Car scrapping incentive
Discussion
Marquis_Rex said:
Welshbeef said:
Marquis_Rex said:
Welshbeef said:
cheesesliceking said:
Welshbeef said:
Mr POD said:
Why would you want to scrap a car JUST because it's old ?
I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
Thats the point you can choose to do so if you want to IT IS NOT COMPULSORY.I paid £40 for a 1985 car, and ran it for 3.5 years and 60K miles. I wish I'd kept it.
I guess many people are skim reading all the posts.
I own cars that vary from classic exotica to work horses, but I still think it's nice/fun that you can pick up bargain Rover 623is for knock down prices in the UK, or the fact I bought a totally road worthy Mercedes 280 TE (when I lived in the UK) complete with MOT for £50. I have no real desire to buy one of these right now, but I defend the right of people to do so.
Don't try to play richboy/snob. They're always people MUCH richer than you. What is your beef with old cars? Over and over- you harp on about lives being saved (on other threads) or unroadworthy cars, but they're excuses and seperate issues. Your issue is with older cars.
Welshbeef said:
Sorry to sound rude here - but it seems Reading is beyond your comprehension.
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
3 times is enough for it to sink??
In the Neatherlands one poster here states that cars >12yo cannot enter the city.
However to directly answer your point to entice them into it - well if you say live in Greece the scrap value is £600. So every car is worth £600 at the end of its life. IF your car say needs £400 worth of work done to it you wouldnt bother as you could get £600 for yours then buy another car up to the value of £1k without having the hassle of doing the work or if less than the £1k example then you'd be in profit - so there you go thats the incentive.
Thats NOT a direct incentive, thats a indirect result of pointless legislation.Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
3 times is enough for it to sink??
In the Neatherlands one poster here states that cars >12yo cannot enter the city.
However to directly answer your point to entice them into it - well if you say live in Greece the scrap value is £600. So every car is worth £600 at the end of its life. IF your car say needs £400 worth of work done to it you wouldnt bother as you could get £600 for yours then buy another car up to the value of £1k without having the hassle of doing the work or if less than the £1k example then you'd be in profit - so there you go thats the incentive.
By incentive, I mean the industry offering something genuinely better, and NOT "flame grilled Bangle" styling, or Chill Packs or any other annoying lifestyle crap.
For instance, down sized boosted direct injection engines, or Miller cycle engines. These should be the incentives but it should always be the customers choice as to whether they want to buy, and it shouldnt be through legislation, either directly or indirectly, nor should it be through peer pressure.....
Edited by Marquis_Rex on Wednesday 11th February 15:04
Welshbeef said:
In the Neatherlands one poster here states that cars >12yo cannot enter the city.
Not yet - Amsterdam is still intending to impose a ban on vehicles of before 1993 but prospects are a bit shaky as it's chockful with Citroën DS', Volvo Amazons and classic Saab 900s of well-off and articulate professionals 
, what the lobby magazine is talking about was local scrapping incentives initiated by the motoring industry to get rid of older cars in cities. If that happens I'll actively seek a workshop that disassociates itself from the industry association for spending four figure sums a year on maintasining my cars...Edited by 900T-R on Wednesday 11th February 15:08
900T-R said:
Welshbeef said:
Every country in that link NOTHING IS COMPULSORY
But it sets the tone - you're basically a second rate citizen if you drive an older (and paid for) car. You must get a big loan to buy a shiny new 'green' car, really. Now there's a good citizen. WelshBull, You want to know what it was like in Germany?
Its much the same as in the Netherlands, from 900-TRs descriptions.
Older cars are taxed off the road, dependent on a combination of age of vehicle, emissions class and engine capacity.
Diesel cars are hit harder.
So the worst case scenario would be driving a large capacity diesel car from the 1980s.
But worse than all of the above, is the peer pressure and the brainless 'knee jerk' reaction people have, (much like you in your posts
), where you're branded as pretty much an outcast if your car is older than say, 5 years. The BMW and VW dealers treat you pretty much with contempt if you try to get parts for older cars, such as Mark 2 Golfs.....and you'll get friendly advice from neighbors and collegues at work- encouraging you to go green and buy new....
Welshbeef said:
What are miller cycle engines?
Miller cycle is a cost effective way of down sizing and boosting without going to expensive direct injection.It's when the valve events you use (very late Intake valve closing) lowers your effective compression ratio so you can effective run a Turbo charged engine with a high geometric compression ratio (say 10-11:1). You lose performance with these valve events, but Turbo charging and effective intercooling would allow you to bring the power and torque back to respectable levels.
It saves fuel via the compression ratio increase, the downsizing of capacty/turbo charging and by lowering pumping losses via the valve events.
http://autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/2381...
Seems that things are getting a mighty push by the car comps.... Breaking News.
Seems that things are getting a mighty push by the car comps.... Breaking News.
900T-R said:
CoolC said:
But where is the money coming from? This sounds like tax payers money being spent to give people with old fully paid off cars a load of debt on a new car.
Marquis_Rex said:
God- makes me hate Europe more.
I hope that kind of thing never makes it way over to these shores....
[union mode on]I hope that kind of thing never makes it way over to these shores....
This sort of idea should fiss off unless it benefits UK made vehicles and only UK made vehicles.
[union mode off]
I can see how it can benefit France and Germany though as they buy their own cars...
RichardD said:
Marquis_Rex said:
God- makes me hate Europe more.
I hope that kind of thing never makes it way over to these shores....
[union mode on]I hope that kind of thing never makes it way over to these shores....
This sort of idea should fiss off unless it benefits UK made vehicles and only UK made vehicles.
[union mode off]
I can see how it can benefit France and Germany though as they buy their own cars...
But I agree, it benefits countries like France and Germany more.....
Don't like the sound of this because you can be sure it will only apply to old cars being traded in to selected or perhaps only 'main' dealers.
Therefore it will become difficult to sell on privately a good car to a private buyer who will care for it.
Bound to result in some good, older but low mileage cars being scrapped... Just the sort of cars that will become classics in their own good time.
Maybe I'd feel more comfortable if the de-registered cars were dismantled for their good parts rather than scrapped.
Surely it would be a better idea to persuade or even incentivise low mileage drivers to make more of older cars. After all most of the nett damage to the environment occurs before the car gets to the showroom.
My answer would be to apply a £2K 'bounty' to all new cars which is paid by the first purchaser (anyone who buys a new car must be able to afford IMHO!)and then held on deposit by the government to be paid out when the car reaces end of life to pay for its disposal.
Therefore it will become difficult to sell on privately a good car to a private buyer who will care for it.
Bound to result in some good, older but low mileage cars being scrapped... Just the sort of cars that will become classics in their own good time.
Maybe I'd feel more comfortable if the de-registered cars were dismantled for their good parts rather than scrapped.
Surely it would be a better idea to persuade or even incentivise low mileage drivers to make more of older cars. After all most of the nett damage to the environment occurs before the car gets to the showroom.
My answer would be to apply a £2K 'bounty' to all new cars which is paid by the first purchaser (anyone who buys a new car must be able to afford IMHO!)and then held on deposit by the government to be paid out when the car reaces end of life to pay for its disposal.
Welshbeef said:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/Motoring-Costs/Car-s...
Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.
This is the third thread you've started about getting old cars off the road isn't it? Every time you call old cars unsafe or something like it.Interesting reading this - it would certainly help get rid of the s
t boxes we have on the roads.This isn't going to help the people its targetted at though is it?
Lets say they give you £2000 off a new car with CO2 restrictions. Nice idea, but where is the other 10k going to come from? I suspect a lot of people who drive old cars do so because they can't afford or justify spending more on a new one. I suspect it will have next to no effect. I drive an old car because it was a choice between nice shiney car on credit, but lots of blue labels in the trolly and no holiday this year, or go and buy something I could afford and have some 'play-money' this year.
Lets say they give you £2000 off a new car with CO2 restrictions. Nice idea, but where is the other 10k going to come from? I suspect a lot of people who drive old cars do so because they can't afford or justify spending more on a new one. I suspect it will have next to no effect. I drive an old car because it was a choice between nice shiney car on credit, but lots of blue labels in the trolly and no holiday this year, or go and buy something I could afford and have some 'play-money' this year.
Welshbeef said:
http://autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/2381...
Seems that things are getting a mighty push by the car comps.... Breaking News.
Ford in support of scheme to make new cars more attractive? Whatever next....Seems that things are getting a mighty push by the car comps.... Breaking News.
Would I buy a new car that costs me close to a year's salary for something decent, from a manufacturer that clearly deems it inappropriate to keep it on the road for longer than ten years? Erm, thought not.
I thought they were called 'consumer durables'...
I thought they were called 'consumer durables'...
Edited by 900T-R on Wednesday 11th February 19:55
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