RE: McLaren GT vs. Continental GT vs. Mercedes-AMG S63
Discussion
ate one too said:
aeropilot said:
ate one too said:
Cayenne Turbo is an SUV not a GT car.
No s
t sherlock.That said, if I'm in the market for a 2 seater big coupe, I wouldn't buy an SUV, but that's just me. I don't have this sort of money either, unfortunately!
I'd say that the Cayenne looks closer to fulfilling the role I'd traditionally associated with that of a GT car than the Mclaren does personally, it is certainly closer than a motorhome is. Would it make a difference if the Cayenne cited for comparison was a GTS (Gran Tourismo Sport) and not a Turbo? It would still be an SUV just as the Mclaren is still a mid engine supercar, despite the name.
gigglebug said:
I'd say that the Cayenne looks closer to fulfilling the role I'd traditionally associated with that of a GT car than the Mclaren does personally, it is certainly closer than a motorhome is. Would it make a difference if the Cayenne cited for comparison was a GTS (Gran Tourismo Sport) and not a Turbo? It would still be an SUV just as the Mclaren is still a mid engine supercar, despite the name.
But then why a Cayenne and not the Lambo Urus?You can go down all sorts of side alleys with these type of thoughts. What's the best way to cover a 1,000 miles quickly in luxury and comfort with a budget of up to £200k? That's most of our afternoons sorted.
First person to suggest a train can f
k off to mumsnet.ate one too said:
UK only ... excluding dealer demos, press cars and unsold stock on factory SOR 
Ahhh so rest of the world sales don’t count.Glad you’re not my Sales Director
The Mac GT is not my type of car but Harry Metcalfe’s road trip review did make a case for it.
I guess time will tell if McLaren read the market correctly.
Anyway, domestic market sales aren’t always an indicator of success. In 2018 Ferrari only sold 470 odd cars in Italy out of a total production of 7000. That’s across 5 different models.
They seem to be doing ok.
Helicopter123 said:
gigglebug said:
I'd say that the Cayenne looks closer to fulfilling the role I'd traditionally associated with that of a GT car than the Mclaren does personally, it is certainly closer than a motorhome is. Would it make a difference if the Cayenne cited for comparison was a GTS (Gran Tourismo Sport) and not a Turbo? It would still be an SUV just as the Mclaren is still a mid engine supercar, despite the name.
But then why a Cayenne and not the Lambo Urus?You can go down all sorts of side alleys with these type of thoughts. What's the best way to cover a 1,000 miles quickly in luxury and comfort with a budget of up to £200k? That's most of our afternoons sorted.
First person to suggest a train can f
k off to mumsnet.
I’ve got an old shaper and regularly do continental trips , in the winter with a set of winter tyres .
The 4WD was the decider .You get use to the ambiance and stuff like double glazing .
It’s lively in D and more so in sport .
Large boot + ski flap and fairly decent rear seats .
Don’t give a toss about the imagery i am an English man abroad .
Edited by Fiammetta on Sunday 23 February 14:03
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
1 - people drive bigger things without problems
2 - says who? It's more than capable enough for a GT car. My old LS460 almost certainly handles worse than a Wraith and I've yet to die.
3 - oh my, what will we do without 4WD? I'm pretty sure it'll be fine if you don't drive it like an oaf in the wet, and would you want to be taking out a big GT in the snow anyway? My experience of 4WD performance cars in the snow is 4 wheels slipping instead of 2.
4 - subjective so I'll grant you that. I quite like it, but prefer the Dawn
As a GT car none of those things are a deal breaker, but to be classified as “the ultimate GT car” then it’s not good enough. It shouldn’t have compromise. It should be great for any occasion, whether in a big city or on the open road.2 - says who? It's more than capable enough for a GT car. My old LS460 almost certainly handles worse than a Wraith and I've yet to die.
3 - oh my, what will we do without 4WD? I'm pretty sure it'll be fine if you don't drive it like an oaf in the wet, and would you want to be taking out a big GT in the snow anyway? My experience of 4WD performance cars in the snow is 4 wheels slipping instead of 2.
4 - subjective so I'll grant you that. I quite like it, but prefer the Dawn
saxy said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
1 - people drive bigger things without problems
2 - says who? It's more than capable enough for a GT car. My old LS460 almost certainly handles worse than a Wraith and I've yet to die.
3 - oh my, what will we do without 4WD? I'm pretty sure it'll be fine if you don't drive it like an oaf in the wet, and would you want to be taking out a big GT in the snow anyway? My experience of 4WD performance cars in the snow is 4 wheels slipping instead of 2.
4 - subjective so I'll grant you that. I quite like it, but prefer the Dawn
As a GT car none of those things are a deal breaker, but to be classified as “the ultimate GT car” then it’s not good enough. It shouldn’t have compromise. It should be great for any occasion, whether in a big city or on the open road.2 - says who? It's more than capable enough for a GT car. My old LS460 almost certainly handles worse than a Wraith and I've yet to die.
3 - oh my, what will we do without 4WD? I'm pretty sure it'll be fine if you don't drive it like an oaf in the wet, and would you want to be taking out a big GT in the snow anyway? My experience of 4WD performance cars in the snow is 4 wheels slipping instead of 2.
4 - subjective so I'll grant you that. I quite like it, but prefer the Dawn
7 hrs later I was in the U.K.
Try an hr or so on roads like that in Mac or RWD AMG Merc ?
Unless you guys are reducing the scope to summer hols only cars ?
The brief is ultimate GT ......and a lot of the “ continent “ in winter has snowy roads .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhSvptuuQsg
Fiammetta said:
I’ve got an old shaper and regularly do continental trips , in the winter with a set of winter tyres .
The 4WD was the decider .You get use to the ambiance and stuff like double glazing .
It’s lively in D and more so in sport .
Large boot + ski flap and fairly decent rear seats .
Don’t give a toss about the imagery i am an English man abroad .
Edited by Fiammetta on Sunday 23 February 14:03
martin12345 said:
Does the Bentley really have a DCT
I thought it used the ZF 8 speed auto box with a "proper" torque convertor
Apparently soI thought it used the ZF 8 speed auto box with a "proper" torque convertor
https://www.bentleymotors.com/en/models/new-contin...
Click on "Detailed Specs" then on "Standard Features"
Transmission
8 speed dual clutch transmission with Active All-Wheel Drive
Odd choice imo. But there you go.
S1KRR said:
Apparently so
https://www.bentleymotors.com/en/models/new-contin...
Click on "Detailed Specs" then on "Standard Features"
Transmission
8 speed dual clutch transmission with Active All-Wheel Drive
Odd choice imo. But there you go.
The Bentley is based on the MSB platform shared with the Panamera so it'll be using the 8 speed PDK and the 4.0 V8 from that I guess. https://www.bentleymotors.com/en/models/new-contin...
Click on "Detailed Specs" then on "Standard Features"
Transmission
8 speed dual clutch transmission with Active All-Wheel Drive
Odd choice imo. But there you go.
Spot on as a GT the Bentley takes some beating, plus i agree with above comments four-wheel drive is a big plus imo. Mclaren no idea what that is. Forgot to add , how ugly is that Merc, yuk.
Edited by cayman-black on Sunday 23 February 18:24
Edited by cayman-black on Sunday 23 February 18:26
I think people might be missing the point of the McL.
Isn’t it really a “useable Super Car” ? One with enough storage space to be able to use for a long weekend / week away? But one where the driving entertainment is central to the trip and certainly far more important than wafting through the journey?
These are three fabulous cars. But they are really quite different in approach. So it isn’t about which car is better, but which suits your personal brief / wants.
Isn’t it really a “useable Super Car” ? One with enough storage space to be able to use for a long weekend / week away? But one where the driving entertainment is central to the trip and certainly far more important than wafting through the journey?
These are three fabulous cars. But they are really quite different in approach. So it isn’t about which car is better, but which suits your personal brief / wants.
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