sold as a GTI model (admittedly, only in the UK!)
In fact, many went for the TDI variant and preferred it.
Edited by Funk on Friday 16th March 14:52
Jdjd1 said:
Buzypea said:
I never understood cars like this, all show and no go. Horses for courses though.
I much prefer it the other way around, no sporting pretensions but with plenty of poke under the bonnet.
Fancy being beaten off the line by a Transit connect in an AMG Line Merc. Ha Ha.
Shame my A class would of spat a huge flame out and scorched his bumper I much prefer it the other way around, no sporting pretensions but with plenty of poke under the bonnet.
Fancy being beaten off the line by a Transit connect in an AMG Line Merc. Ha Ha.
culpz said:
832ark said:
Even then it’s not easy to differentiate, an M240i isn’t an M car either.
IIRC a JB4 remap puts it up another 40-60 HP, not that at 335 horsies from the factory is anything to laugh at. The major difference between the M240i and M2 is that the M2 has a mechanical LSD and larger brakes as standard. In a drag race, a mapped M240i may beat an M2 but on a track with corners, the M2 is far superior.
Also £10K more expensive than the M240i. For less than £35,000, its hard to find more car than you'll get in an M240i.
Ares said:
There is no difference between BMW's approach and Mercedes?
Is there?Serious question. I've never looked at the Mercedes/AMG nomenclature so I'm happy for someone to explain it.
Grahamdub said:
Jakg said:
Howard- said:
Mk4 Golf GTI
Winner.2.0 N/A
115HP
0-60 in 10.2 seconds.
And it was actually sold as a GTI model (admittedly, only in the UK!)
Efbe said:
JimbobVFR said:
Efbe said:
was the honda broken?
All of your figures are from zero, 30-something or other would be better comparisons.are you sure you don't want to change this competition to a skoda vrs, when ready at just the right speed can out accelerate a honda civic type-r not ready, in 5th gear for 50 meters
t loads of torque but it still didn't move.nickfrog said:
Exactly. People need to understand the relationship between torque/power/revs/gearing. I had a seized wheel bolt once and I applied st loads of torque but it still didn't move.
and thats why I dont post much on this site t loads of torque but it still didn't move.Its a site for car enthusiast where people dont know that much about cars
hooblah said:
I got my arse handed to me by a boggo mk4 Golf GTTDI. I had an Accord Type R at the time and I couldn't catch him!
If somebody gets on the gas and accelerating first, then it's hard to catch them if you don't have hugely more acceleration.A young colleague of mine discovered this when he had to work hard to catch my (half the power) Mondeo diesel in his Audi TTS after I'd carried some corner speed and got the jump on him
He was quite disturbed after he had passed me that I was able to catch him through the next bends, partly because I didn't need to brake so hard to lose so much speed...Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff