RE: Lister announces 'world's fastest SUV'
Discussion
Hairymonster said:
IMI A said:
How else do you cruise at 150mph on the autobahn with your 4 sprogs and all their outdoor kit?
(photos of massive whale-like generic German 'prestige' SUV deleted)
So you'd drive one of these tanks down the autobahn with your 4 kids and their outdoor kit at a steady 150mph would you?(photos of massive whale-like generic German 'prestige' SUV deleted)
Let's hope you don't get the sinister Doktor Helmut Knobcheese pulling out in front of you at 55mph in his 1976 VW Golf 1.3 to overtake Herr Dirk Schimmelpfennig and family in their 1981 Opel Rekord 1.6 diesel, pulling a 20 foot 4 wheel caravan, trundling along at 50mph.
In all seriousness, cruising at 150mph? With your kids? In something with the dynamic characterisitics of a builder's skip?
Edited by Hairymonster on Saturday 8th September 14:08
Hairymonster said:
So you'd drive one of these tanks down the autobahn with your 4 kids and their outdoor kit at a steady 150mph would you?
Let's hope you don't get the sinister Doktor Helmut Knobcheese pulling out in front of you at 55mph in his 1976 VW Golf 1.3 to overtake Herr Dirk Schimmelpfennig and family in their 1981 Opel Rekord 1.6 diesel, pulling a 20 foot 4 wheel caravan, trundling along at 50mph.
In all seriousness, cruising at 150mph? With your kids? In something with the dynamic characterisitics of a builder's skip?
TBF though the fastest things travelling on the Autobahnen tend to be SUVs followed by estatesLet's hope you don't get the sinister Doktor Helmut Knobcheese pulling out in front of you at 55mph in his 1976 VW Golf 1.3 to overtake Herr Dirk Schimmelpfennig and family in their 1981 Opel Rekord 1.6 diesel, pulling a 20 foot 4 wheel caravan, trundling along at 50mph.
In all seriousness, cruising at 150mph? With your kids? In something with the dynamic characterisitics of a builder's skip?
Edited by Hairymonster on Saturday 8th September 14:08
I don't understand the fascination with Lister - particularly that PH appears to have - when they are doing nothing that any number of tuners have done for years except they are basing these performance make-overs on Jaguars base-cars that no one else sees any opportunity to sell. Don't pretend they are a manufacturer because they aren't. The heritage and the recreated "Knobbly" don't give them any real credibility as anything more than a tuner and trimmer. The world's fastest SUV? Either not for long (once Bentley et al decide to delimit their cars) or only because Lister's entire testing regime is running it up the A1 a few times late at night rather than actually dedicating time and money to performance, safety and longevity. They are clearly good at PR (or loaning cars out) though.
Looks quite nice for what it is, I must say. I'm sure it goes, but I'd be more concerned about how it stops and turns too; particularly the latter.
The base car was apparently quite soft and wafty according to reviews on these pages, which doesn't bode well for simply adding gobs more power.
An interesting irrelevance, but an irrelevance nonetheless. Coming to Cheshire Oaks/Bicester Village (at considerable clip) and revving in the car park, really soon!
The base car was apparently quite soft and wafty according to reviews on these pages, which doesn't bode well for simply adding gobs more power.
An interesting irrelevance, but an irrelevance nonetheless. Coming to Cheshire Oaks/Bicester Village (at considerable clip) and revving in the car park, really soon!
Arsecati said:
Seeing so much love and positivity towards another fast SUV makes me sad. I'm well aware we've been losing this battle for a long time now (if not already lost), but I still held hope that it may have plateaued. 
Whilst I agree with your sentiments I can’t get on any high horses as I have x3 kids and the wife drives a 7 seat SUV. That said, given what we know it is slightly mental that the industry keeps on churning out these high performance SUV’s.
Rather than trying to ban them and denying people a free choice, perhaps there are ways to encourage manufacturers to improve them.
If the industry was obliged by law to adhere to a strict DIN weight limit for each type of car it might accelerate the right kind of progress.
If they could make these behemoth SUV’s under an 1800kg limit surely it could only be good news?
Saloons under 1600kg
Hatchbacks under 1200kg
City cars under 900kg
Etc.
Naive perhaps as I know it would take radical changes in design and production but as the saying goes - progress is due to the unreasonable man...
Maldini35 said:
Whilst I agree with your sentiments I can’t get on any high horses as I have x3 kids and the wife drives a 7 seat SUV.
That said, given what we know it is slightly mental that the industry keeps on churning out these high performance SUV’s.
Rather than trying to ban them and denying people a free choice, perhaps there are ways to encourage manufacturers to improve them.
If the industry was obliged by law to adhere to a strict DIN weight limit for each type of car it might accelerate the right kind of progress.
If they could make these behemoth SUV’s under an 1800kg limit surely it could only be good news?
Saloons under 1600kg
Hatchbacks under 1200kg
City cars under 900kg
Etc.
Naive perhaps as I know it would take radical changes in design and production but as the saying goes - progress is due to the unreasonable man...
I drive an A6 Avant, and have driven derivatives of for probably more than 20 years now. Granted, if there is a genuine NEED for 7 seats, then I guess options are limited, and I can see the far superior practicality of strapping in young ones into the furthest away seats of a higher SUV, to that of any estate car. But alas these are the very rare exceptions to the rule, and the vast, vast majority are bought simply due to current taste and fashion - despite pretty much everything else about them being far inferior to a more efficient and suitable 'lower' alternative. A long, long time ago before the craze exploded, I myself nearly succumbed - test-driving a then fairly new Touareg V10 and a Cayenne S (in fact, I think I probably drove one of every 4x4/SUV there was of them!), and admittedly, was stunned by both the Cayenne and VW (that fu€&1n& V10 defied bloody physics - simply insane!!!), but after a while toying with them all, thinking even the Q7 would be a natural progression to the A6 Avant (I actually thought it drove like a Transit!!), the reality set in that not one single one of them made an ounce of sense in the real world over the Avant, and would have cost me an even greater fortune in running costs over my far more practical and better driving A6...... so I just bought yet another A6 Avant (they've always been Quattro versions too, so will genuinely be able to traverse a muddy field, FAR better than the vast majority of these 'SUV's - just like my mate's wife's 2WD X5..... how the HELL is that even a thing??), and then sat back and watched the SUV world continue to blow like Pompeii. Oh well, I know I'm just going to have to live with them - but that doesn't mean I have to like them! :/That said, given what we know it is slightly mental that the industry keeps on churning out these high performance SUV’s.
Rather than trying to ban them and denying people a free choice, perhaps there are ways to encourage manufacturers to improve them.
If the industry was obliged by law to adhere to a strict DIN weight limit for each type of car it might accelerate the right kind of progress.
If they could make these behemoth SUV’s under an 1800kg limit surely it could only be good news?
Saloons under 1600kg
Hatchbacks under 1200kg
City cars under 900kg
Etc.
Naive perhaps as I know it would take radical changes in design and production but as the saying goes - progress is due to the unreasonable man...
Arsecati said:
Seeing so much love and positivity towards another fast SUV makes me sad. I'm well aware we've been losing this battle for a long time now (if not already lost), but I still held hope that it may have plateaued.
It probably never was a battle in the first place as you don't have to buy one nor does it have to be anyone's only car.Personally I like estates but I prefer SUVs as they fulfill the family needs better. I have no issues with anyone preferring estates though. Live and let live.
Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 16th April 15:23
I was very much an estate car man for the family until I needed an extra row of seats. This was initially supported by a much loved E350 wagon with the flippers in the boot but my offspring became too long (and the AMG didn’t offer the third row either!). Much wifely pressure led to a new RRS in 2003. I had a deep prejudice against SUV’s and had relatively little need for a 4x4 so I was most unhappy..
..but, I absolutely love them now. By far the most practical family wheels and brilliant for properly long journeys and holidays. My need for the full seven seats is relatively low now so have a proper RR (after a Disco) and will probably keep having them for a long time to come.
Clearly they don’t offer decent press-on motoring but that is easily countered by the relaxing waftability and sheer space. This of course also provides plenty of man logic to keep something sportier on the fleet!
..but, I absolutely love them now. By far the most practical family wheels and brilliant for properly long journeys and holidays. My need for the full seven seats is relatively low now so have a proper RR (after a Disco) and will probably keep having them for a long time to come.
Clearly they don’t offer decent press-on motoring but that is easily countered by the relaxing waftability and sheer space. This of course also provides plenty of man logic to keep something sportier on the fleet!
nickfrog said:
It probably never was a battle in the first place as you don't have to buy one nor does it have to be anyone's only car.
Personally I like estates but I prefer SUVs as they fulfill the family needs better. I have no issues with anyone preferring estates though. Live and let live.
I'm still forced to look at them every where I turn - and I don't really have a choice in that, do I? Very few 'families' in the ones that roam around our roads either. :/Personally I like estates but I prefer SUVs as they fulfill the family needs better. I have no issues with anyone preferring estates though. Live and let live.
Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 16th April 15:23
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