Prepare your eyes - the Chinese are coming!!!
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Well the Chinese are quietly taking over and buying up resources all over the world, south america, australia etc... and starting to build hideous cars and heh guys, guess what who started it all by giving them the finance to do it…..ooooo let me think oh thats right it was Europe and America DOH big DOH!!!! ……the next 10 years will be very interesting indeed. I think people have also forgotten that they are a communist country still and not like Japan at all.
The chinese are not a very innovative people, they seem to copy what is out there and work hard to reproduce it, whether it be iphone copies, PC's, dvd players, none of those products I'd buy as they usually are tat.
So would you drive one of their vehicles? There was web site I was browsing recently (can't recall which one) where somebody took one of the recent chinese car offerings and found all manner of shoddy workmanship and short cuts, including rusty screws, screws missing, rivets missing, carpet not attached to floor, and the windscreen not completely glued to the frame.
So would you drive one of their vehicles? There was web site I was browsing recently (can't recall which one) where somebody took one of the recent chinese car offerings and found all manner of shoddy workmanship and short cuts, including rusty screws, screws missing, rivets missing, carpet not attached to floor, and the windscreen not completely glued to the frame.
Harji said:
The chinese are not a very innovative people, they seem to copy what is out there and work hard to reproduce it, whether it be iphone copies, PC's, dvd players, none of those products I'd buy as they usually are tat.
So would you drive one of their vehicles? There was web site I was browsing recently (can't recall which one) where somebody took one of the recent chinese car offerings and found all manner of shoddy workmanship and short cuts, including rusty screws, screws missing, rivets missing, carpet not attached to floor, and the windscreen not completely glued to the frame.
yes you are right, chinese are good at copying, you can see the cars they made are either a mixture of clones on parts, car A's headlight + car B's front grill + car C's rear shape etc.So would you drive one of their vehicles? There was web site I was browsing recently (can't recall which one) where somebody took one of the recent chinese car offerings and found all manner of shoddy workmanship and short cuts, including rusty screws, screws missing, rivets missing, carpet not attached to floor, and the windscreen not completely glued to the frame.
and joint ventures between manufacturers had made up a local made version as well as the imported version, but the they are a lot cheaper and worse then the identical imported brothers.
Harji said:
The chinese are not a very innovative people, they seem to copy what is out there and work hard to reproduce it, whether it be iphone copies, PC's, dvd players, none of those products I'd buy as they usually are tat.
So would you drive one of their vehicles? There was web site I was browsing recently (can't recall which one) where somebody took one of the recent chinese car offerings and found all manner of shoddy workmanship and short cuts, including rusty screws, screws missing, rivets missing, carpet not attached to floor, and the windscreen not completely glued to the frame.
Most of the electrical stuff you already buy contains a large number of chinese components and is probably assembled there. So you're buying it even though you buy known 'quality' brands.So would you drive one of their vehicles? There was web site I was browsing recently (can't recall which one) where somebody took one of the recent chinese car offerings and found all manner of shoddy workmanship and short cuts, including rusty screws, screws missing, rivets missing, carpet not attached to floor, and the windscreen not completely glued to the frame.
If I like the car, the price was right, it had good reviews and came with a decent warrenty package then I would buy it regardless of where it was made.
Some of the cars in this thread are pretty good looking. Pretty much like what every other manufacturer is putting out.
Where a car is made and how big the brand is is irrelevant. Some of the big brands these days are putting out cars with shockingly badly designed components and with poor reliability but people still buy it because they are blinded by the brand.
Some of the cars in this thread are pretty good looking. Pretty much like what every other manufacturer is putting out.
Where a car is made and how big the brand is is irrelevant. Some of the big brands these days are putting out cars with shockingly badly designed components and with poor reliability but people still buy it because they are blinded by the brand.
Considering the huge number of highly competent European, American engineers and designer's/consultants flocking to China these day's, I don't have a problem imagining the Chinese catching up a lot quicker than most people expect.
Look at what the Chinese were building 10 years ago compared to now.
It's important to keep an eye on the Chinese market since nearly ALL cars built now and being designed with Chinese interests in mind.
Look at what the Chinese were building 10 years ago compared to now.
It's important to keep an eye on the Chinese market since nearly ALL cars built now and being designed with Chinese interests in mind.
Harji said:
The chinese are not a very innovative people, they seem to copy what is out there and work hard to reproduce it, whether it be iphone copies, PC's, dvd players, none of those products I'd buy as they usually are tat.
So would you drive one of their vehicles? There was web site I was browsing recently (can't recall which one) where somebody took one of the recent chinese car offerings and found all manner of shoddy workmanship and short cuts, including rusty screws, screws missing, rivets missing, carpet not attached to floor, and the windscreen not completely glued to the frame.
Hmmmm, the bigger picture, I would suggest that it is the west that has copied most of the Chinese inventions..So would you drive one of their vehicles? There was web site I was browsing recently (can't recall which one) where somebody took one of the recent chinese car offerings and found all manner of shoddy workmanship and short cuts, including rusty screws, screws missing, rivets missing, carpet not attached to floor, and the windscreen not completely glued to the frame.
....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
Edited by andysgriff on Friday 22 April 09:44
jbi said:
Considering the huge number of highly competent European, American engineers and designer's/consultants flocking to China these day's, I don't have a problem imagining the Chinese catching up a lot quicker than most people expect.
Look at what the Chinese were building 10 years ago compared to now.
It's important to keep an eye on the Chinese market since nearly ALL cars built now and being designed with Chinese interests in mind.
Virtually none of the Chinese built cars could pass a European/American crash test. The Chinese aren't spending half a billion dollars/pounds/euros developing cars, they are simply creating pretty designs.Look at what the Chinese were building 10 years ago compared to now.
It's important to keep an eye on the Chinese market since nearly ALL cars built now and being designed with Chinese interests in mind.
They are cheap for a reason. Corners were cut.
If more manufacturers are competing, it just means we get more for our money. It's just stupid to say the Chinese will dominate this or that, are there any super cheap Indian or Korean cars in the top ten best selling of 2011?
1. Ford Focus (7,582 sold)
2. Ford Fiesta (5,844 sold)
3. Vauxhall Astra (4,510 sold)
4. Vauxhall Corsa (4,363 sold)
5. Volkswagen Golf (4,110 sold)
6. BMW 3 Series (3,184 sold)
7. Volkswagen Polo (3,010 sold)
8. Vauxhall Insignia (2,236 sold)
9. Peugeot 207 (2,171 sold)
10. Nissan Qashqai (2,108 sold)
1. Ford Focus (7,582 sold)
2. Ford Fiesta (5,844 sold)
3. Vauxhall Astra (4,510 sold)
4. Vauxhall Corsa (4,363 sold)
5. Volkswagen Golf (4,110 sold)
6. BMW 3 Series (3,184 sold)
7. Volkswagen Polo (3,010 sold)
8. Vauxhall Insignia (2,236 sold)
9. Peugeot 207 (2,171 sold)
10. Nissan Qashqai (2,108 sold)
remember that BS6 crash test?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M89J5aAIbjA
Brilliance made a few modifications to the car and sent it back to Germany for a retest only a few weeks later.
Here is the result..
http://www.autojunk.nl/2007/09/brilliance-bs6-twee...
It passed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M89J5aAIbjA
Brilliance made a few modifications to the car and sent it back to Germany for a retest only a few weeks later.
Here is the result..
http://www.autojunk.nl/2007/09/brilliance-bs6-twee...
It passed
d lovechild of a Rover 200 and old shape Astra.MrTom said:
If more manufacturers are competing, it just means we get more for our money. It's just stupid to say the Chinese will dominate this or that, are there any super cheap Indian or Korean cars in the top ten best selling of 2011?
1. Ford Focus (7,582 sold)
2. Ford Fiesta (5,844 sold)
3. Vauxhall Astra (4,510 sold)
4. Vauxhall Corsa (4,363 sold)
5. Volkswagen Golf (4,110 sold)
6. BMW 3 Series (3,184 sold)
7. Volkswagen Polo (3,010 sold)
8. Vauxhall Insignia (2,236 sold)
9. Peugeot 207 (2,171 sold)
10. Nissan Qashqai (2,108 sold)
Bets selling cars (not trucks) in the USA... these are March 2011 figures1. Ford Focus (7,582 sold)
2. Ford Fiesta (5,844 sold)
3. Vauxhall Astra (4,510 sold)
4. Vauxhall Corsa (4,363 sold)
5. Volkswagen Golf (4,110 sold)
6. BMW 3 Series (3,184 sold)
7. Volkswagen Polo (3,010 sold)
8. Vauxhall Insignia (2,236 sold)
9. Peugeot 207 (2,171 sold)
10. Nissan Qashqai (2,108 sold)
1. Honda Accord - 33,616
2. Nissan Altima - 32,289
3. Toyota Camry - 31,464
4. Honda Civic - 31,213
5. Toyota Corolla - 30,234
6. Ford Fusion - 27,566
7. Hyundai Sonata - 22,894
8. Hyundai Elantra - 19,255
9. Toyota Prius - 18,605
10. Chevrolet Cruze/Cobalt - 18,101
The US market is a far better indicator of global trends than the British one.
jbi said:
Bets selling cars (not trucks) in the USA... these are March 2011 figures
1. Honda Accord - 33,616
2. Nissan Altima - 32,289
3. Toyota Camry - 31,464
4. Honda Civic - 31,213
5. Toyota Corolla - 30,234
6. Ford Fusion - 27,566
7. Hyundai Sonata - 22,894
8. Hyundai Elantra - 19,255
9. Toyota Prius - 18,605
10. Chevrolet Cruze/Cobalt - 18,101
The US market is a far better indicator of global trends than the British one.
Both are made in Alabama.1. Honda Accord - 33,616
2. Nissan Altima - 32,289
3. Toyota Camry - 31,464
4. Honda Civic - 31,213
5. Toyota Corolla - 30,234
6. Ford Fusion - 27,566
7. Hyundai Sonata - 22,894
8. Hyundai Elantra - 19,255
9. Toyota Prius - 18,605
10. Chevrolet Cruze/Cobalt - 18,101
The US market is a far better indicator of global trends than the British one.
jbi said:
Korean designed, company is Korean and head-quartered in South Korea
profits go to Korea.
"Assembled" in Alabama
If it wasn't assembled in Alabama, it wouldn't be in 7/8th place though. Kia go to very great lengths in the US to show that their cars are assembled in the US. I've been past the plant in Montgomery and it is huge, with plenty of space to build more.profits go to Korea.
"Assembled" in Alabama
In fact, iirc, there was a bust up a few years ago between the Korean and Japanese manufacturers about keeping assembly in the US. I can't remember who it was, but it was made clear within their community of non US car builders of the importance of keeping assembly in the US. Keep thinking Honda laid down the law on the matter, but it was a couple of years ago.
Also, not all parts will be coming from Korea. Many of the components will be sourced locally in the US.
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