RE: Driven: Ferrari 599 XX

RE: Driven: Ferrari 599 XX

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TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

252 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Dagnut said:
I mean't the SLR 722 race edition(Am I just imaging that?)
Ah I didn't know there was such a thing! I know there was an SLR Stirling Moss, which was a roofless/windowless SLR but that's all I remember - could be totally wrong though, I usually am smile

The Milfman

1,107 posts

191 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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pgn340r said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Dagnut said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snoggledog said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snoggledog said:
Acid test then.. Will Flemke, Mr Bridger etc be buying one?
They are, afterall, the only billionaires in the world with a car addiction rolleyes
Ok. Fair point. Maybe it's just me but I can't see petrolheads with deeper wallets going for this. It smacks too much of a techno fest rather than a driver focused car.
It has to be put in context though.

You're a billionaire, so you already have a Rocket, an F1, an Enzo, every Caterham iteration ever made, any Lotus you want. So you have the "driving feel" part of your desire covered in any and every way possible. So what you then seek is something different, something quicker, and something challenging in a different way. And that's where this fits in.
I don't anything will get close to this around a circuit, Zonda F club sport-no,911 GT3 RS R-no, Slr 722- no, I'm struggling to think of anything that would even be in the same league
FXX or a Zonda R?
Caparo T1
Gumpert Apollo.

The Milfman

1,107 posts

191 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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TonyHetherington said:
Dagnut said:
I mean't the SLR 722 race edition(Am I just imaging that?)
Ah I didn't know there was such a thing! I know there was an SLR Stirling Moss, which was a roofless/windowless SLR but that's all I remember - could be totally wrong though, I usually am smile
It exists, Clarkson drove it one of his DVDs.

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

252 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Interesting, thanks thumbup

Dagnut

3,515 posts

195 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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The Milfman said:
pgn340r said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Dagnut said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snoggledog said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snoggledog said:
Acid test then.. Will Flemke, Mr Bridger etc be buying one?
They are, afterall, the only billionaires in the world with a car addiction rolleyes
Ok. Fair point. Maybe it's just me but I can't see petrolheads with deeper wallets going for this. It smacks too much of a techno fest rather than a driver focused car.
It has to be put in context though.

You're a billionaire, so you already have a Rocket, an F1, an Enzo, every Caterham iteration ever made, any Lotus you want. So you have the "driving feel" part of your desire covered in any and every way possible. So what you then seek is something different, something quicker, and something challenging in a different way. And that's where this fits in.
I don't anything will get close to this around a circuit, Zonda F club sport-no,911 GT3 RS R-no, Slr 722- no, I'm struggling to think of anything that would even be in the same league
FXX or a Zonda R?
Caparo T1
Gumpert Apollo.
Hmm could be...still reckon this will be quicker.

Skylinecrazy

13,986 posts

196 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Dagnut said:
The Milfman said:
pgn340r said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Dagnut said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snoggledog said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snoggledog said:
Acid test then.. Will Flemke, Mr Bridger etc be buying one?
They are, afterall, the only billionaires in the world with a car addiction rolleyes
Ok. Fair point. Maybe it's just me but I can't see petrolheads with deeper wallets going for this. It smacks too much of a techno fest rather than a driver focused car.
It has to be put in context though.

You're a billionaire, so you already have a Rocket, an F1, an Enzo, every Caterham iteration ever made, any Lotus you want. So you have the "driving feel" part of your desire covered in any and every way possible. So what you then seek is something different, something quicker, and something challenging in a different way. And that's where this fits in.
I don't anything will get close to this around a circuit, Zonda F club sport-no,911 GT3 RS R-no, Slr 722- no, I'm struggling to think of anything that would even be in the same league
FXX or a Zonda R?
Caparo T1
Gumpert Apollo.
Hmm could be...still reckon this will be quicker.
It wouldn't be as quick as a Caparo.

I think it would be faster than the Apollo though.


stuckmojo

3,022 posts

190 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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I wonder whether Sutcliffe managed to figure out if this is RWD, FWD or 4WD or not yet.

Shape Shifter

5,187 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Dagnut said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snoggledog said:
TonyHetherington said:
Snoggledog said:
Acid test then.. Will Flemke, Mr Bridger etc be buying one?
They are, afterall, the only billionaires in the world with a car addiction rolleyes
Ok. Fair point. Maybe it's just me but I can't see petrolheads with deeper wallets going for this. It smacks too much of a techno fest rather than a driver focused car.
It has to be put in context though.

You're a billionaire, so you already have a Rocket, an F1, an Enzo, every Caterham iteration ever made, any Lotus you want. So you have the "driving feel" part of your desire covered in any and every way possible. So what you then seek is something different, something quicker, and something challenging in a different way. And that's where this fits in.
I don't anything will get close to this around a circuit, Zonda F club sport-no,911 GT3 RS R-no, Slr 722- no, I'm struggling to think of anything that would even be in the same league
If I was spending that sort of money on a track day Ferrari, I think I'd have one of these (the one in the foreground).



It'd be a whole lot quicker and a much bigger buzz.

The Milfman

1,107 posts

191 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Skylinecrazy said:
Dagnut said:
Hmm could be...still reckon this will be quicker.
It wouldn't be as quick as a Caparo.

I think it would be faster than the Apollo though.
I suspect the 789bhp version (less than 1200kg) of the Gumpert will be quicker as it was designed with aero in mind rather than a re-worked (albeit heavily so with some genius gadgetry/electronics) GT and has more than 650bhp per tonne.

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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So for those of us not up on our latest Ferrari merchandising catalogues, does the forthcoming GTO mark a road-going version of this? I mean, it's a 599 GTO innit?

I like that Enzo himself used to despise the road car customers who paid for the race team, and now Ferrari's race team is nothing but a brand driver designed to put Ferraris into as many private hands as possible.



Edited by Gridl0k on Monday 22 February 16:26

vintageracer01

873 posts

177 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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I do not understand all this excitement.

Why great technology cannot be nice looking???

This thing is just plain UGLY! Why? They started with an ugly base shape and made an utter mess of it.




This is how Ferraris use to be!!! And there was a brilliant racing version, too. Even if you add all these contemporary spoilers and side-skirts to it the Daytona shape would still be elegant and graceful. It is not a matter of technology underneath.







Gridl0k

1,058 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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You say elegant and graceful, I say it looks like an SD1... potato, potahto....


Shape Shifter

5,187 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Gridl0k said:
You say elegant and graceful, I say it looks like an SD1... potato, potahto....
I think Daytonas look like hideous old trucks. There. I said it.




ApexJimi

25,144 posts

245 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Ye gods.

I love it yes

As Tony says, it makes sense from the perspective of the people with the means to buy it.

infradig

978 posts

209 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Just a thought about the 'not road legal' aspect,I'm sure to the superwealthy there would be quite a few countries that you could register anything you'd want for the right 'fee' then you could visit anywhere you wanted on holiday!

Wayne King

1,100 posts

195 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Gridl0k said:
You say elegant and graceful, I say it looks like an SD1... potato, potahto....
Agree.

flemke

22,884 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Snoggledog said:
TonyHetherington said:
Dagnut said:
The size of those brake disks!! if you had the money you would..
Exactly, and I think this is a point often overlooked on threads like this. We're not talking about people that had 1.5m dollars and decided to spend 1.1m of that on the 599 XX.

We're talking about billionaires.

It's the equivalent of you and I deciding to spend £10 on a toy.

So, if you could have the 599 XX for £10 - you would, wouldn't you?

But you'd also have a season's racing, a McLaren F1, an Enzo etc. etc. as well.

Ok, I take the point that it's not a road car or a race car; but it makes no apologies for that and, if we're honest, certain track specific cars often get used in much the same scenario, it's just that they have number plates on the front and some other compromises.
Acid test then.. Will Flemke, Mr Bridger etc be buying one?
Flemke wouldn't even consider it.
The "Ferrari" part of it is a deal-breaker in itself.
If we were to put that to one side, and imagine that this was a McLaren project so that there was an active affinity, still I would struggle to grasp what it would do to buy one.
If you want to experience new things on a race track, and truly to stretch yourself, you go racing. You can do a lot of amateur racing for a million quid.
If you want to be strapped into a device that will put you through extreme physical dynamics, you take up flying, or spend time on roller coasters.
If you're into beautifully-crafted mechanical bits, you buy a slightly older racing car.
If you want a car as an investment, you get something evocative, with provenance.

As others have pointed out, this is just a clever way for Ferrari to make a big margin on a largely sunk cost, and for them to get punters to put mindless hours on vehicles in what are in effect shake-down runs. The idea that Ferrari will be eager to debrief the owners and make use of their insights in order to develop future cars is risible. Okay, maybe the factory people would listen to what colour of instrument lighting the owners prefer, but that's about it.
They are plenty of (rich, in this case) people who want to rub shoulders with some factory racing folks, be invited to a day of 20 of themselves plus Alonso, have a private tour of the works, etc. If that's what turns them on, so be it.


flemke

22,884 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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infradig said:
Just a thought about the 'not road legal' aspect,I'm sure to the superwealthy there would be quite a few countries that you could register anything you'd want for the right 'fee' then you could visit anywhere you wanted on holiday!
True, but not many of us would wish to be in such a country in anything but a tank. tank

Vinny09

249 posts

194 months

Monday 22nd February 2010
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Mods - take note.

For this car the P.H. O'Meter needs to go up to 11...

biggrin

mulletmark

1,181 posts

225 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2010
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Well, I won't be buying one this side of finishing an oil reserve under my kitchen sink, but I think it fooking brilliant and hats off to anyone stupid enough to part with their hard earned for it.

FWDRacer said:
...Pure c*ck swinging IMHO. paperbag
If my willy was that impressive I'd be waving all over the place too.