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SDK said:
j001 said:
I though bmw was to stop investing in electric technology as well other manufacturers due to no one buying them?
“No one buying them?” - you’ve been watching too much anti-EV clickbait !The SMMT ‘new registration’ data by fuel type tells a different story. Maybe look it up
MDMA . said:
So It costs you less than £40 to drive 2500 miles on the continent? Where are you charging it for so little?
Public charging is obviously going to cost more. However, I don’t drive across continents and never use public chargers.
Edited by SDK on Saturday 25th May 21:24
If you need to tow a caravan or do 300 miles a trip more than once a fortnight, you are not the target market. If you can’t stick it on your drive and charge it each night at 7.5p kw/h on octopus so when you leave the house you’ve always got a full range, you’re not the target market. Buy the 52/3/40i in that case. Until you can only buy electric of course !!
The really daft thing though, BMW tried to do the electric thing properly:
- no engine so don’t need a massive bonnet,
- limited range, design it lighter and it’ll go further.
- Create a new norm, it’s different but people will catch on, slowly maybe but they’ll catch on.
But no, “if we’re buying an electric BMW it must look like BMW’s have always looked”. Then we can all watch with our fiery passion about cars and what we like and don’t like and couldn’t possibly accept changes to, whilst the disruptive electric companies like MG and BYD come in, look a bit duff, but they’re cheap and thus keep steaingl the bottom line from the incumbent big boys that we won’t allow to change. Resulting in the big old EU boys left with their shrinking premium market, having to increase their prices (100 flippin K !!) as they’ve lost their entry level sales revenue and eventually getting squeezed out of the whole damn thing. Oooh, this wine is stronger than it looks.
The really daft thing though, BMW tried to do the electric thing properly:
- no engine so don’t need a massive bonnet,
- limited range, design it lighter and it’ll go further.
- Create a new norm, it’s different but people will catch on, slowly maybe but they’ll catch on.
But no, “if we’re buying an electric BMW it must look like BMW’s have always looked”. Then we can all watch with our fiery passion about cars and what we like and don’t like and couldn’t possibly accept changes to, whilst the disruptive electric companies like MG and BYD come in, look a bit duff, but they’re cheap and thus keep steaingl the bottom line from the incumbent big boys that we won’t allow to change. Resulting in the big old EU boys left with their shrinking premium market, having to increase their prices (100 flippin K !!) as they’ve lost their entry level sales revenue and eventually getting squeezed out of the whole damn thing. Oooh, this wine is stronger than it looks.
Big Rat said:
Into not just the pricing as many have said it’s the range the infrastructure the weight…..I’ll stick with my M540i touring …….. Tows the wobble box with ease safely and does 26-28 to the gallon 35 on a run without…
That’s some caravan. Do you take it into Europe and if so I’m assuming you have to be careful in selecting sites due to its size. Rob 131 Sport said:
Big Rat said:
That’s some caravan. Do you take it into Europe and if so I’m assuming you have to be careful in selecting sites due to its size. The right choice, for the environment (and your wallet) is to use accommodation that’s already at your destination!
SDK said:
Rob 131 Sport said:
Big Rat said:
That’s some caravan. Do you take it into Europe and if so I’m assuming you have to be careful in selecting sites due to its size. The right choice, for the environment (and your wallet) is to use accommodation that’s already at your destination!
Not a great looking car to me, and it looks very long!
It's amazing how electric motors and battery tech has been around for decades, but put it in a car these days, and its 150k!
I'd personally rather have a petrol turbo or V8 for half the money.
I don't think anyone will care that much about the incoming electric M5, it will hit the headlines fast, being the First of its kind, but probably fade away quickly, as its performance wont be beyond a Tesla Plaid, it will be really heavy, rhe proce will be very large, and there won't be any emotion to it from a petrol engine, which we all know, is the very heart of a car.
It's amazing how electric motors and battery tech has been around for decades, but put it in a car these days, and its 150k!
I'd personally rather have a petrol turbo or V8 for half the money.
I don't think anyone will care that much about the incoming electric M5, it will hit the headlines fast, being the First of its kind, but probably fade away quickly, as its performance wont be beyond a Tesla Plaid, it will be really heavy, rhe proce will be very large, and there won't be any emotion to it from a petrol engine, which we all know, is the very heart of a car.
Rob 131 Sport said:
Unless your fabulously wealthy (which I am far from) and you wish to have weeks away in various parts of Europe on your retirement then a caravan is probably the best option.
Caravans cost upwards of £20k, the one above is likely closer to £50k. Plus maintenance, insurance, storage, higher fuel use, site fees. That's a lot of money to use for accommodation. I'm not saying book a 5 Star lux hotel, just book another caravan already there !The other reason for doing his - people who specifically tow caravans and use this as a reason (excuse) to not move to cleaner transport.
Edited by SDK on Sunday 26th May 09:48
SDK said:
Caravans cost upwards of £20k, the one above is likely closer to £50k. Plus maintenance, insurance, storage, higher fuel use, site fees. That's a lot of money to use for accommodation. I'm not saying book a 5 Star lux hotel, just book another caravan already there !
The other reason for doing his - people who specifically tow caravans and use this as a reason (excuse) to not move to cleaner transport.
Might be his choice?...in other words sod all to do with you?The other reason for doing his - people who specifically tow caravans and use this as a reason (excuse) to not move to cleaner transport.
Edited by SDK on Sunday 26th May 09:48
SDK said:
Rob 131 Sport said:
Unless your fabulously wealthy (which I am far from) and you wish to have weeks away in various parts of Europe on your retirement then a caravan is probably the best option.
Caravans cost upwards of £20k, the one above is likely closer to £50k. Plus maintenance, insurance, storage, higher fuel use, site fees. That's a lot of money to use for accommodation. I'm not saying book a 5 Star lux hotel, just book another caravan already there !The other reason for doing his - people who specifically tow caravans and use this as a reason (excuse) to not move to cleaner transport.
Edited by SDK on Sunday 26th May 09:48
I personally wouldn’t buy one (caravan or not) and will be sticking with an ICE for the foreseeable.
I see caravaning as a great way to have extended trips in Europe.
Big Rat said:
Into not just the pricing as many have said it’s the range the infrastructure the weight…..I’ll stick with my M540i touring …….. Tows the wobble box with ease safely and does 26-28 to the gallon 35 on a run without…
This is an interesting picture as although EV’s will tow this sort of capacity, it absolutely kills the range stone dead. I’m a great fan of EV’s (I have 2!) but learnt a lesson on how finely balanced there range is linked to their aerodynamics. Just having a couple of bikes on the roof lost about a 1/3 of the available range, quite and eye opener. Gordon Hill said:
SDK said:
moktabe said:
Might be his choice?...in other words sod all to do with you?
Yep - no doubt If you're going to post why you NEED a diesel car, with a photo of a huge towed van on a public forum, then it opens up discussion
Always happy to have a discussion as always everyone is entitled to their opinion on ….. and yes caravans can be divisive but the costs are less than you might think… some mentioned £50k for the van it was brand new 2 months ago at £32k and the car is probably worth about the same …. I’m retired now and want to come and go any when we we choose ….. no plans for European touring with it we used to use this and stay in hotels……..
But as some made mention that perhaps we don’t consider the environment we now tour abroad in this….
As regards the ‘M’ letter in front of the 540i in my original post mistake on my part the joys of old age and a right hand with only two fingers and a thumb ….
But as some made mention that perhaps we don’t consider the environment we now tour abroad in this….
As regards the ‘M’ letter in front of the 540i in my original post mistake on my part the joys of old age and a right hand with only two fingers and a thumb ….
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