RE: Alpine A110 | PH Fleet (nearly)

[RM]

andrewparker said:

This is from a mockup company that I use at work. Looks brilliant in yellow!

https://yellowimages.com/stock/alpine-a110-mockup-...

Good mockup that - you don't happen to know of any companies that sell mockups of Apple & Samsung products and keep up with new product launches?

[ms7263]

I have mixed feeling after reading the article.

On one hand, good to see the journalist walking the talk and ordering the car, which is very good, based on numerous media reviews. On the other hand, limited available budget is spent on boring grey paint, big wheels (on the driver focussed Alpine !!!) and music, while leaving out telemetrics and sport exhaust. So, ordered spec is purely about crowd following / resale values thinking.

If even people buying driver focused car spec it in such way, I see it hard expecting from others to buy cars with manual gearboxes, small wheels, interesting non-monochrome paints, etc.

[rick.e]

andrewparker said:

This is from a mockup company that I use at work. Looks brilliant in yellow!

https://yellowimages.com/stock/alpine-a110-mockup-...

I'd expected you to be out to Provence to have a shot of mine by now Andrew! But how does your comment above with your earlier view that you couldn't get your head round its looks?

[Kenny Powers]

ms7263 said:

I have mixed feeling after reading the article.

On one hand, good to see the journalist walking the talk and ordering the car, which is very good, based on numerous media reviews. On the other hand, limited available budget is spent on boring grey paint, big wheels (on the driver focussed Alpine !!!) and music, while leaving out telemetrics and sport exhaust. So, ordered spec is purely about crowd following / resale values thinking.

If even people buying driver focused car spec it in such way, I see it hard expecting from others to buy cars with manual gearboxes, small wheels, interesting non-monochrome paints, etc.

Or maybe the bloke just bought the spec he wanted because it’s his car and his money? Pretty ironic that you accuse him of following a crowd but presume to tell him what spec he should have chosen

[Sporky]

TurboBlue said:

Spec is: metallic Abyss Blue, 17" wheels, aluminium pedals and passenger footrest, front & rear parking sensors, Focal audio system, Alpine telemetrics, mirror pack & floor mats.

Would have had Olympic Blue (405) but they don't do it (shame).

I've missed out all the big ticket items: 320mm brakes, 18" wheels, sports exhaust and the blue detailing most have. I'm hoping that I'll not miss any of these.

Nice to see someone else not bothering with the wing badges and blue calipers. I did get the sports exhaust and the heated seats on my Pure.; the former for the childish pops and bangs, and the latter because I plan on using it for every journey I can.

[rick.e]

andrewparker said:

To be fair, it's Alpine that are dictating that with their Germanic colour options. I can understand Dan's reluctance to spec the blue that the large majority of cars will be.

Who says the colour choices are Germanic? 50% of cars here in the South of France are white, a few black, and the remainder various shades of greys and beige. Seems the great unwashed dont want bright colours any more. For me the choice was easy: Alpine blue glinting in the sun is head and shoulders above the others, showing off the subtle curves, but I have also always said the Alpine needs to be seen in the flesh. Photos don't do it justice.

[Olivera]

bcr5784 said:

Just under 60 in 2nd just over 80 in third, just over 100 in 4th.

Good to see the Alpine has sensible ratios, unlike Porsche who seem to fit intergalactic ratios to the Cayman, ostensibly for emissions/mpg but I suspect not to tread on the 911s toes.

[sideways man]

Earthdweller said:

sideways man said:

I’d really have gone with the 17’s. Better ride and lower gearing!

You get different gear ratios with the smaller wheels ?

Surely the rolling circumference is the same on all wheel options with just the amount of rubber between the rim and road changing ?

At this point I’ll confess to assuming smaller wheels meant lower gearing
It seems the 205/45x17 and the 205/40x18 have 5mm difference in rolling radius. To all intents they’re the same. Every day is a school day!

[130R]

rick.e said:

Try looking up the Top Gear acceleration comparison. The Cayman S was faster to 60, the Alpine faster to 50, to 80, and more importantly the 50-80 overtaking benchmark. So Porsche have their car geared for the headline 0-60 sprint, sacrificing driveability.

Talk about cherry picking. The Cayman S was faster in every other increment they timed and those times they quote are comparatively terrible compared to what the S can actually do as well. The S is also faster around any circuit. The Alpine competes against the base Cayman.

[Sporky]

Do grown-ups actually care about that sort of Top Trumps stuff?

Surely you buy the one you enjoy more, and recognise that others have different priorities and tastes?

[Miserablegit]

Only the butt-hurt cayman s owner above!
All of the tests were with cayman s with pccb and a few other extras
The alpine is geared for daily driving - im happy it is limited to 155 as I’m most unlikely to get to that speed even on an autobahn trip. I’d rather sacrifice top speed for more useful ratios.

I also think ph have been a tad weak in the test with the T - I can’t imagine them being so benevolent to the Alpine if the Alpine had the lesser performance

Edited by Miserablegit on Saturday 3rd August 21:02

Edited by Miserablegit on Saturday 3rd August 21:06

[Onehp]

TurboBlue said:

I've missed out all the big ticket items: 320mm brakes, 18" wheels, sports exhaust and the blue detailing most have. I'm hoping that I'll not miss any of these.

This is mine on the configurator

Maybe it's the other way around. Another vote for 17", always found the 18" look out of place on a light car, and found pics of an Abyss blue on 17", think it looks great without any fuss, just a good looking car from the ground that doesn't need 'pimping' to make it look more 'attractive'.

Someone in this thread is confusing sharper steering for better handling. Better handling for me is (also) being able to feel the balance, play with weight transfer, the ability to cope with road imperfections with loaded up suspension, approachable grip limits with progressibe behaviour beyond the limit, etc. all of which will most probably will be better on 17".




From here: https://www.autogespot.nl/alpine-a110-2017/2018/07...

Edited by Onehp on Sunday 4th August 07:41

[tertius]

TurboBlue said:

I've finally ordered my first new car; taking into account probable daily use and how the costs mount up I have chosen a Pure with a minimal spec. On the road price including factory options, delivery, dealer options & insurance is exactly £51,000.

Spec is: metallic Abyss Blue, 17" wheels, aluminium pedals and passenger footrest, front & rear parking sensors, Focal audio system, Alpine telemetrics, mirror pack & floor mats.

Would have had Olympic Blue (405) but they don't do it (shame).

I've missed out all the big ticket items: 320mm brakes, 18" wheels, sports exhaust and the blue detailing most have. I'm hoping that I'll not miss any of these.

This is mine on the configurator

That looks superb, the wheels look perfectly judged to me, certainly no aesthetic reason to go bigger.

[whp1983]

They said October but didn’t specify the year! My friends took ages to arrive- he got cancelled build slot in the end!... the authentic french experience!

Great car though

[Venisonpie]

Onehp said:

Maybe it's the other way around. Another vote for 17", always found the 18" look out of place on a light car, and found pics of an Abyss blue on 17", think it looks great without any fuss, just a good looking car from the ground that doesn't need 'pimping' to make it look more 'attractive'.

Someone in this thread is confusing sharper steering for better handling. Better handling for me is (also) being able to feel the balance, play with weight transfer, the ability to cope with road imperfections with loaded up suspension, approachable grip limits with progressibe behaviour beyond the limit, etc. all of which will most probably will be better on 17".




From here: https://www.autogespot.nl/alpine-a110-2017/2018/07...

Edited by Onehp on Sunday 4th August 07:41

Where is that?

[rick.e]

130R said:

alk about cherry picking. The Cayman S was faster in every other increment they timed and those times they quote are comparatively terrible compared to what the S can actually do as well. The S is also faster around any circuit. The Alpine competes against the base Cayman.

My point exactly! The Alpine should compete against the base Cayman, but time and time again testers pit it against more powerful, more expensive machinery where it doesn't embarrass itself in road use. (PH even put it against a Mclaren 720 ffs). You call it cherry picking, I call it demonstrating that up 100mph, the two trade figures. And yes, once into 3 figures, where power/aero is more important than power/weight, the Cayman S romps off into the distance. But that is irrelevant in a road car.

Edited by rick.e on Sunday 4th August 11:32

[TurboBlue]

Venisonpie said:

Onehp said:

Someone in this thread is confusing sharper steering for better handling. Better handling for me is (also) being able to feel the balance, play with weight transfer, the ability to cope with road imperfections with loaded up suspension, approachable grip limits with progressibe behaviour beyond the limit, etc. all of which will most probably will be better on 17".




From here: https://www.autogespot.nl/alpine-a110-2017/2018/07...

Edited by Onehp on Sunday 4th August 07:41

Where is that?

I believe it is Dieppe, naturally!

Re 17" wheels and handling balance, I'm fairly sure from memory that when the car was in development that the preferred wheel size was always going to be 17.

[Prestonese]

rick.e said:

My point exactly! The Alpine should compete against the base Cayman, but time and time again testers pit it against more powerful, more expensive machinery where it doesn't embarrass itself in road use. (PH even put it against a Mclaren 720 ffs). And yes, once into 3 figures, where power/aero is more important than power/weight, the Cayman S romps off into the distance. But that is irrelevant in a road car.

Depends on what kind of a driving god you are I suppose. For a regular driving god like me, even the Alpine is too fast for UK roads. It doesn't need more power anyone who says so is deluded or is obviously a higher ranking driving god who only cares about lap times.

We keep saying this again and again but the Alpine isn't meant to be a track toy. Neither are most Caymans for that matter but if the track is important then the Alpine shouldn't be a consideration. If outright acceleration etc is important then you might as well just get an Audi TTRS as it blows everything away in this price range.

I love it when someone specs the smaller wheels as well. I suspect it will be more fun and would love to try one. You won't see the car looks like from the inside anyway and you'll be too busy having fun.

[rick.e]

TurboBlue said:

I believe it is Dieppe, naturally!

Re 17" wheels and handling balance, I'm fairly sure from memory that when the car was in development that the preferred wheel size was always going to be 17.

I have 18"Seracs because I think they suit the car aesthetically, but if I ordered again I would go for 17". The car can crash a little on potholed roads, of which there are many in my area. I suspect a bit of extra sidewall might give a better ride on less than perfect tarmac.

Edited by rick.e on Sunday 4th August 10:50

[simonbamg]

Gopping car