RE: VW ID 3 finally gets 326hp GTX flagship
Discussion
After 1500 miles and two months owning a BMW i4 eDrive40, I'm convinced that NO EV, no matter how fast (and that includes fancy Taycan Turbos), will ever have any character or will be a true drivers car. While the i4 is a very good car, being comfortable, quiet and generally very pleasant to live with, even with 340hp in no way does it ever make you think that it has any more character than a washing machine.....now I'm sure a 440i Grand Coupe, with a 6 cylinder 3.0 litre 367hp ICE has character in spades.
Holgate86 said:
After 1500 miles and two months owning a BMW i4 eDrive40, I'm convinced that NO EV, no matter how fast (and that includes fancy Taycan Turbos), will ever have any character or will be a true drivers car. While the i4 is a very good car, being comfortable, quiet and generally very pleasant to live with, even with 340hp in no way does it ever make you think that it has any more character than a washing machine.....now I'm sure a 440i Grand Coupe, with a 6 cylinder 3.0 litre 367hp ICE has character in spades.
You've watched the Chris Harris Ioniq 5N video?Demonix said:
Golf R - 316bhp and 0-62 in 4.7s , ID3 gtx - 5.6 and 326bhp so unsurprisingly the heavy EV is slower, @ £45k + when you've ticked a few VW options boxes it's looking pricey compared to an MG4 X power, it's been awhile since VW hot hatches have been vfm and electrification doesn't appear to come cheap, unless you are happy with a practical but underpowered Dacia with limited range.
Starting price is expected to be north of £50k.A top spec Id3 Pro S spec'd up to match a TM3, comes in @£46.6k now.
A Rwd model 3 has slightly less range, more performance + space, oh and it's lighter than the ID3, is £40k.
That Dacia as school run car is great value, the new Renault 5 looks interesting.
t cars? when will I be able to get a cheap one...annodomini2 said:
Starting price is expected to be north of £50k.
A top spec Id3 Pro S spec'd up to match a TM3, comes in @£46.6k now.
A Rwd model 3 has slightly less range, more performance + space, oh and it's lighter than the ID3, is £40k.
That Dacia as school run car is great value, the new Renault 5 looks interesting.
The Dacia EV is definitely better value than a £50k ID3 gtx, the styling is also more appealing than the drab vw.A top spec Id3 Pro S spec'd up to match a TM3, comes in @£46.6k now.
A Rwd model 3 has slightly less range, more performance + space, oh and it's lighter than the ID3, is £40k.
That Dacia as school run car is great value, the new Renault 5 looks interesting.
I think It's a looker, at least in side profile.
As for the 'wellness' app, what does that do? Navigate you to your 'safe space' for a cry because you're offended?
Ideal if your one of those bellends that have a silly beard and commute round Londonistan on a scooter. With your man bag....
As for the 'wellness' app, what does that do? Navigate you to your 'safe space' for a cry because you're offended?
Ideal if your one of those bellends that have a silly beard and commute round Londonistan on a scooter. With your man bag....
soupdragon1 said:
I bought the ID3 over a Tesla model 3. Turning circle was a big one for me actually. Being able to do a full turn on a mini roundabout outside the school. In the model 3, I would have to drive straight on and either 3 point turn somewhere during school rush hour, or just take a longer route. The ID3 has turning circle of a Polo, footprint of a golf, and cabin space of a Passat. Thats a good package IMO. And is 200hp rear wheel drive really 'poor performance' for a family hatchback these days? Perhaps it is. Plenty for most people though I would imagine.
I can't agree on the materials. The alcantara seats are really nice, and comfortable as well. Was worried about reports of the M3 seats melting/disintegrating, which was a well known issue back when I was ordering late 2021. The interiors have a lot of hard plastic on the ID3 which are nowhere near Golf GTI quality but thats where the tradeoffs have been made. Matrix headlights are a game changer and the overall spec is really high so when you look at where the money has went and where its been trimmed, the Tesla and ID3 are very different that way. No matrix lights in the Tesla, wierd automatic lights and wipers etc
M3 has a firm ride, ID3 is much better overall. Its not a very engaging drive, but its hugely predictable, rock solid and goes where you point it. The M3 is more jittery and just isn't great in an urban environment. Maybe the newer ones are better.
I think overall, there is little point in saying 'which car is better'. Its a road to nowhere argument, as there is no such thing as 'best car'. The only thing that matters is whats 'best for me and my family'. The cars are actually quite different, as I've highlighted above. The M3 excels in areas of which hold no real value to me, which is why it was easy to drop out of consideration. Great car for some people though, no doubt. Supercharging etc.
The Model 3 refresh ("Highland") has decent matrix lights (as does the older one actually, but not the software to make them work I can't agree on the materials. The alcantara seats are really nice, and comfortable as well. Was worried about reports of the M3 seats melting/disintegrating, which was a well known issue back when I was ordering late 2021. The interiors have a lot of hard plastic on the ID3 which are nowhere near Golf GTI quality but thats where the tradeoffs have been made. Matrix headlights are a game changer and the overall spec is really high so when you look at where the money has went and where its been trimmed, the Tesla and ID3 are very different that way. No matrix lights in the Tesla, wierd automatic lights and wipers etc
M3 has a firm ride, ID3 is much better overall. Its not a very engaging drive, but its hugely predictable, rock solid and goes where you point it. The M3 is more jittery and just isn't great in an urban environment. Maybe the newer ones are better.
I think overall, there is little point in saying 'which car is better'. Its a road to nowhere argument, as there is no such thing as 'best car'. The only thing that matters is whats 'best for me and my family'. The cars are actually quite different, as I've highlighted above. The M3 excels in areas of which hold no real value to me, which is why it was easy to drop out of consideration. Great car for some people though, no doubt. Supercharging etc.
) and much less knobbly damping. The damping on the older cars nearly put me off buying a Model 3, but everything else was so much better (especially interior space and packaging for luggage) that we put up with it. Supercharging doesn't matter much to us day-to-day, but is a massive benefit when we need it and makes it a genuine long-distance car. Agreed on the wipers, and the lights on the older version. Neither are a big deal TBH. I have the white seats on mine and they seem remarkably resilient, even to a pair of small children.You simultaneously say that "you can't agree on the materials" yet says that "The interiors have a lot of hard plastic on the ID3 which are nowhere near Golf GTI quality".
etc. :-)The ID.3 is miles off a Passat in terms of interior space. I can't sit behind myself remotely comfortably, which I can easily do in a Model 3, which itself is notably more cramped than a Passat or Superb.
I'm glad you're happy with your purchase.
Edited by herebebeasties on Thursday 14th March 20:25
herebebeasties said:
soupdragon1 said:
I bought the ID3 over a Tesla model 3. Turning circle was a big one for me actually. Being able to do a full turn on a mini roundabout outside the school. In the model 3, I would have to drive straight on and either 3 point turn somewhere during school rush hour, or just take a longer route. The ID3 has turning circle of a Polo, footprint of a golf, and cabin space of a Passat. Thats a good package IMO. And is 200hp rear wheel drive really 'poor performance' for a family hatchback these days? Perhaps it is. Plenty for most people though I would imagine.
I can't agree on the materials. The alcantara seats are really nice, and comfortable as well. Was worried about reports of the M3 seats melting/disintegrating, which was a well known issue back when I was ordering late 2021. The interiors have a lot of hard plastic on the ID3 which are nowhere near Golf GTI quality but thats where the tradeoffs have been made. Matrix headlights are a game changer and the overall spec is really high so when you look at where the money has went and where its been trimmed, the Tesla and ID3 are very different that way. No matrix lights in the Tesla, wierd automatic lights and wipers etc
M3 has a firm ride, ID3 is much better overall. Its not a very engaging drive, but its hugely predictable, rock solid and goes where you point it. The M3 is more jittery and just isn't great in an urban environment. Maybe the newer ones are better.
I think overall, there is little point in saying 'which car is better'. Its a road to nowhere argument, as there is no such thing as 'best car'. The only thing that matters is whats 'best for me and my family'. The cars are actually quite different, as I've highlighted above. The M3 excels in areas of which hold no real value to me, which is why it was easy to drop out of consideration. Great car for some people though, no doubt. Supercharging etc.
The Model 3 refresh ("Highland") has decent matrix lights (as does the older one actually, but not the software to make them work I can't agree on the materials. The alcantara seats are really nice, and comfortable as well. Was worried about reports of the M3 seats melting/disintegrating, which was a well known issue back when I was ordering late 2021. The interiors have a lot of hard plastic on the ID3 which are nowhere near Golf GTI quality but thats where the tradeoffs have been made. Matrix headlights are a game changer and the overall spec is really high so when you look at where the money has went and where its been trimmed, the Tesla and ID3 are very different that way. No matrix lights in the Tesla, wierd automatic lights and wipers etc
M3 has a firm ride, ID3 is much better overall. Its not a very engaging drive, but its hugely predictable, rock solid and goes where you point it. The M3 is more jittery and just isn't great in an urban environment. Maybe the newer ones are better.
I think overall, there is little point in saying 'which car is better'. Its a road to nowhere argument, as there is no such thing as 'best car'. The only thing that matters is whats 'best for me and my family'. The cars are actually quite different, as I've highlighted above. The M3 excels in areas of which hold no real value to me, which is why it was easy to drop out of consideration. Great car for some people though, no doubt. Supercharging etc.
) and much less knobbly damping. The damping on the older cars nearly put me off buying a Model 3, but everything else was so much better (especially interior space and packaging for luggage) that we put up with it. Supercharging doesn't matter much to us day-to-day, but is a massive benefit when we need it and makes it a genuine long-distance car. Agreed on the wipers, and the lights on the older version. Neither are a big deal TBH. I have the white seats on mine and they seem remarkably resilient, even to a pair of small children.You simultaneously say that "you can't agree on the materials" yet says that "The interiors have a lot of hard plastic on the ID3 which are nowhere near Golf GTI quality".
etc. :-)The ID.3 is miles off a Passat in terms of interior space. I can't sit behind myself remotely comfortably, which I can easily do in a Model 3, which itself is notably more cramped than a Passat or Superb.
I'm glad you're happy with your purchase.
Edited by herebebeasties on Thursday 14th March 20:25
I don't think I've actually sat in the back, bar when I was checking it in the showroom but I did own a Passat prior and it actually feels more spacious. Possibly the glass roof giving that feeling, or maybe the extra foot room you get with no transmission tunnel. Would need a tape measure to confirm though
Kids like it though and I think our differences of opinion are usage based a little bit. You talk about long distances but if I was looking a long distance car, it wouldn't be the ID3. This was bought as a 2nd car so straight away, we're looking our cars to deliver on different things.
For me, this was a £30k car, very well specced, great for urban use, predictable and safe behind the wheel. The boxes I wanted to tick probably quite different to yours all things considered.
ajap1979 said:
It’s an EV and a VW. A boringly predictable response from PH.
I like EVs and I've had a string of VAG cars but I'm disappointed in this. It feels underdeveloped; just turning the wick up to boost performance figures without addressing the car underneath.I'd be really disappointed if they shoved a big engine into a Golf GTi without running the chassis/considering how it drives.
There are EVs coming which I hope will be fun, such as the Alpine 290. This doesn't look like one to be added to the list.
blearyeyedboy said:
ajap1979 said:
It’s an EV and a VW. A boringly predictable response from PH.
I like EVs and I've had a string of VAG cars but I'm disappointed in this. It feels underdeveloped; just turning the wick up to boost performance figures without addressing the car underneath.I'd be really disappointed if they shoved a big engine into a Golf GTi without running the chassis/considering how it drives.
There are EVs coming which I hope will be fun, such as the Alpine 290. This doesn't look like one to be added to the list.
I had an ID.3 on order in 2021 and because of a continuously slipping delivery date and a longstanding relationship with my dealer, I was loaned their demonstrator several times over a weekend. IMO, “the car underneath” is much better than the equivalent Golf, and I say that having owned 10+ Golfs. It rides very well (far better than a Tesla Model 3 and the Polestar 2 I eventually bought), the cabin is more spacious than a Golf, and it’s just a really comfortable car to live with. For me it had all the qualities of a Golf, which is exactly what I was looking for. Does it need to be anymore than this?
Re. the GTX treatment, I remain unconvinced that this is the “ID.3 GTI”.
biggbn said:
911Spanker said:
ajap1979 said:
Frimley111R said:
I don't think I have seen such negative comments for any car ever on here!
It’s an EV and a VW. A boringly predictable response from PH. However, what would give a bigger hit - driving one of these for a year. Or pushing one off a cliff and seeing it explode?
Mmm tough choice.
Holgate86 said:
After 1500 miles and two months owning a BMW i4 eDrive40, I'm convinced that NO EV, no matter how fast (and that includes fancy Taycan Turbos), will ever have any character or will be a true drivers car. While the i4 is a very good car, being comfortable, quiet and generally very pleasant to live with, even with 340hp in no way does it ever make you think that it has any more character than a washing machine.....now I'm sure a 440i Grand Coupe, with a 6 cylinder 3.0 litre 367hp ICE has character in spades.
It depends if you are comparing apples with apples.No EV saloon is going to feel as characterful as a GT3 RS, but is an i4 40 less characterful than a 320d?
pb8g09 said:
Holgate86 said:
even with 340hp in no way does it ever make you think that it has any more character than a washing machine......
I actually think the way a washing machine is really cool and the polished metal drum is very aesthetically pleasing....
Paddymcc said:
Wtf is a wellness app and why would you need chatgpt while driving?
It's like manufacturers are just sticking in whatever new buzz word tech thing they think someone would want.
Car does look quite nice however but dread to think of the state of the wheels on our roads after a while.
I think its a step towards the car not letting you drive if you are over the limit or tired, which is good in a way but will be used to control whether or not we can drive for other reasons Im sure. Lockdowns etc?It's like manufacturers are just sticking in whatever new buzz word tech thing they think someone would want.
Car does look quite nice however but dread to think of the state of the wheels on our roads after a while.
It does nothing for me, the car looks so dull and unimaginative, its like they have just given up on the styling.
Even a pretty colour and fancy wheels cant save it.
It will drop like a stone in value like all EVs.
Edited by 1974foggy on Friday 15th March 12:14
1974foggy said:
It will drop like a stone in value like all EVs.
Like all EVs? Are you an expert on the market then?Looking on AT, 3-4 year old examples seem to be worth roughly 50% of their original list price, and ID.3s have pretty much always had discounts, either via PCP contributions and/or government grants. To me that seems like fairly ordinary depreciation, or am I wrong?
ajap1979 said:
Holgate86 said:
After 1500 miles and two months owning a BMW i4 eDrive40, I'm convinced that NO EV, no matter how fast (and that includes fancy Taycan Turbos), will ever have any character or will be a true drivers car. While the i4 is a very good car, being comfortable, quiet and generally very pleasant to live with, even with 340hp in no way does it ever make you think that it has any more character than a washing machine.....now I'm sure a 440i Grand Coupe, with a 6 cylinder 3.0 litre 367hp ICE has character in spades.
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