RE: New 911 Turbo S Revealed

RE: New 911 Turbo S Revealed

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markmullen

15,877 posts

236 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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I like it and look forward to us getting our mits on one.

avster

2 posts

172 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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The new 911 Turbo S has been released after 5 years. That is quite a long time in Supercar terms. I think the point that people are missing with this car is that, it is going to be around for quite some time. The new 998 Turbo is not due to come out until 2012. Between this and the next Turbo S there could be a difference of at least 6 years.

My main plus points for this car are as follows.

1. Porsche Turbo servicing is currently a minor service every 2 years or 24000 miles and a major service every 4 years. This equates to around £400 for a minor service and £1000 for a major service. How many hypercars can you buy at this cost?
2. The current car gives 24.8 miles to the gallon on the combined cycle. How many hypercars can do this?
3. The performance from the car is breathtaking. The 997 Turbo facelift does 0-60 MPH in 3.6 secs with PDK and sports chrono package. Many test drivers have reached 0-60 in between 3.0-3.2 secs. The turbo S is quoted as 3.3. I would be amazed if test drivers are regularly not hitting 60 mph in 3 secs or maybe even 2.9 seconds. It's not just the 0-60 times. Look at all the different acceleration scenerarios and very very few cars can live with it.
4. If you add all the options that are on the car you would be very close to hitting 20k anyway. The PCCB brakes and PDK along with Sports Chrono Package cost around 10k by themselves, so I think it is good value as residuals are bound to be stronger. Even once the 998 turbo is out, this model will still be the latest S Turbo.
5. Looks as always are in the eye of the beholder but I think it is a stunning car. I think just because the shape has not change massively over the years should not detract from the fact that is an excellent all rounder sports car. For me it's just perfect.


Edited by avster on Wednesday 10th February 16:35

TheRoadWarrior

1,241 posts

180 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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Can anyone explain this;

stuff said:
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV) including a mechanical differential lock on the rear axle.
I was under the impression that torque vectoring was done by an electronically controlled diff- are they saying the 911 T s has a torque vectoring front diff and a mechanical rear LSD.. or something else?

Johnspex

4,360 posts

186 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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i'm no superhero said:
Fittster said:
Can you get one with an old fashioned gearbox (i.e. a clutch pedal)
PDK is progress.
Got to agree with that. I just don't get this obsession with clutches. Surely that is old technology and PDK is new tecnology. Why does anybody want to sit in traffice pumping a clutch up and down? And before anybody starts on me, I don't care who you are, how good a driver, how rich or even where you live at some point you will have to drive it slowly and in traffic even if it's on the way to the circuit or round the streets of Monaco.

TheRoadWarrior

1,241 posts

180 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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Johnspex said:
i'm no superhero said:
Fittster said:
Can you get one with an old fashioned gearbox (i.e. a clutch pedal)
PDK is progress.
Got to agree with that. I just don't get this obsession with clutches. Surely that is old technology and PDK is new tecnology. Why does anybody want to sit in traffice pumping a clutch up and down? And before anybody starts on me, I don't care who you are, how good a driver, how rich or even where you live at some point you will have to drive it slowly and in traffic even if it's on the way to the circuit or round the streets of Monaco.
Personally I prefer a clutch to DSG/PDK type cars, I just think its more engaging(No pun intended).. dual clutch transmissions are just another layer of technology removing you from actually driving the car.

NIIKME

562 posts

223 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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Galaxy Bob said:
The problem with this car is that it is an S.
When people ask what car you drive you will answer A 911 Turbo S.
To which they will reply, Turbo S? how is that different to a Turbo?
You will then go off on one explaining this, which you will, half way through they will have hanged themselves from the nearest light fitting.
Cant say i agree with this but it did make me laugh out loud. thank you and well done smile

BSC

341 posts

284 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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TWIN TUBI said:
Seriously This is just a pathetic face saving attempt by the German car company to build a 911 that's faster than a sub £56k 2010 Nissan spec GT-R. For £130,000 i could buy GT-R, cayman S and a Golf gti instead of this mutated Volkswagen beetle with its Nazi sponsored origins from WWII . German efficiency and innovation is only matched by the Japanese so why do they insist on being second best trying to perfect this outdated rear engined relic?
Could you imagine that not the "rear engined relic" is outdated but your mentioning of Nazi is?

Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.

guyforks1

12 posts

196 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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oooo wow another one. I'm so impressed...



In no way.


okgo

38,532 posts

200 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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What car is this competing with then?

How much is an R8/Gallardo?

fluffyducky

137 posts

199 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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BSC said:
TWIN TUBI said:
Seriously This is just a pathetic face saving attempt by the German car company to build a 911 that's faster than a sub £56k 2010 Nissan spec GT-R. For £130,000 i could buy GT-R, cayman S and a Golf gti instead of this mutated Volkswagen beetle with its Nazi sponsored origins from WWII . German efficiency and innovation is only matched by the Japanese so why do they insist on being second best trying to perfect this outdated rear engined relic?
Could you imagine that not the "rear engined relic" is outdated but your mentioning of Nazi is?

Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.
Godwins Law. Always going to come in early when talking about Porsche...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

ThirdShift

120 posts

180 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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okgo said:
What car is this competing with then?

How much is an R8/Gallardo?
GT-R wink

okgo

38,532 posts

200 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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ThirdShift said:
okgo said:
What car is this competing with then?

How much is an R8/Gallardo?
GT-R wink
Thought GTR was half the price of this?

Mike69

47 posts

182 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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BSC said:
TWIN TUBI said:
Seriously This is just a pathetic face saving attempt by the German car company to build a 911 that's faster than a sub £56k 2010 Nissan spec GT-R. For £130,000 i could buy GT-R, cayman S and a Golf gti instead of this mutated Volkswagen beetle with its Nazi sponsored origins from WWII . German efficiency and innovation is only matched by the Japanese so why do they insist on being second best trying to perfect this outdated rear engined relic?
Could you imagine that not the "rear engined relic" is outdated but your mentioning of Nazi is?

Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.
It escapes me, how anyone can make the mental leap from Porsche of today to 'Nazi Sponsorship'. Especially, when they refer to a Nissan GTR as the car to benchmark it against. The Japanese didn't win any Human Rights awards during WW2 either.

By the way, for me, this car is a ten. Except for the cabriolet, which really isn't.

Verde

506 posts

190 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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Not sure how people can consider a car with the dynamics and numbers of this new 'S' boring. Anyone feeling 'bored' is likely to have never experienced a ride or a drive in such an amazing machine. It boring is a byproduct of consistently outstanding results, then I guess this Porsche is boring.
All that said, and despite the performance, the TT has left me cold for years. Despite the hair-curling speeds, having the drivetrain and computer controls at all 4 wheels takes some of the fun, and adds even more weight to the experience.
I have infinite respect for the machine, and the people who produced it. But I'll wait for the GT2. That car, or the GT3 RS are the only ones for which I'd consider trading my 997.1S Cab.

Complex

516 posts

177 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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okgo said:
What car is this competing with then?

How much is an R8/Gallardo?
Assuming brand new, ~115k+ for a reasonably specced V10 R8, 165k for an Lp560 coupé.
This will out-perform both of those in performance and practicality.
Though with a far inferior sound to both, and (significantly) less sense of occasion than the lp560, also being worse off in styling to both; though the aesthetic gap between the R8 and 911T is debatable for some - I still think the 911T looks too dull for a 120k car, but I guess that appeals to a large portion of the target market, who don't want the attention.

BSC

341 posts

284 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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fluffyducky said:
BSC said:
Could you imagine that not the "rear engined relic" is outdated but your mentioning of Nazi is?

Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.
Godwins Law. Always going to come in early when talking about Porsche...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Thanks fluffyducky, I haven't heard of Godwin's law before.

okgo

38,532 posts

200 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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Agree with all that. I thought the Gallardo was a lot cheaper than that. The r8 is a better looking car and more of an occasion to look at than any 911 IMO, however you cannot argue with those figures.

Daniel1

2,931 posts

200 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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id still have a GT3 please because for some reason this doesnt even give me a twitch

spice

632 posts

272 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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you can buy two Carreras for that

Lost soul

8,712 posts

184 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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russy01 said:
just another edition of an already boring car,
How on earth did you work out that it boring !!!