RE: Audi RS5 Breaks Cover
Discussion
Koln-RS said:
spydersingh said:
Is it just me or do these new Audi's fail to excite anymore?
Correct.Audi are now the Marks & Spencer of car manufacturers - huge range, very competent, easy to live with, but somehow rather contrived, bland and predictable.
It's good business; if the car is outrageous/different/difficult, the market shrinks. Not many people want something different.
crisisjez said:
Hate to say it as I`m a fan of the shape, but its sadly lacking in the horsepower stakes.(And not at all futureproof) Have Audi learned nothing from their poor initial choice of engine in the R8.
This isn`t a `family car` so it needn`t be sensible, it should have had a proper torquey motor up front. That cars going to be a chore to drive at 70% (Which is where most of us drive)
Shame, should have been Audis take on the M6.
I personally thought they were going to use the V6 Supercharged engine and really spice it up.. Would probably be loads more driveable...This isn`t a `family car` so it needn`t be sensible, it should have had a proper torquey motor up front. That cars going to be a chore to drive at 70% (Which is where most of us drive)
Shame, should have been Audis take on the M6.
ewenm said:
Koln-RS said:
spydersingh said:
Is it just me or do these new Audi's fail to excite anymore?
Correct.Audi are now the Marks & Spencer of car manufacturers - huge range, very competent, easy to live with, but somehow rather contrived, bland and predictable.
It's good business; if the car is outrageous/different/difficult, the market shrinks. Not many people want something different.
Maybe Audi's new bi-line should be Drive an Audi and be un-exciting - but safe
E21_Ross said:
iluvmercs said:
The peak torque seems to come in rather high in the rev range.
Darren
people say the M3 is too low on torque, but the RS4 peak torque is actually it 5500 rpm, whereas the M3 (although *only* 297) gets peak at 3900, but 85% of it across 6500rpm band so it seemingly has more mid range. maybe that is the RS4's problem?Darren
i've been in an RS4 many times (thousands of miles worth) and it never seems slow when getting revved really hard, it still pulls well in any gear, maybe it's my imagination but the M3 just seems that little little bit quicker. not much though, but it does.
can only compare with the M3 because i've not been in a C63, just an RS4 and M3's.
My brother has a V8 M3, and (although down on torque), it's actually quicker on a rolling start in 3rd, starting from around 50/60mph. It's interesting you mention where the peak torque comes in in both cars. I've never known the exact rpm figure where it comes in on the Audi, but more the feeling during when driving. Thanks
Let's not forget the M3 also redlines later, too and the M3 doesn't suffer from power sapping 4WD system - mind you it does mean the Audi is much quicker in the wet.
Darren
Lil' Joe said:
iluvmercs said:
Lil' Joe said:
Darren, care to explain more on the torque issue's in the V8 RS4? I'd be most interested. 
Hi Lil' Joe,At certain times, I've just found the engine left wanting for torque, unless of course you rev the nuts off it. (OK, I know some people out there will be cursing at me, thinking that's the whole point of the engine.)
For example, a 50mph, 3rd gear rolling start with a friend in 350Z didn't result the pulling away I was expecting. However, changing down gears resulted in expect anhiliation
Maybe it's me being a tad lazy and picky, but it's quite nice, on accasion, not to have work the gears so much.
But being caught in the wrong can leave one with egg on his or her face
The peak torque seems to come in rather high in the rev range.
Also compared the C63 AMG it is massivly deficient on torque (by almost 140 lb/ft). I've driven a CLS63, and that was noticably quicker in the mid-range.
OK, the primary point just means you have put more effort in for the desired results.
But my second point became very obvious when behind a C63 on the track. It simply thundered away!
I would have assumed, given a new RS model with newer, more powerful V8, they would have increased the torque, too
Darren
Joe
It's a good point Joe
Darren
That's a pretty looking car but put yourself with £58k in the bank wanting a new car. When you spend that amount of money unless you're going for stealth then you are going to want something that can't be found in the car super centre for 15k in a 1.8TFSi format. You won't get that with the GTR, you risk that with the M3, and maybe the merc. But then you're into Jag or baby Aston's if you go second hand.
With the torque being so low this will need to be driven and though fun that is I am sure with that weight you're occasionally going to get a bit fed up with that.
I can't really see this selling many at all, of course I guess that's what audi want to some extent but with the RS6 out there which is just a savage beast compared to this I am not creaming my pants over this launch. You could of course get a Caterham and a very nice second hand diesel chugger and then nothing would catch you. Or sniff around for a Baby Lambo as that's an audi with italian brushwork.
With the torque being so low this will need to be driven and though fun that is I am sure with that weight you're occasionally going to get a bit fed up with that.
I can't really see this selling many at all, of course I guess that's what audi want to some extent but with the RS6 out there which is just a savage beast compared to this I am not creaming my pants over this launch. You could of course get a Caterham and a very nice second hand diesel chugger and then nothing would catch you. Or sniff around for a Baby Lambo as that's an audi with italian brushwork.
BBS-LM said:
The crown-gear centre differential sound interesting, 85% to the rear wheels, look like a similar set-up to the R8.
I think its type 3 torsen with an elctronic clutch pack, but could be wrongNew quattro technology: the crown-gear differential
Like all RS models, the RS 5 also applies its power to the road with quattro permanent all-wheel drive. As for the center differential, which regulates power distribution between the front and rear axles, Audi – the leading all-wheel-drive brand – unveils the next generation: a crown-gear differential.
The self-locking crown-gear center differential is compact and lightweight – and attains a high efficiency ratio.
Thanks to its package of plates, the differential can widely vary the distribution of torque between the front and rear axles. If necessary, up to 70 percent can flow to the front or as much as 85 percent toward the tail end. The 40:60 ratio of the standard rear-biased configuration ensures sporty handling.
This new differential operates in conjunction with electronic torque vectoring, which affects all four wheels. If one of the inside wheels becomes imbalanced while the vehicle is at its operational limits, then the system slightly decelerates the wheel to obviate wheel spin. This results in terrific traction on the one hand while generating a yaw moment which aids cornering.
As a perfect complement to the new quattro drivetrain, Audi can optionally position the sport differential at the rear axle. It actively distributes torque between the rear wheels in order to further boost stability and grip at the vehicle's limits of handling. The electronic management of the RS 5 sport differential was designed to be uncompromisingly dynamic.
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