Cyclists without lights - something needs to be done

[anonymous-user]

Killboy said:

On today's episode of "Naughty Cyclists", we can see how they jump all the lights, and do not use cycle infrastructure.

The one at the front has already jumped the red light

In all seriousness this post of yours bears no relevance to the topic of the thread.

[Killboy]

cb1965 said:

The one at the front has already jumped the red light

In all seriousness this post of yours bears no relevance to the topic of the thread.

Not sure, you boys seem to be discussing it above.

But I'll take some more this evening.

[giantdefy]

I did a survey last night, journey from Aylesbury to St Albans and back ~1hr15mins.

Cyclists with no lights - 1
Cars with broken lights - 31

[anonymous-user]

giantdefy said:

I did a survey last night, journey from Aylesbury to St Albans and back ~1hr15mins.

Cyclists with no lights - 1
Cars with broken lights - 31

Genuine question - in what way were the 31 lights broken? Misaligned in which case I see plenty of those, but one or more not functioning at all I see a lot less of these days probably as modern cars tell you on the dash when specific lights are out.

[Killboy]

cb1965 said:

Genuine question - in what way were the 31 lights broken? Misaligned in which case I see plenty of those, but one or more not functioning at all I see a lot less of these days probably as modern cars tell you on the dash when specific lights are out.

I've seen a number of cars with taillights not working, and at first thinking they just dont have their lights on but then seeing the headlights on. Modern cars nearly all warn when bulbs are not working, so not sure why people are driving around like that.

[anonymous-user]

Killboy said:

cb1965 said:

Genuine question - in what way were the 31 lights broken? Misaligned in which case I see plenty of those, but one or more not functioning at all I see a lot less of these days probably as modern cars tell you on the dash when specific lights are out.

I've seen a number of cars with taillights not working, and at first thinking they just dont have their lights on but then seeing the headlights on. Modern cars nearly all warn when bulbs are not working, so not sure why people are driving around like that.

Yep, totally agree. As i said to yellowjack, I have a spare set of lamps in each of my cars and as soon as one goes I replace it.

[anonymous-user]

Nanook said:

Changing bulbs is a pain in the ass these days.

The rear indicator bulbs on my car are in the bumper, not the rear clusters.

You have to remove the read clusters to get anywhere near them though.

I changed the sidelights recently too. First thing you have to do is jack the car up and take the front wheels off.

Hardly convenient to change at the side of the road.

Yeah I have heard this about some cars and it's just daft frankly. Luckily mine are all fairly easy to change.

[Your Dad]

giantdefy said:

I did a survey last night, journey from Aylesbury to St Albans and back ~1hr15mins.

Cyclists with no lights - 1
Cars with broken lights - 31

How many cars and cyclists had high-vis? Please make sure you state clearly if the cars had high-vis AND deficient lighting as the OP had issues with this in his first post.

[FiF]

Killboy said:

cb1965 said:

Genuine question - in what way were the 31 lights broken? Misaligned in which case I see plenty of those, but one or more not functioning at all I see a lot less of these days probably as modern cars tell you on the dash when specific lights are out.

I've seen a number of cars with taillights not working, and at first thinking they just dont have their lights on but then seeing the headlights on. Modern cars nearly all warn when bulbs are not working, so not sure why people are driving around like that.

The end of the day though it boils down not to the method of the transport but the attitude of the person in control. It matters not, cycle, motorbike, car, van, lorry, bus there are some operators / drivers / riders use whichever term appropriate, who care that the vehicle is in good condition and, keeping it on topic, properly lit, carry spares, stop and fix it if a lamp goes, all the way through the spectrum to those who don't give a stuff.

A proper statistical survey would be needed to determine the proportion of each type, and as we don't have that random observations of numbers of offenders counts for nothing as we don't have an accurate count of each mode.

Meanwhile carry on in circles.

[Killboy]

FiF said:

The end of the day though it boils down not to the method of the transport but the attitude of the person in control. It matters not, cycle, motorbike, car, van, lorry, bus there are some operators / drivers / riders use whichever term appropriate, who care that the vehicle is in good condition and, keeping it on topic, properly lit, carry spares, stop and fix it if a lamp goes, all the way through the spectrum to those who don't give a stuff.

A proper statistical survey would be needed to determine the proportion of each type, and as we don't have that random observations of numbers of offenders counts for nothing as we don't have an accurate count of each mode.

Meanwhile carry on in circles.

Yeah, I agree. Twits on all sides of the spectrum. But this vilification of cyclists is at odds with the numbers I experience and I'll continue to prove it. The last thing we need is for silly numbers to be considered fact.

[nickfrog]

Killboy said:

FiF said:

The end of the day though it boils down not to the method of the transport but the attitude of the person in control. It matters not, cycle, motorbike, car, van, lorry, bus there are some operators / drivers / riders use whichever term appropriate, who care that the vehicle is in good condition and, keeping it on topic, properly lit, carry spares, stop and fix it if a lamp goes, all the way through the spectrum to those who don't give a stuff.

A proper statistical survey would be needed to determine the proportion of each type, and as we don't have that random observations of numbers of offenders counts for nothing as we don't have an accurate count of each mode.

Meanwhile carry on in circles.

Yeah, I agree. Twits on all sides of the spectrum. But this vilification of cyclists is at odds with the numbers I experience and I'll continue to prove it. The last thing we need is for silly numbers to be considered fact.

I agree, but the twits are a minority and at either ends of the spectrum where the terminally pissed off and those unable of critical thinking reside. Meanwhile the huge majority of road users behave well and are able to accept that attitude has nothing to do with the vehicle used, particularly as many use different types of vehicles and are therefore less likely to be biased.

[DoubleD]

giantdefy said:

I did a survey last night, journey from Aylesbury to St Albans and back ~1hr15mins.

Cyclists with no lights - 1
Cars with broken lights - 31

You saw 1 cyclist without lights, how many couldnt you see due to no lights?

[Kenny Powers]

If a tree falls in a forest and there’s no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Ares]

cb1965 said:

GOATever said:

Ares said:

In central London? With street lighting so bright it's permanent daylight?

Quite, you can see the roads in central London from space ( pretty much ) and I believe there’s a frequently overlooked stipulation about lights on vehicles in relation to street light spacing, which means that you don’t actually need lights in certain areas, if there’s sufficient street lighting.

These are the ultimate thread comments of the type that occur in all these cycling threads. No matter what cyclists do even it it's technically against the law it's always a non-issue, perhaps they'd like to extend the same courtesy to drivers when they go 10mph over a motorway limit... but no as then they'd lose the hypocrite argument which, as I said, ironically makes them hypocrites!

Anyway at least we've established lights are not needed after all as every street in London is lit up like the Singapore GP circuit, next time I'm there I shall be sure to turn mine off!

When has a cyclist berated someone for doing 80mph on a motorway.
When has a cyclist NEVER done 80mph on a motorway themselves?

You can take things out of context to suit your narrative, but it doesn't stop you looking like a bitter old man.

[Ares]

Killboy said:

cb1965 said:

I don't think we should be picky, getting them to use lights at all appears to be a big enough accomplishment in itself given at least some of them (as evidenced on this thread) genuinely think it's completely unnecessary so if they are using any type of lights let's just be thankful for that!

Who said that they are unnecessary?

CBeebies? (in seeking to firestart)

[Kenny Powers]

Wait...hang on. Cyclists also drive cars?! What’s this nonsense?

[Ares]

Killboy said:

will_ said:

Killboy said:

cb1965 said:

I don't think we should be picky, getting them to use lights at all appears to be a big enough accomplishment in itself given at least some of them (as evidenced on this thread) genuinely think it's completely unnecessary so if they are using any type of lights let's just be thankful for that!

Who said that they are unnecessary?

No-one said that, but it all adds to the myth of "what cyclists say" that gets repeated ad nauseum. Funnily enough when you ask for evidence the response is never to provide it, but to avoid having to deal with the fact that it doesn't exist.

But there is evidence in this thread that some believe its completely unnecessary. I'm sure it will present itself shortly.

....or you could present it. I don't recall ever hearing a cyclist (or anyone) saying that lights are completely unnecessary.

[Ares]

cb1965 said:

will_ said:

cb1965 said:

will_ said:

cb1965 said:

will_ said:

If a speeding driver complains about a cyclist not, for example, having lights because that cyclist has failed to "obey the law" then that too is hypocritical, not to mention irrational.

Is it irrational when cyclists complain about drivers not obeying the law when they routinely don't themselves or is that, as I suspect, different?

Oh sorry, I forgot cyclists never break the law do they?

No-one has said that either. Stop making things up.

The vast majority of cycling threads on PH start with or involve law-breaking motorists complaining about law breaking cyclists. You have already admitted that this is hypocritical.

Now, third time - are you going to answer the question?

Nope!

Thought not. Another pointless thread then.

I think your mob made it pointless on page 2 onwards so don't worry about it. If you think having no lights on a bike at night is trivial fine. Let's move on! I have work to do!

'Your Mob' made it pointless from the first post.

And again....no-one thinks having no lights on a bike at night is trivial (or unnecessary). Maybe stop trolling? Looks like your blood pressure will thank you for it.

[Ares]

cb1965 said:

Not cyclists in general, just the usual bunch of users on here who aren't capable of discussing any issues raised about cycling without becoming personal, petty and divisive in the hope the point of the discussion gets lost in the mire so as to speak. Not sure why they are so defensive unless some of the complaints raised have some truth to them of course.
!

Fairly sure that's your own reflection you see in your computer screen

[anonymous-user]

Ares said:

cb1965 said:

Not cyclists in general, just the usual bunch of users on here who aren't capable of discussing any issues raised about cycling without becoming personal, petty and divisive in the hope the point of the discussion gets lost in the mire so as to speak. Not sure why they are so defensive unless some of the complaints raised have some truth to them of course.
!

Fairly sure that's your own reflection you see in your computer screen

You knew who I meant then