RE: BMW E46 M3 CSL: Spotted

[Alpinestars]

kars said:

WCZ said:

really nice cars

-110kg is a proper weight saving although unfortunately everyone spec'd aircon back in (even though it's not necessary in the uk)

when you think about the 911 T and Cayman T with -5kg and door pulleys calling themselves lightweight driver focused editions, it looks a joke in comparison

-110kg is nothing, you can easily drop -200kg+ from regular e46m3, without spending much money

How?

[Chapppers]

Alpinestars said:

kars said:

WCZ said:

really nice cars

-110kg is a proper weight saving although unfortunately everyone spec'd aircon back in (even though it's not necessary in the uk)

when you think about the 911 T and Cayman T with -5kg and door pulleys calling themselves lightweight driver focused editions, it looks a joke in comparison

-110kg is nothing, you can easily drop -200kg+ from regular e46m3, without spending much money

How?

By making it entirely unbearable to use as a road car, I imagine.

[kars]

Ear plugs do wonders

[Alpinestars]

kars said:

Ear plugs do wonders

But how do you easily shave off 200kg?

[Shaoxter]

[redacted]

[GregorFuk]

Matthew7711 said:

Getting rarer everyday..these will be worth megabucks when they get imported to America.

UK cars will need to form an orderly queue behind all the left hookers in mainland Europe. Plenty more of those than the 370 odd UK cars left and imminently preferable to a North American.

[kars]

Alpinestars said:

But how do you easily shave off 200kg?

By removing everything to the bear metal shell and making it single seater (one fixed back racing bucket seat)

I would daily it...

Edited by kars on Wednesday 9th January 17:12

[Alpinestars]

kars said:

Alpinestars said:

But how do you easily shave off 200kg?

By removing everything to the bear metal shell and making it single seater (one fixed back racing bucket seat)

I would daily it...

Edited by kars on Wednesday 9th January 17:12

Well that was easy. You could do the same to the CSL and save even more kg. Easy.

[neutral 3]

Alpinestars said:

But how do you easily shave off 200kg?

Easily !!
In Dec 12, I bought an immaculate, 2 owner, 149,000 mile manual, late 2003, E46M3 in carbon black / black.
I had already bought a red trim 4 weeks before, so I removed the black trim and just re fitted the front red ( boat anchor seats ) along with the red ( boat anchor ) door cards.
The difference was amazing, the OE E46 front and rear seats and the front and rear door cards are stupidly heavy. I also ran it for a few days without the front passengers seat and again the difference was incredible.
A pair of Recarro pole positions are a tad lighter than one OE E46 front seat.
I also took out some of the boot trim and ran it like this for nearly 5 years and 30,000 trouble free miles.
My car also had a CSL steering rack, which is the first mod I will do again, if I buy another.

[neutral 3]

Someone said earlier that the M3CSL is a "hooligans car" and I totally agree, but this ladies and gents, is the "Original hooligans" car.
The 3.0CSLs alloy bonnet, boot lid, door skins, alloy door hinges and no sound deadening pads shaved a lot of kgs off of a regular 3.0CSi weight and the alloy bonnet Really made a difference to what is a nose heavy car.
This along with an engine that just begs to be revved hard, made the CSL ( and the MK 1 3 Litre Capri ) the "hooligans performance car of choice" in the 1970s.
For me, BMW captured the spirit of the original CSL almost perfectly with the M3CSL.

[artdealer]

I traded it after a while because it was already 5 owners otherwise I might have kept it. Sort of kick myself but had to turn the money over to make a living. But I don’t get excited about buying the same car for £65k. Lovely car though in black with top spec it was a great example. Two years later I saw Hexagon were selling them for £45k. Your blue R26.R would have been zero depreciation up to now possibly better.

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I think my black one was on 33k miles when I traded it against my new R26.R. Got about low £20ks for it after being for sale for months without a buyer, how times change eh?

[Alpinestars]

neutral 3 said:

Alpinestars said:

But how do you easily shave off 200kg?

Easily !!
In Dec 12, I bought an immaculate, 2 owner, 149,000 mile manual, late 2003, E46M3 in carbon black / black.
I had already bought a red trim 4 weeks before, so I removed the black trim and just re fitted the front red ( boat anchor seats ) along with the red ( boat anchor ) door cards.
The difference was amazing, the OE E46 front and rear seats and the front and rear door cards are stupidly heavy. I also ran it for a few days without the front passengers seat and again the difference was incredible.
A pair of Recarro pole positions are a tad lighter than one OE E46 front seat.
I also took out some of the boot trim and ran it like this for nearly 5 years and 30,000 trouble free miles.
My car also had a CSL steering rack, which is the first mod I will do again, if I buy another.

200kg?

[Gameface]

At that price? Similar car?

Quadrifoglio.

[Alpinestars]

Gameface said:

At that price? Similar car?

Quadrifoglio.

Loved by the press, but not a great car imv.

[Gameface]

Alpinestars said:

Gameface said:

At that price? Similar car?

Quadrifoglio.

Loved by the press, but not a great car imv.

I've driven one. Was really impressed. Owners rave about them, not just the press.

[Alpinestars]

Gameface said:

Alpinestars said:

Gameface said:

At that price? Similar car?

Quadrifoglio.

Loved by the press, but not a great car imv.

I've driven one. Was really impressed. Owners rave about them, not just the press.

Not this one.

[Gameface]

What was the problem?

[C70R]

Alpinestars said:

neutral 3 said:

Alpinestars said:

But how do you easily shave off 200kg?

Easily !!
In Dec 12, I bought an immaculate, 2 owner, 149,000 mile manual, late 2003, E46M3 in carbon black / black.
I had already bought a red trim 4 weeks before, so I removed the black trim and just re fitted the front red ( boat anchor seats ) along with the red ( boat anchor ) door cards.
The difference was amazing, the OE E46 front and rear seats and the front and rear door cards are stupidly heavy. I also ran it for a few days without the front passengers seat and again the difference was incredible.
A pair of Recarro pole positions are a tad lighter than one OE E46 front seat.
I also took out some of the boot trim and ran it like this for nearly 5 years and 30,000 trouble free miles.
My car also had a CSL steering rack, which is the first mod I will do again, if I buy another.

200kg?

Of course not. He was just throwing around a number to make a (largely redundant) point. I doubt he even did a before/after weighing.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

artdealer said:

I traded it after a while because it was already 5 owners otherwise I might have kept it. Sort of kick myself but had to turn the money over to make a living. But I don’t get excited about buying the same car for £65k. Lovely car though in black with top spec it was a great example. Two years later I saw Hexagon were selling them for £45k. Your blue R26.R would have been zero depreciation up to now possibly better.

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I think my black one was on 33k miles when I traded it against my new R26.R. Got about low £20ks for it after being for sale for months without a buyer, how times change eh?

As Jeremy Clarkson once said, if you want to make money on cars, simply buy whatever I sell

I still have a key for that car in my office desk...

[neutral 3]

C70R said:

Alpinestars said:

neutral 3 said:

Alpinestars said:

But how do you easily shave off 200kg?

Easily !!
In Dec 12, I bought an immaculate, 2 owner, 149,000 mile manual, late 2003, E46M3 in carbon black / black.
I had already bought a red trim 4 weeks before, so I removed the black trim and just re fitted the front red ( boat anchor seats ) along with the red ( boat anchor ) door cards.
The difference was amazing, the OE E46 front and rear seats and the front and rear door cards are stupidly heavy. I also ran it for a few days without the front passengers seat and again the difference was incredible.
A pair of Recarro pole positions are a tad lighter than one OE E46 front seat.
I also took out some of the boot trim and ran it like this for nearly 5 years and 30,000 trouble free miles.
My car also had a CSL steering rack, which is the first mod I will do again, if I buy another.

200kg?

Of course not. He was just throwing around a number to make a (largely redundant) point. I doubt he even did a before/after weighing.

Redundant largely....You being the resident E46 M3 Expert on here....

Edited by neutral 3 on Thursday 10th January 01:35