RE: Gordon Murray Automotive previews F1 successor

[vimfuegoturbo]

Very excited about this! There’s has been a lot of talk about the potential durability of the engine. I don’t see that being an issue. If Cosworth can guarantee the 6.5L V12, 11500rpm Valkyrie engine for 100,000km then a few more revs in a considerably smaller (less rotating forces etc) similar engine shouldn’t be too much of a problem.

I get the feeling that GM has unfinished business from the F1 project - I heard for instance that he was desperate for it to have carbon brakes, but that at the time it just wasn’t possible to make them work adequately in a road car. I think this car will right all the ‘wrongs’ if that’s possible(?!) from the F1.

The prospect of almost 30 extra years of automotive progress being distilled into an even more focussed ‘F1’ style project by it’s creator is tantalising indeed...

[loveice]

GetCarter said:

Nerdherder said:

That picture of Murray holding a pen is slightly unnecessary

Except of course, he designs everything with a pen/pencil. He has NO idea how to use a computer!

Sure he engineers everything with a pen/pencil. However that picture shows a concept sketch/rendering which clearly wasn't penned by him or any engineers in his company. It must've been sketched and rendered by one of the professional automotive designers (not any type of designer) works for him, hence "That picture of Murray holding a pen is slightly unnecessary"... As the chief engineer he deserves credit for the success of the original F1 as much as the designers who originally designed or shall I say opened F1, likewise this new concept.

[stevesingo]

anonymous said:

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I didn't say how large a fraction It is large, but not 1/2 and the cost difference between 6cyl and 12cyl is not 100%.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Sounds like perfection to me.

[The Vambo]

Hmmm...

I take every Gordon Murray is gonna build story exactly as serious as I used to take every Al Melling is gonna build story.

Yeah, I said it.

[Gandahar]

anonymous said:

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[Gandahar]

Beefmeister said:

redroadster said:

Still can't see it been better than Aston's Valkyrie,and difference is that's been made ,lots of Murray's recent talk never happens .

It’s the absolute antithesis of the Valkyrie though - manual box, no electric gubbins, three seats, decent luggage space, easy ingress/egress, easy to drive on the road.

And just to be clear, they’ve only made one Valkyrie so far. I absolutely love the Valkyrie, it’s a truly special car but this T.50 is a proper car for proper driving on proper roads.

Different markets completely.

This obviously competes more with the Mclaren.

[Cold]

So is this two T25s glued together? Because they never made production either.

[PantsFire]

Beefmeister said:

I'm led to believe that the T.50 is basically proof of concept. 100 at £2.2m brings in a fairly healthy amount of cash and will enable them to build a £300k model next, followed by a £100k model.

That's a beautiful dream.

[skwdenyer]

Cold said:

So is this two T25s glued together? Because they never made production either.

I'd be happy with just one; I wonder how much he'd charge to make another example.

[Cold]

skwdenyer said:

Cold said:

So is this two T25s glued together? Because they never made production either.

I'd be happy with just one; I wonder how much he'd charge to make another example.

[The Vambo]

Cold said:

[markcoznottz]

JD said:

CoupeKid said:

High revving N/A engine from Cosworth...

How much will that owe to the Valkyrie??

They not finished that yet?

At this rate the T-50 might be be ready first!

As we speak Ricardo are designing the gearbox for the Valkyrie, it's a single clutch 'automatic' gearbox, presumably then it's an automated manual, which is interesting. AN wanted a carbon clutch but had to compromise to a larger sintered item for increased driveability. The gearbox type he has chosen are not, at least in any application so far seen, that smooth at low speeds. Likely that's where the work is, making the car go fast will be the easy bit for those boys.

[braddo]

je777 said:

If you have the money, you put an order in now. Simple at that.

I'd have a Valkyrie too. That way you're going to have what are likely to be the two best - and yet differing - versions of a supercar for years to come (very possibly ever).

Now, I'm just waiting for the rain to go off so that I can sellotape down the rear window seal on my 2002 Astra to stop the wind coming in. Ah, the real world... how you smite me.

[zestyfesty]

‘Lap times are not part of the overall plan’. This is very refreshing, and the car looks like it could be utterly sensational and a true celebration of peak analogue

[Kolbenkopp]

GetCarter said:

Yamaha in production, TVR (if Les Edgar ever pulls his finger out), a.n.other I can't mention. Watch this space.

Not too bothered about the TVR, out of my budget, and anyway -- too much power to be fun on the road. But if there's a god, please let Yamaha do the license manufacturing for the T. 43. Would be a perfect fit brand and tech wise.

[Kolbenkopp]

braddo said:

je777 said:

If you have the money, you put an order in now. Simple at that.

I'd have a Valkyrie too. That way you're going to have what are likely to be the two best - and yet differing - versions of a supercar for years to come (very possibly ever).

Now, I'm just waiting for the rain to go off so that I can sellotape down the rear window seal on my 2002 Astra to stop the wind coming in. Ah, the real world... how you smite me.

Honestly, that F1 successor looks like the hyper-car deal of the decade at that price. Compensated for inflation, likely cheaper than an F1 back in the day.

But in this case, not marking the beginning of an era, but the end of one. The last truly great ICE sports car. The "one ring" basically . Think that long term this will carry more value. And that's ridiculously short selling the driving experience the thing will likely provide. Comes free with the investment for the fortunate few that have the funds...

[Pommy]

It’s a marketing pipe dream, it’ll never happen because he just pops up every few years fawning over the latest ‘engineering marvel’.

His designs always look old when media released, he promises much and never delivers.

A drawing with some self proclaimed specs. That’s all we’ll get.

[anonymous-user]

GetCarter said:

Equus said:

GetCarter said:

The iStream tech is being used by several manufacturers...

Genuinely out of interest, who?

I know that several manufacturers are investigating the process, but are any actually using it to manufacture, yet?

Edited by Equus on Wednesday 5th June 12:56

Yamaha in production, TVR (if Les Edgar ever pulls his finger out), a.n.other I can't mention.

Watch this space.

What is iStream anyway? I've not read anything at all convincing in the years it's been touted as the next big thing. I get what it is supposed to achieve but don't get what the big revolution is that manufacturers arn't already doing. Composites over spaceframe and lean manufacturing have been around for decades.

[cookie1600]

Cold said:

In the 29 May edition of Autocar, Frankel states that of the 64 road cars built McLaren themselves estimate that fewer than 10% are in regular use.

Of the six odd cars in use then, two of those must be Flemke and Andy74B?