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dibblecorse said:
A question to Butterface, are there many / any used Megane RS autos out there as its on the list but they seem few and far between, I know the manual is a purer car but I have an artificial left knee so manuals are out ...
Not many yet I shouldn’t think, we’ve got an EDC Trophy on the way but haven’t seen any stock in the country recently (not that I’ve been actively looking)I reckon it will drive really well as an auto, the revised box in the Clio Trophy was pretty decent and the Megane GT drove well so I think the Trophy should be lovely. The launch control is pretty awesome too.
You’re always welcome to come for a drive if you’re down this way (after August as that’s when it’s coming I think!)
Butter Face said:
Not many yet I shouldn’t think, we’ve got an EDC Trophy on the way but haven’t seen any stock in the country recently (not that I’ve been actively looking)
I reckon it will drive really well as an auto, the revised box in the Clio Trophy was pretty decent and the Megane GT drove well so I think the Trophy should be lovely. The launch control is pretty awesome too.
You’re always welcome to come for a drive if you’re down this way (after August as that’s when it’s coming I think!)
Thanks fella, where in Cornwall are you as we are regularly in Mawgan Porth I reckon it will drive really well as an auto, the revised box in the Clio Trophy was pretty decent and the Megane GT drove well so I think the Trophy should be lovely. The launch control is pretty awesome too.
You’re always welcome to come for a drive if you’re down this way (after August as that’s when it’s coming I think!)
dibblecorse said:
Butter Face said:
Not many yet I shouldn’t think, we’ve got an EDC Trophy on the way but haven’t seen any stock in the country recently (not that I’ve been actively looking)
I reckon it will drive really well as an auto, the revised box in the Clio Trophy was pretty decent and the Megane GT drove well so I think the Trophy should be lovely. The launch control is pretty awesome too.
You’re always welcome to come for a drive if you’re down this way (after August as that’s when it’s coming I think!)
Thanks fella, where in Cornwall are you as we are regularly in Mawgan Porth I reckon it will drive really well as an auto, the revised box in the Clio Trophy was pretty decent and the Megane GT drove well so I think the Trophy should be lovely. The launch control is pretty awesome too.
You’re always welcome to come for a drive if you’re down this way (after August as that’s when it’s coming I think!)
Red 4 said:
Integroo said:
No, I have met some absolute morons who are lawyers.
Me too.They are qualified morons though.
If you have nothing else to contribute to this thread or any relevant questions to ask, why not clear off and take your sarcasm and crap elsewhere as it's extremely boring and smacks of a bit of desperation for you to gain some attention.
Go on, off you go...
This has all got a bit 1950’s, hasn’t it?
So - there’s a difference between a profession and being a professional. I’m sure we’re all professionals at work!
Same for a “profession” vs. a career - they’re broadly synonyms these days, but I imagine way back when you could be a career salesperson but not be part of the “professional” classes like a teacher.
My 1950’s comment above relates to the “professions”, as I’m sure that list (doctor, teacher, banker, etc.) is somewhat out of date now - no one cares, and this is derailing an otherwise interesting thread...
So - there’s a difference between a profession and being a professional. I’m sure we’re all professionals at work!
Same for a “profession” vs. a career - they’re broadly synonyms these days, but I imagine way back when you could be a career salesperson but not be part of the “professional” classes like a teacher. My 1950’s comment above relates to the “professions”, as I’m sure that list (doctor, teacher, banker, etc.) is somewhat out of date now - no one cares, and this is derailing an otherwise interesting thread...
Davislove said:
Davislove said:
Question for OP or anyone else:
All other things being equal....what formula or price consideration is given by dealers to used cars loaded with expensive options? i.e is there much % retained value in big options like carbon brakes or big stereos?
All other things being equal....what formula or price consideration is given by dealers to used cars loaded with expensive options? i.e is there much % retained value in big options like carbon brakes or big stereos?
Hi Davislove, some cars will command a premium over others that have options, mainly stuff like leather, pan roofs, nice metallic colour, etc, not so much stereos and the like.
Some cars are hard work without certain options, Mercedes/BMW with cloth trim for example, some cars that have no Alloys etc.
On general run of the mill stuff, it's not too important, but high end, perceived as 'luxury' or Sporty stuff, then a nice attractive colour, wheels, and leather can make all the difference.
However, not everyone likes leather!
Some cars are hard work without certain options, Mercedes/BMW with cloth trim for example, some cars that have no Alloys etc.
On general run of the mill stuff, it's not too important, but high end, perceived as 'luxury' or Sporty stuff, then a nice attractive colour, wheels, and leather can make all the difference.
However, not everyone likes leather!
Red4, it seems to me that Mexman has been posting on here affably, helpfully, politely and mostly very interestingly for (as you note) 300+ pages, and I for one am inclined to give him a free pass for being human and coming out, under some provocation, with a measure of b
ks.
So, with all due respect, could you , er, let it lie?.
ks.So, with all due respect, could you , er, let it lie?.
captain grimes said:
Red4, it seems to me that Mexman has been posting on here affably, helpfully, politely and mostly very interestingly for (as you note) 300+ pages, and I for one am inclined to give him a free pass for being human and coming out, under some provocation, with a measure of bks.
So, with all due respect, could you , er, let it lie?.
Quite. I find Mexman's insights (and others) interesting and it would be a shame if he was driven off posting by some oik with some sort of chip on their shoulder. ks.So, with all due respect, could you , er, let it lie?.
Red 4 said:
Mexman - you attempted to gain some credibility for your "profession" by saying you had to complete a 3 day course.
You then called another poster a fool because he had studied and gained professional qualifications and "had letters after his name".
Apparently this was a waste of time because you think you earn as much as him.
Page 305. CBA multi-quoting your replies.
You clearly have no interest in this thread, other than to troll it. So with the greatest respect why don't you Foxtrot Oscar and annoy people somewhere else. You then called another poster a fool because he had studied and gained professional qualifications and "had letters after his name".
Apparently this was a waste of time because you think you earn as much as him.
Page 305. CBA multi-quoting your replies.
Thanks guys, apologies for the thread going off the rails somewhat, and me waffling on and trying to prove a point/settle an argument.
I am genuinely passionate about what I do for a living, (profession or not), and I know there's a lot of haters on here, for whatever reason, but when someone slates my job and what I do, without ever meeting me or conducting business with me, I tend to get a little excitable.
My apologies once again, let's crack on with the thread again.
I am genuinely passionate about what I do for a living, (profession or not), and I know there's a lot of haters on here, for whatever reason, but when someone slates my job and what I do, without ever meeting me or conducting business with me, I tend to get a little excitable.
My apologies once again, let's crack on with the thread again.
Mexman, I put a deposit on a car last weekend. The dealer has contacted me to say their want payment of balance a day before i collect the car. I don’t think this is reasonable given that I have always paid by switch on the day and they already have a deposit. Is this another new sales fad/tactic?
fido said:
Mexman, I put a deposit on a car last weekend. The dealer has contacted me to say their want payment of balance a day before i collect the car. I don’t think this is reasonable given that I have always paid by switch on the day and they already have a deposit. Is this another new sales fad/tactic?
We don’t take payments by debit card any more and expect cleared payment before the car is driven away by bank transfer, we always tell people this when they order the car so they should have told you this if it’s one of their terms.If they won’t take debit card then you can always transfer the money whilst you’re there but you’d have to wait for it to go through.
fido said:
Mexman, I put a deposit on a car last weekend. The dealer has contacted me to say their want payment of balance a day before i collect the car. I don’t think this is reasonable given that I have always paid by switch on the day and they already have a deposit. Is this another new sales fad/tactic?
Can’t see anything wrong with their terms of business there mind.Butter Face said:
If they won’t take debit card then you can always transfer the money whilst you’re there but you’d have to wait for it to go through.
No it wasn’t mentioned when I put down a deposit. I’ll try the above then. I have to bring a part exchange vehicle to them and rather do it all at the same time.Pommy said:
I get the concept of what you've convinced yourself but you still don't get it.
They couldn't sell cars straight away, they might turn up and inhabit a showroom but they might not have a personality that could actually have them selling. Anyone can put on a suit, breathe and talk but doesn't mean they'll be functional at the Job
No I'm not. I couldn't do it.
You’re not right unfortunately. I’ve seen exactly that scenario - people with no previous sales experience coming along and doing ok (no better than that admittedly) straight away. I did it! There are no qualifications that you need to sell cars. There are lots of characteristics that help, to be sure. Doing an FCA exam is not a qualification. I’d advise car sales execs to speak to financial advisers to glean an idea of what real FCA requirements are. They couldn't sell cars straight away, they might turn up and inhabit a showroom but they might not have a personality that could actually have them selling. Anyone can put on a suit, breathe and talk but doesn't mean they'll be functional at the Job
No I'm not. I couldn't do it.
The biggest problems i observed from all three of my motor industry roles is too little industry from execs, too little product knowledge, inability to think on their feet, and an utter inability to adapt their mannerisms to customers, also too high expectations from senior management who’d either never worked in sales, or did it so long ago there was no correlation to the modern game. Empty promises (even the tiniest white lie is remembered) made - too easily facile statements from execs keen to “close”. Some of the execs I worked with really did buy into their own hype. Interestingly none of them have succeeded.
Simonium said:
Pommy said:
I get the concept of what you've convinced yourself but you still don't get it.
They couldn't sell cars straight away, they might turn up and inhabit a showroom but they might not have a personality that could actually have them selling. Anyone can put on a suit, breathe and talk but doesn't mean they'll be functional at the Job
No I'm not. I couldn't do it.
You’re not right unfortunately. I’ve seen exactly that scenario - people with no previous sales experience coming along and doing ok (no better than that admittedly) straight away. I did it! There are no qualifications that you need to sell cars. There are lots of characteristics that help, to be sure. Doing an FCA exam is not a qualification. I’d advise car sales execs to speak to financial advisers to glean an idea of what real FCA requirements are. They couldn't sell cars straight away, they might turn up and inhabit a showroom but they might not have a personality that could actually have them selling. Anyone can put on a suit, breathe and talk but doesn't mean they'll be functional at the Job
No I'm not. I couldn't do it.
The biggest problems i observed from all three of my motor industry roles is too little industry from execs, too little product knowledge, inability to think on their feet, and an utter inability to adapt their mannerisms to customers, also too high expectations from senior management who’d either never worked in sales, or did it so long ago there was no correlation to the modern game. Empty promises (even the tiniest white lie is remembered) made - too easily facile statements from execs keen to “close”. Some of the execs I worked with really did buy into their own hype. Interestingly none of them have succeeded.
Yes, of course some can, as with any role there are always some who could go do it, but i totally refute the assertion that ANY and ALL can. It isnt a job anyone can do to the point where it works, they physically meet people and sell cars in such a way they make a sustainable living (or enough to keep their jobs)
I think you kinda confirmed as much in your post above.
Butter Face said:
We don’t take payments by debit card any more and expect cleared payment before the car is driven away by bank transfer, we always tell people this when they order the car so they should have told you this if it’s one of their terms.
If they won’t take debit card then you can always transfer the money whilst you’re there but you’d have to wait for it to go through.
Why don't you take payment by debit card any more Butterface? If they won’t take debit card then you can always transfer the money whilst you’re there but you’d have to wait for it to go through.
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