RE: Gavan Kershaw on Lotus Emira | PH Meets
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Pistaaah said:
Ordered one!
Lotus checking times on card deposits to verify the waiting list positions - heady times indeed…
Jesus. Lotus checking times on card deposits to verify the waiting list positions - heady times indeed…
I am a bit edgy as I put my deposit with JCT which they happily accepted and told me where I am on their list. However, I read on PH that other dealers (B&C notably) have been directing clients straight to Lotus to lay deposits. Not sure how this is all going to work out...
Shnozz said:
Jesus.
I am a bit edgy as I put my deposit with JCT which they happily accepted and told me where I am on their list. However, I read on PH that other dealers (B&C notably) have been directing clients straight to Lotus to lay deposits. Not sure how this is all going to work out...
Apparently, all cars are sold by Lotus with commissions to dealers, to avoid discounting and queue jumpingI am a bit edgy as I put my deposit with JCT which they happily accepted and told me where I am on their list. However, I read on PH that other dealers (B&C notably) have been directing clients straight to Lotus to lay deposits. Not sure how this is all going to work out...
Pistaaah said:
Shnozz said:
Jesus.
I am a bit edgy as I put my deposit with JCT which they happily accepted and told me where I am on their list. However, I read on PH that other dealers (B&C notably) have been directing clients straight to Lotus to lay deposits. Not sure how this is all going to work out...
Apparently, all cars are sold by Lotus with commissions to dealers, to avoid discounting and queue jumpingI am a bit edgy as I put my deposit with JCT which they happily accepted and told me where I am on their list. However, I read on PH that other dealers (B&C notably) have been directing clients straight to Lotus to lay deposits. Not sure how this is all going to work out...
Equus said:
xcentric said:
Does anyone have any insights into whether/when they may do a convertible version? I assume that with the bonded chassis that the roof is only marginally contributing to the structural stiffness, so from an engineering perspective it's easy.
Assuming the Emira isn't a million miles away from the Evora chassis in terms of basic structural concept...With the Evora, the roof virtually doubled the stiffness.
Not that 14kNm/degree is to be sniffed at: it's stiffer than the Elise - circa 10kNm/degree - and over twice as stiff as a Mk.1 Mazda MX5, for example (though the latter probably isn't saying much, since the MX5 shudders like a s
tting spaniel at the slightest sniff of a bumpy road), but chopping the roof of has more than just a marginal effect, it seems.
Edited by Equus on Thursday 8th July 18:48
jl4069 said:
To be honest, while a 26,000 nm/def rigidity was decent for 2008- about the same as a Golf V of that time...13 years later its rather poor. And its not like Lotus are telling us they have made this more rigid. Even cheap cars like Honda Civics and Subaru Imprezas acheive rigidity numbers in the 40k range as of late. These higher numbers allow for much better crash protection, better handling and lighter overall weight. I note the Honda Civic r with a similar engine to this Emira is less than 1300 kilos, and that is with four doors. j
I haven’t researched the figures but I can categorically say that an Evora 400 rides far better than any hot hatch. Not quite as good as a Macca with its carbon tub - but close.jl4069 said:
Equus said:
xcentric said:
Does anyone have any insights into whether/when they may do a convertible version? I assume that with the bonded chassis that the roof is only marginally contributing to the structural stiffness, so from an engineering perspective it's easy.
Assuming the Emira isn't a million miles away from the Evora chassis in terms of basic structural concept...With the Evora, the roof virtually doubled the stiffness.
Not that 14kNm/degree is to be sniffed at: it's stiffer than the Elise - circa 10kNm/degree - and over twice as stiff as a Mk.1 Mazda MX5, for example (though the latter probably isn't saying much, since the MX5 shudders like a s
tting spaniel at the slightest sniff of a bumpy road), but chopping the roof of has more than just a marginal effect, it seems.Edited by Equus on Thursday 8th July 18:48
thats a big difference.
Also my Z3 2.8 facelift roadster, weight was 1265kg on paper, did engine swap and many lighter parts in the car, would have saved 60-80kg
But forgot to weight the car before I brought it to the builder, so weighted it afterwards with the lower weight parts and what came out.
I thought, well under 1250kg surely... but with almost empty tank and some smal things out, weighted still 1285 kg
so original it was booked on paper at 1265kg but must have been a over 1300kg in the real world.
Also my Z3 2.8 facelift roadster, weight was 1265kg on paper, did engine swap and many lighter parts in the car, would have saved 60-80kg
But forgot to weight the car before I brought it to the builder, so weighted it afterwards with the lower weight parts and what came out.
I thought, well under 1250kg surely... but with almost empty tank and some smal things out, weighted still 1285 kg
so original it was booked on paper at 1265kg but must have been a over 1300kg in the real world.
According to Autocar (most recently) and loads of other sources from 2018, Mercedes/AMG have a 2 seater Cayman rival in the works.
I suspect they could well be using the Emira for R&D.
Put my deposit down on launch night. AMG DCT for me. In the blue with yellow details or dark grey with red details.
I suspect they could well be using the Emira for R&D.
Put my deposit down on launch night. AMG DCT for me. In the blue with yellow details or dark grey with red details.
Equus said:
Not that 14kNm/degree is to be sniffed at: it's stiffer than the Elise - circa 10kNm/degree - and over twice as stiff as a Mk.1 Mazda MX5, for example (though the latter probably isn't saying much, since the MX5 shudders like a stting spaniel at the slightest sniff of a bumpy road), but chopping the roof of has more than just a marginal effect, it seems.
Well yes, but it's not absolute stiffness which matters because the torsional forces being applied to the chassis are, all other things being equal, proportional to the weight of the vehicle. Hence it's actually stiffness to weight ratio which matters, not absolute stiffness. tting spaniel at the slightest sniff of a bumpy road), but chopping the roof of has more than just a marginal effect, it seems.Speed1283 said:
Saw one up close at Goodwood yesterday, it looked lovely, couldn't really see an angle that I didn't like to be honest.
Was also lucky enough to see it yesterday as well.I liked the proportions of the car, interior looked unfussy, nice space behind seats for soft bags unless they where pulled all the way forward?
Had a look at the MC12 which looked good as well and would say the Lotus interior was a lot less fussy but the MC12 seemed to have more buttons which I prefer over screens.
Paint looked good as it had a nice metallic look to it. The yellow on the unobtainable EV also looked great, the £2m of that made the Emira seem a bargain, although I was thinking it will push close to £80k with options or more maybe.
Fulla said:
Was also lucky enough to see it yesterday as well.
I liked the proportions of the car, interior looked unfussy, nice space behind seats for soft bags unless they where pulled all the way forward?
Had a look at the MC12 which looked good as well and would say the Lotus interior was a lot less fussy but the MC12 seemed to have more buttons which I prefer over screens.
Paint looked good as it had a nice metallic look to it. The yellow on the unobtainable EV also looked great, the £2m of that made the Emira seem a bargain, although I was thinking it will push close to £80k with options or more maybe.
Interested to read what you say re space behind the seats as still yet to see a photo of this. When you say unless they were pulled all the way forward, do you mean if the seat was all the way back? I am 6'3" so need seat pretty much at the back in most cars (although didn't go to the end of the runners on my Evora interestingly). I'd like to be able to put a couple of cabin cases on the shelf behind the seats if I am going to be able to rag this around Europe.I liked the proportions of the car, interior looked unfussy, nice space behind seats for soft bags unless they where pulled all the way forward?
Had a look at the MC12 which looked good as well and would say the Lotus interior was a lot less fussy but the MC12 seemed to have more buttons which I prefer over screens.
Paint looked good as it had a nice metallic look to it. The yellow on the unobtainable EV also looked great, the £2m of that made the Emira seem a bargain, although I was thinking it will push close to £80k with options or more maybe.
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