RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | UK Review
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Any big EV is going to have insane performance as part of the equation, but like the other N cars, they've focused on making it engaging and entertaining above all else. And fun, too.
I liked Chris Harris' summary when he reviewed it (glowingly) on YouTube.
"Jesus, just when you think you've got your anti-EV stance sorted out, they come in, and they wreck ya.... they wreck all your myopic opinions about the fact that electric cars are s
te... 'Cos this one isn't!"
Heavy and expensive as tends to be the way with these things, but I love the looks of it, and Harris even went as far as suggesting that anyone in the market for an AMG / Audi RS / BMW M-car should go and have a drive of one.
I think it's brilliant, and would love to test drive one.
I liked Chris Harris' summary when he reviewed it (glowingly) on YouTube.
"Jesus, just when you think you've got your anti-EV stance sorted out, they come in, and they wreck ya.... they wreck all your myopic opinions about the fact that electric cars are s
te... 'Cos this one isn't!"Heavy and expensive as tends to be the way with these things, but I love the looks of it, and Harris even went as far as suggesting that anyone in the market for an AMG / Audi RS / BMW M-car should go and have a drive of one.
I think it's brilliant, and would love to test drive one.
Dr G said:
It's reassuring to hear that it's entertaining at road speeds/driving (rather than just Youtube-friendly drift/nurburgring stuff).
Fair play Hyundai.
Not a model that appeals to me particularly but it does appear to be the first successful attempt at making an EV for car people.
Agreed, they've had a go a at addressing petrol heads concerns in noise, and gears, even if they are bit gimicky. Fair play Hyundai.
Not a model that appeals to me particularly but it does appear to be the first successful attempt at making an EV for car people.
I was a bit tempted on salary sacrifice, but I am not there yet. I went to the 'nice end' of Bournemouth/sandbanks area from Watford for the bank holiday weekend, the enemy and our son and too much crap in the boot and on paper it would swallow all that with ease and get us there and back without a charge. But I don't think it would in reality and the two bays in the hotel were taken, as were many of the few chargers in the public car parks and I cant be arsed just yet
loudlashadjuster said:
tr3a said:
Here we go again. Moaning about range from those who have never lived with an EV and no information at all about fast charging speed, which is at least as important as range, if not more so.
According to the EV database, this thing can fast charge at 240 kW DC max and has an average (10-80%) fast charge speed of 210 kW. Its fast charge time from 38 to 308 km is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there.
Yes, but I’m looking at this or the new Model 3 Performance and, in a trip I do 2 or 3 times a month, it’s the difference between stopping once for 20 mins or so on the way back, to having to find a destination charger (unlikely, given the site) or stop for much longer to do effectively a full charge, even allowing for the fact it will likely charge more quickly than the Tesla. According to the EV database, this thing can fast charge at 240 kW DC max and has an average (10-80%) fast charge speed of 210 kW. Its fast charge time from 38 to 308 km is just 17 minutes, which is quicker than most people need to stretch their legs, have a pee and get a snack. So there.
If that’s the case I accept that the Hyundai doesn’t work for me and I go for the Tesla. Nobody will die
ED209 said:
Works out at £742 a month for me on salary sacrifice scheme over 3 years 10000 miles per annum including insurance,tyres maintenance, hmmmmm ?
As an all inclusive deal that sounds tempting. looking at the 2nd hand market there is some very cheap stuff out there. I don't desire an EV at all because they are just white goods, but 8k for an i3 or 15k for an ipace makes them an interesting proposition as a shopping car
My neighbour has had his 5N for about 6 weeks and in black it looks good. It certainly doesnt come across to me as huge, but then I drive a BMW iX which is big.
Had a 15 minute drive and loved it. It feels really planted, very responsive, fantastic seats and the N Active ignition sound made it genuinely feel like a petrol car when 'changing gears'. I was having so much fun that left foot braking felt natural and appropriate...loved it.
On the point about range, if you do lots of miles, the range will be an issue, but I don't, so charging this at home a couple of times per week isnt a reason not to get one.
On the point about depreciation, I would not buy any electric car myself due to the depreciation curve being what it is, and the battery technology maturing as quickly as it is. However, I'd get one tomorrow through SS if I didnt have the iX.
Had a 15 minute drive and loved it. It feels really planted, very responsive, fantastic seats and the N Active ignition sound made it genuinely feel like a petrol car when 'changing gears'. I was having so much fun that left foot braking felt natural and appropriate...loved it.
On the point about range, if you do lots of miles, the range will be an issue, but I don't, so charging this at home a couple of times per week isnt a reason not to get one.
On the point about depreciation, I would not buy any electric car myself due to the depreciation curve being what it is, and the battery technology maturing as quickly as it is. However, I'd get one tomorrow through SS if I didnt have the iX.
Rich Boy Spanner said:
I like the 5 and don't think it's particularly big. Just looks like a modern Maestro that has ben to the gym. Appreciate the power this variant has but the efficiency is dire. My Leaf, admittedly smaller, lighter and less powerful has averaged 3.9 miles per KWH over 12K miles.
Isn't the same true of most ICE vehicles too though? Generally efficiency gives way to performance in any power delivery system, doesn't it? I don't know loads about EV's to be honest, but I'm struggling to see how this is a surprise to anyone. Not having a go (I realise text can come across differently to talking, so making that clear! I'm just genuinely curious). I don't get how it's news if that makes sense? Or is the mileage 'that bad' compared to other similar vehicles? Again, I'm not super hot on EV knowledge, so I've not really got a point of comparison.Having said that, it will be interesting (though also a bit boring I suppose) to see what a full charge using eco mode, regen braking and sensible driving does over long distances.
Robigus said:
One of these spilled over 2 parking bays at the vets.
“Look at the size of that thing!” cried Robiga. At first I was proud, then I realised that it was the morbidly obese Fiat Strada lookalike she was referring to.
It doesn't spill over 2 standard parking bays. Either it was badly parked, or the parking bays were incredibly small. Its roughly the same size as all the other midsize SUV/crossover EVs. “Look at the size of that thing!” cried Robiga. At first I was proud, then I realised that it was the morbidly obese Fiat Strada lookalike she was referring to.
bigyoungdave said:
Badgerr said:
Similar range to a petrol i30 N then! What people need to understand is that when you get in an EV, the range suggested is a Guess-o-meter. Once the car works out your style of driving, the GOM will become more accurate. These test cars have been thrashed by the journos so predicted range will always be lower than real time ownership. This learnt from owning my own EV.
However, in your petrol i30N you can add another 200 miles of range in 2 minutes at thousands of outlets across the country Sebbak said:
Rich Boy Spanner said:
I like the 5 and don't think it's particularly big. Just looks like a modern Maestro that has ben to the gym. Appreciate the power this variant has but the efficiency is dire. My Leaf, admittedly smaller, lighter and less powerful has averaged 3.9 miles per KWH over 12K miles.
Isn't the same true of most ICE vehicles too though? Generally efficiency gives way to performance in any power delivery system, doesn't it? I don't know loads about EV's to be honest, but I'm struggling to see how this is a surprise to anyone. Not having a go (I realise text can come across differently to talking, so making that clear! I'm just genuinely curious). I don't get how it's news if that makes sense? Or is the mileage 'that bad' compared to other similar vehicles? Again, I'm not super hot on EV knowledge, so I've not really got a point of comparison.Having said that, it will be interesting (though also a bit boring I suppose) to see what a full charge using eco mode, regen braking and sensible driving does over long distances.
bigyoungdave said:
ED209 said:
Works out at £742 a month for me on salary sacrifice scheme over 3 years 10000 miles per annum including insurance,tyres maintenance, hmmmmm ?
As an all inclusive deal that sounds tempting. looking at the 2nd hand market there is some very cheap stuff out there. I don't desire an EV at all because they are just white goods, but 8k for an i3 or 15k for an ipace makes them an interesting proposition as a shopping car
A lot of money, but no deposit, and covers absolutely everything apart from electricity.
If these follow the typical EV depreciation curve, I could be very seriously tempted in 2-3 years time.
Rich Boy Spanner said:
I know what you mean. The article references other powerful and comparable EV's with better efficiency. You won't always be doing 3 second 0-60 MPH sprints and it should at least be reasonably efficient on a normal paced journey. Maybe a real world range test along the UK's motorways is needed to find out if it is in typical regen mode (as you stated). The more powerful ICE cars do tend to use more fuel, but that matters less in an ICE than it does with a EV because you carry more range to begin with and can fuel easy. Some can be surprisingly good if you take it easy. I find the idea of a sub-200 mile range EV a bit disappointing in 2024 if that is real world driving range - and the efficiency figure given in the article was for everyday use. I have a sub 200 mile EV now, I got the car for BIK reasons but any longish journey is a total PITA.
That's fair, your points make sense. I guess, as with most things, it's horses for courses; I don't drive significant distances often, so having a relatively short range isn't a major issue but I'm also aware that any long journeys will need much more planning rather than just winging it, so that might come to be a bit of a shock when the time comes! I can see having to wait for a charger a much bigger pain than just waiting on a pump, especially if you're in a bit of a rush.cerb4.5lee said:
I think that I'm probably on my own with thinking this, but to me EVs don't have any status to them whatsoever for me. However I guess that is because I just don't find them desirable in the same way that I do with a car with an engine.
I lust after cars with nice engines, but I don't find myself lusting after EVs in the same way if you know what I mean. I think I just see the majority of EVs as white goods rightly or wrongly, regardless of their performance.
Fair enough but I'd say someone driving a Nio EP9, a Pininfarina Battista, a Maserati MC20 Folgore, Rolls-Royce Spectre or an Alfa 33 Stradale would probably not see it that way - all of the aforementioned are available as EVs and none of them would be classed as "white goods" at all by the public. I lust after cars with nice engines, but I don't find myself lusting after EVs in the same way if you know what I mean. I think I just see the majority of EVs as white goods rightly or wrongly, regardless of their performance.
Conversely, I very much see Vauxhall Corsa, Kia Sportage, Hyundai Tucson, MINI, Audi A3 etc as white goods, certainly nothing to lust after at all (and these are the best selling cars in the UK currently).
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