RE: New 911 Turbo S Revealed
Discussion
The new 911 Turbo S has been released after 5 years. That is quite a long time in Supercar terms. I think the point that people are missing with this car is that, it is going to be around for quite some time. The new 998 Turbo is not due to come out until 2012. Between this and the next Turbo S there could be a difference of at least 6 years.
My main plus points for this car are as follows.
1. Porsche Turbo servicing is currently a minor service every 2 years or 24000 miles and a major service every 4 years. This equates to around £400 for a minor service and £1000 for a major service. How many hypercars can you buy at this cost?
2. The current car gives 24.8 miles to the gallon on the combined cycle. How many hypercars can do this?
3. The performance from the car is breathtaking. The 997 Turbo facelift does 0-60 MPH in 3.6 secs with PDK and sports chrono package. Many test drivers have reached 0-60 in between 3.0-3.2 secs. The turbo S is quoted as 3.3. I would be amazed if test drivers are regularly not hitting 60 mph in 3 secs or maybe even 2.9 seconds. It's not just the 0-60 times. Look at all the different acceleration scenerarios and very very few cars can live with it.
4. If you add all the options that are on the car you would be very close to hitting 20k anyway. The PCCB brakes and PDK along with Sports Chrono Package cost around 10k by themselves, so I think it is good value as residuals are bound to be stronger. Even once the 998 turbo is out, this model will still be the latest S Turbo.
5. Looks as always are in the eye of the beholder but I think it is a stunning car. I think just because the shape has not change massively over the years should not detract from the fact that is an excellent all rounder sports car. For me it's just perfect.
My main plus points for this car are as follows.
1. Porsche Turbo servicing is currently a minor service every 2 years or 24000 miles and a major service every 4 years. This equates to around £400 for a minor service and £1000 for a major service. How many hypercars can you buy at this cost?
2. The current car gives 24.8 miles to the gallon on the combined cycle. How many hypercars can do this?
3. The performance from the car is breathtaking. The 997 Turbo facelift does 0-60 MPH in 3.6 secs with PDK and sports chrono package. Many test drivers have reached 0-60 in between 3.0-3.2 secs. The turbo S is quoted as 3.3. I would be amazed if test drivers are regularly not hitting 60 mph in 3 secs or maybe even 2.9 seconds. It's not just the 0-60 times. Look at all the different acceleration scenerarios and very very few cars can live with it.
4. If you add all the options that are on the car you would be very close to hitting 20k anyway. The PCCB brakes and PDK along with Sports Chrono Package cost around 10k by themselves, so I think it is good value as residuals are bound to be stronger. Even once the 998 turbo is out, this model will still be the latest S Turbo.
5. Looks as always are in the eye of the beholder but I think it is a stunning car. I think just because the shape has not change massively over the years should not detract from the fact that is an excellent all rounder sports car. For me it's just perfect.
Edited by avster on Wednesday 10th February 16:35
Can anyone explain this;
stuff said:
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV) including a mechanical differential lock on the rear axle.
I was under the impression that torque vectoring was done by an electronically controlled diff- are they saying the 911 T s has a torque vectoring front diff and a mechanical rear LSD.. or something else?i'm no superhero said:
Fittster said:
Can you get one with an old fashioned gearbox (i.e. a clutch pedal)
PDK is progress.Johnspex said:
i'm no superhero said:
Fittster said:
Can you get one with an old fashioned gearbox (i.e. a clutch pedal)
PDK is progress.Galaxy Bob said:
The problem with this car is that it is an S.
When people ask what car you drive you will answer A 911 Turbo S.
To which they will reply, Turbo S? how is that different to a Turbo?
You will then go off on one explaining this, which you will, half way through they will have hanged themselves from the nearest light fitting.
Cant say i agree with this but it did make me laugh out loud. thank you and well done When people ask what car you drive you will answer A 911 Turbo S.
To which they will reply, Turbo S? how is that different to a Turbo?
You will then go off on one explaining this, which you will, half way through they will have hanged themselves from the nearest light fitting.
TWIN TUBI said:
Seriously This is just a pathetic face saving attempt by the German car company to build a 911 that's faster than a sub £56k 2010 Nissan spec GT-R. For £130,000 i could buy GT-R, cayman S and a Golf gti instead of this mutated Volkswagen beetle with its Nazi sponsored origins from WWII . German efficiency and innovation is only matched by the Japanese so why do they insist on being second best trying to perfect this outdated rear engined relic?
Could you imagine that not the "rear engined relic" is outdated but your mentioning of Nazi is?Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.
BSC said:
TWIN TUBI said:
Seriously This is just a pathetic face saving attempt by the German car company to build a 911 that's faster than a sub £56k 2010 Nissan spec GT-R. For £130,000 i could buy GT-R, cayman S and a Golf gti instead of this mutated Volkswagen beetle with its Nazi sponsored origins from WWII . German efficiency and innovation is only matched by the Japanese so why do they insist on being second best trying to perfect this outdated rear engined relic?
Could you imagine that not the "rear engined relic" is outdated but your mentioning of Nazi is?Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
BSC said:
TWIN TUBI said:
Seriously This is just a pathetic face saving attempt by the German car company to build a 911 that's faster than a sub £56k 2010 Nissan spec GT-R. For £130,000 i could buy GT-R, cayman S and a Golf gti instead of this mutated Volkswagen beetle with its Nazi sponsored origins from WWII . German efficiency and innovation is only matched by the Japanese so why do they insist on being second best trying to perfect this outdated rear engined relic?
Could you imagine that not the "rear engined relic" is outdated but your mentioning of Nazi is?Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.
By the way, for me, this car is a ten. Except for the cabriolet, which really isn't.
Not sure how people can consider a car with the dynamics and numbers of this new 'S' boring. Anyone feeling 'bored' is likely to have never experienced a ride or a drive in such an amazing machine. It boring is a byproduct of consistently outstanding results, then I guess this Porsche is boring.
All that said, and despite the performance, the TT has left me cold for years. Despite the hair-curling speeds, having the drivetrain and computer controls at all 4 wheels takes some of the fun, and adds even more weight to the experience.
I have infinite respect for the machine, and the people who produced it. But I'll wait for the GT2. That car, or the GT3 RS are the only ones for which I'd consider trading my 997.1S Cab.
All that said, and despite the performance, the TT has left me cold for years. Despite the hair-curling speeds, having the drivetrain and computer controls at all 4 wheels takes some of the fun, and adds even more weight to the experience.
I have infinite respect for the machine, and the people who produced it. But I'll wait for the GT2. That car, or the GT3 RS are the only ones for which I'd consider trading my 997.1S Cab.
okgo said:
What car is this competing with then?
How much is an R8/Gallardo?
Assuming brand new, ~115k+ for a reasonably specced V10 R8, 165k for an Lp560 coupé.How much is an R8/Gallardo?
This will out-perform both of those in performance and practicality.
Though with a far inferior sound to both, and (significantly) less sense of occasion than the lp560, also being worse off in styling to both; though the aesthetic gap between the R8 and 911T is debatable for some - I still think the 911T looks too dull for a 120k car, but I guess that appeals to a large portion of the target market, who don't want the attention.
fluffyducky said:
BSC said:
Could you imagine that not the "rear engined relic" is outdated but your mentioning of Nazi is?
Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.
Godwins Law. Always going to come in early when talking about Porsche... Why do so many comments on here refer to some Nazi stuff? And everytime to vilify either the Germans or German cars, designed vehicles, technology. As long as I follow gassing station I have never ever read a comment mentioning the british behaviour in the famine catastrophe. I will not compare Nazi crimes to other crimes, but I think Pistonheads doesn't provide a platform for both.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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