RE: Charger SRT is 'fastest saloon in the world'

[Trophy Husband]

honevo said:

I can't help but think that those of you who go on about Teutonic efficiency, brittle plastics and all that other important stuff may just be missing the romance of blue collar America as portrayed by Springsteen


Well now I'm no hero
That's understood
All the redemption I can offer girl
Is beneath this dirty hood

With a chance to make it good somehow
Hey what else can we do now
Except roll down the window
And let the wind blow back your hair?
Well the night's busting open
These two lanes will take us anywhere

We got one last chance to make it real
To trade in these wings on some wheels
Climb in back
Heaven's waiting down on the tracks

Oh-oh come take my hand
We're riding out tonight to case the promised land
Oh-oh-oh-oh Thunder Road, oh Thunder Road, oh Thunder Road

Lying out there like a killer in the sun
Hey I know it's late we can make it if we run
Oh-oh-oh-oh Thunder Road, sit tight, take hold
Thunder Road

Well I got this guitar
And I learned how to make it talk
And my car's out back
If you're ready to take that long walk

From your front porch to my front seat
The door's open but the ride ain't free
And I know you're lonely
For words that I ain't spoken
Tonight we'll be free
All the promises'll be broken

There were ghosts in the eyes
Of all the boys you sent away
They haunt this dusty beach road
In the skeleton frames of burned-out Chevrolets

They scream your name at night in the street
Your graduation gown lies in rags at their feet
And in the lonely cool before dawn
You hear their engines roaring on
When you get to the porch they're gone
On the wind

So Mary climb in
It's a town full of losers
I'm pulling out of here to win

Sums it up perfectly. What a song.
Plenty of romance in Yank cars.

[Jonny_]

The German stuff might be more efficient, better finished, just as quick with 300bhp less, etc etc, but none of it - not even the AMG Merc - is as soul-stirring as these American muscle cars.

(For much the same reasons, I'd take a Giulia Quadrifoglio over any M3/C63/RS4 etc, and give not a damn about the infotainment or the dashboard plastics.)

Bright red Challenger for me, please.

[Limpet]

It might not be the last word in technical sophistication (although that blown Hemi is a hell of a thing), but I suspect most people would get out of it with a massive grin on their face. To me, all American muscle cars are happy cars. They make me smile even when I see one.

I’m glad cars like this exist.

[ate one too]

[Quadcamboy]

Nik Gnashers said:

I agree.

PLENTY of BMW's and AUDI's German machinary looks hideous

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Fixed that for you. Look at something like the new Mazda 3 with it's smooth surfacing, you know, like the original A4, and decide what's well designed or just hideous.

[Nik Gnashers]

300bhp/ton said:

Nik Gnashers said:

I agree.

PLENTY of BMW's and AUDI's, and probably MERCEDES could beat both the top speed, and quarter mile times, if they were delimited, and with 200 BHP less, so I don't see it as that impressive at all really, considering the BHP output.
It will be a cheap rattly interior, too.
Fitting drag radials LOL I bet they go round corners really well then NOT.
I guess, if you want a cheap, rattly, brick with a huge engine, which goes almost as fast as a handful of German machinary (but only in a straight line), and looks hideous then this is the exact car you need.
I'll stick with my refined, German machine, thanks.

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Well at least this is proof SturdyHSV is 100% correct

Also proof that you are still the biggest troll on PH.

Smugness & sarcasm, are not the best traits in a person.

[Nik Gnashers]

BertieWooster said:

Nik Gnashers said:

I agree.

PLENTY of BMW's and AUDI's, and probably MERCEDES could beat both the top speed, and quarter mile times, if they were delimited, and with 200 BHP less, so I don't see it as that impressive at all really, considering the BHP output.
It will be a cheap rattly interior, too.
Fitting drag radials LOL I bet they go round corners really well then NOT.
I guess, if you want a cheap, rattly, brick with a huge engine, which goes almost as fast as a handful of German machinary (but only in a straight line), and looks hideous then this is the exact car you need.
I'll stick with my refined, German machine, thanks.

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

I drive a Charger on a daily basis for work and I can tell you it is not cheap or rattly. I use it in all weather conditions and it is very reliable, comfortable, and handles well.

Fair play matey,
I'll be honest, I have never driven a Charger SRT, and I was forming my opinion on other American cars that I HAVE driven, so maybe I was being a little too critical having not driven one.
I work in the motor trade, and have driven dozens of American cars, some with huge engines, and I just have been disappointed with them.
The ones I have driven make a lot of noise, but are not actually that fast, and have been terrible quality.
I'll reserve judgement on this SRT though, until I have driven one matey !
Thank you for the intelligent reply though, much better than the two smug, sarcastic, children previously replying,
Cheers

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Saturday 4th July 15:20

[Nik Gnashers]

Chestrockwell said:

Nik Gnashers said:

JakeT said:

I know this sounds a bit silly, but ~800hp for 203 MPH doesn't seem all that impressive.

A de-limited E50 M5 with 300 less BHP could do 205 MPH.

Does the Charger have much longer gearing? Or will the engine do more than 60k before it spins a bearing?

I agree.

PLENTY of BMW's and AUDI's, and probably MERCEDES could beat both the top speed, and quarter mile times, if they were delimited, and with 200 BHP less, so I don't see it as that impressive at all really, considering the BHP output.
It will be a cheap rattly interior, too.
Fitting drag radials LOL I bet they go round corners really well then NOT.
I guess, if you want a cheap, rattly, brick with a huge engine, which goes almost as fast as a handful of German machinary (but only in a straight line), and looks hideous then this is the exact car you need.
I'll stick with my refined, German machine, thanks.

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Classic, refers to any American car as ‘cheap’ and ‘rattly’.

I’m a big BMW fan and I had a 4 series which let me down a few ways in the ‘cheap’ department.

I haven’t driven a charger nor have I lived with one but I highly doubt it is rattly or superior to the equivalent German saloon. Cars today are all very good and the only way you can truly test a cars ‘cheapness’ is with time, 10-15 years and by then, most buyers don’t care, I know I wouldn’t.

Even still, in my various E46 BMW’s and my brothers E39, some trim was missing, some plastics were rattling and leather was ripped. Very good cars though and I never judge them on that as they were all 15+ years old. My 4 series on the other hand was only 4 years old and the leather on the arm rest had looked like it had melted. Your M140i will have the same Dakota leather.

Yes, as I replied above, I have given an opinion based on previous American cars, but fully admit never having driven this particular SRT model.
Maybe these are higher quality than the ones I have driven in the past, which many have been quite frankly, shocking.
I also never said BMW's were perfect, but having owned 5 of them in my last 6 cars, I can only base my opinion of my own personal experience. And, maybe I'm lucky, as all of the BMW's I have owned, have been really good cars, very good quality with no interior rattles, great reliability, and really nice handling (even my old E91 touring m sport was a great car despite it being quite a lardy thing).
And yes, I know all about the PLeather interiors, as my last 4 BMW's have had black PLeather seats. They are not the best 'feel' but have all been hardwearing, and two of my BMW's were well over 100k with no splits in the seats at all, or any significant wear anywhere inside tbh.
My M140i isn't the best quality, but I don't expect it to be, it's a lowly 1 series, and for what it is, I'm really happy with the quality.

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Saturday 4th July 15:21

[Nik Gnashers]

Quadcamboy said:

Nik Gnashers said:

I agree.

PLENTY of BMW's and AUDI's German machinary looks hideous

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Fixed that for you. Look at something like the new Mazda 3 with it's smooth surfacing, you know, like the original A4, and decide what's well designed or just hideous.

Nothing needed fixing, so your sarcasm is wasted.

It's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.
I really love the styling of German machinary, not keen on the new BMW grill, but that can be fixed.
I do, however, think almost all American cars are absolutely hideous, and the ones I have driven, very cheap.

[Centurion07]

Nik Gnashers said:

I really love the styling of German machinary...I do, however, think almost all American cars are absolutely hideous...

No bias there then...

[irocfan]

Escort Si-130 said:

>>>So high is the volume that a Charger Redeye can empty its tank in 11 minutes<<<

That is insane

Really depends on how large the tank is surely?

[irocfan]

Deranged Rover said:

Oh blah blah blah, isn't American horsepower rubbish, aren't Audi's better?

Stuff that. I'll take a Charger, thanks.

Indeed. I had a good choice of cars to choose from for my current ride - the only German to come even remotely close was the C63 but in the end it was a choice between a 2013/24 Mustang and the same age Camaro (mrs Iroc having banned all talk of a Corvette and the Challenger being out of budget).

Really would love a plum crazy Challenger SRT8 (maybe 'sublime' green), widebody Hellcat would be pretty much my dream car.

[AndySheff]

The shove in the back in a Hellcat is a fantastic experience. It doesn't take much of a push on the right pedal to overwhelm the traction control for a little while. And the sound of the 6.2 Hemi V8 with the supercharger is also quite addictive. Never fails to put a childish grin on my face.

Gratuitous pic.

[ate one too]

[quote=AndySheff]The shove in the back in a Hellcat is a fantastic experience. It doesn't take much of a push on the right pedal to overwhelm the traction control for a little while. And the sound of the 6.2 Hemi V8 with the supercharger is also quite addictive. Never fails to put a childish grin on my face.

Gratuitous pic.


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Gratuitous inspiration ...

[AndySheff]

ate one too]ndySheff said:

The shove in the back in a Hellcat is a fantastic experience. It doesn't take much of a push on the right pedal to overwhelm the traction control for a little while. And the sound of the 6.2 Hemi V8 with the supercharger is also quite addictive. Never fails to put a childish grin on my face.

Gratuitous pic.


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Gratuitous inspiration ...

I don't get it. Is that supposed to resemble a Challenger ? You do know the Challenger is a retro- modern design ? It's supposed to hark back to the original body form.

[ate one too]

The HB Viva came out in 1966 ... four years before the Challenger.

[unsprung]

ate one too said:

The HB Viva came out in 1966 ... four years before the Challenger.

The argument that you are struggling to make is false.

"The HB Viva... featuring coke bottle styling, and was modelled after American General Motors (GM) models such as the Chevrolet Impala/Caprice of the period."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Viva#HB_Viv...

Dodge Challenger... "Exterior design was penned by Carl Cameron, who was also responsible for the exterior designs of the 1966 Dodge Charger. Cameron based the 1970 Challenger grille on an older sketch of a stillborn 1966 Charger prototype that was to have a turbine engine."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Challenger#Fir...

HB Viva -- the car in your photograph -- was not a leader, but a follower. Your photos of a Viva and a sandwich have almost nothing to do with this thread. You're in troll territory.

[300bhp/ton]

Centurion07 said:

Nik Gnashers said:

I really love the styling of German machinary...I do, however, think almost all American cars are absolutely hideous...

No bias there then...

Well such a wide sweeping statement is only really proof of a somewhat moronic reply. And again 100% demonstrates SturdyHSV’s earlier point.

Dismissing every car on the sole basis of its country origin, is boarderline racism.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

300bhp/ton said:

Centurion07 said:

Nik Gnashers said:

I really love the styling of German machinary...I do, however, think almost all American cars are absolutely hideous...

No bias there then...

Well such a wide sweeping statement is only really proof of a somewhat moronic reply. And again 100% demonstrates SturdyHSV’s earlier point.

Dismissing every car on the sole basis of its country origin, is boarderline racism.

I put one key work in bold, he quite clearly doesn't say every car. And his statement isn't borderline racist in the slightest

[anonymous-user]

[quote=Nik Gnashers

I really love the styling of German machinary.
[/quote]
Your pulling our fkin leg ain't yer?
German cars look as bland as they come.