RE: Chris Harris video: GT86 vs 370Z vs Cayman
Discussion
bicycleshorts said:
A lot of people (not necessary my age) have cars on finance. If I needed a car for work, I probably would've pre-ordered one. As it is, I don't and I'd need to assess whether it's special enough for a weekend car, and worth the massive financial commitment at that.
FWIW, I had finance sorted on an Abarth 500 with higher monthly payments, though with a smaller deposit and no balloon. Unfortunately it fell off the four post lift during the pre-sale service!
I know two other people my age who are thinking the same thing, all it would take is a good salesman at Toyota/Subaru and they'd have 3 sales. From what I've seen so far, they're not up to the job of the car, which is sad.
But I've booked in for a test drive on Sunday at a different dealer, so will report back then.
ETA: Also, who (else) is going to go and buy them?
Ask the people who bought RX8s new
Where abouts in the UK are you? We have had a lot of success with the car to people of all ages down here in the South!FWIW, I had finance sorted on an Abarth 500 with higher monthly payments, though with a smaller deposit and no balloon. Unfortunately it fell off the four post lift during the pre-sale service!
I know two other people my age who are thinking the same thing, all it would take is a good salesman at Toyota/Subaru and they'd have 3 sales. From what I've seen so far, they're not up to the job of the car, which is sad.
But I've booked in for a test drive on Sunday at a different dealer, so will report back then.
ETA: Also, who (else) is going to go and buy them?
Ask the people who bought RX8s new
Edited by bicycleshorts on Thursday 16th August 16:08
PAULBECKHAM11 said:
Where abouts in the UK are you? We have had a lot of success with the car to people of all ages down here in the South!
Scotland.And that's great to hear! Even if I didn't buy one, I'd love to see this car be a success as:
- they will push other manufacturers to create proper driving machines
- they look better on the road than 95% of cars
- they will be good second hand buys
TameRacingDriver said:
They don't and of course not.
I'm just expressing my opinion, as are you.
No car is perfect though. This is designed to appeal to as broad a number of people as possible.
Personally I'd rather have seen a 4WD Celica and a new MR2, but lets be honest, wasn't going to happen was it.
I'm not sure it is intended to appeal to as many as possible. I think it's a very niche car. I love it. I've been wanting something like this for the past 10 years!I'm just expressing my opinion, as are you.
No car is perfect though. This is designed to appeal to as broad a number of people as possible.
Personally I'd rather have seen a 4WD Celica and a new MR2, but lets be honest, wasn't going to happen was it.
kambites said:
Hmm, I've driven a 350Z but not a 370. I thought the 350 was pretty rubbish, but have heard that the 370 was much better. I've not seen a review implying that its less agile before... I thought the 370 was meant to be lighter and generally much better to drive.
It's the other way round for me. I've driven the 370Z, but only passengered in the earlier car.I love the 370Z premise, but I was a bit underwhelmed by the reality. It feels quite agricultural in many respects (particularly the gearbox which is a real bicep builder); the engine has a reasonable amount of grunt but isn't especially exciting and the handling is a bit ponderous.
It's very difficult to make a judgement from the passenger seat, but the 350Z actually seemed to be a bit more nimble.
Have to say I agreed with all the comments in the video. In particular, the Toybaru's willingness to move around a little bit at relatively sensible levels of commitment rang a bell. It's a great car for the real world. Not sure I'd choose one over a second hand Cayman (or half a dozen other things), but that's a fairly moot point if you're in the market for a brand new car.
bicycleshorts said:
Scotland.
And that's great to hear! Even if I didn't buy one, I'd love to see this car be a success as:
- they will push other manufacturers to create proper driving machines
- they look better on the road than 95% of cars
- they will be good second hand buys
Well you couldnt be further away - but your welcome to come test drive ours!! And yes I truly believe its a very important car in this current climate, you can have sensible ish running costs and huge fun all for £25k and thats rare in new cars!! Get one and enjoy!!And that's great to hear! Even if I didn't buy one, I'd love to see this car be a success as:
- they will push other manufacturers to create proper driving machines
- they look better on the road than 95% of cars
- they will be good second hand buys
David1976 said:
Interesting that so many people think the GT86 will be cheap in 2-3 years time. Cheaper yes, but I have a feeling they will not be as cheap as people are expecting. Supply of these cars seems to be a problem with certain specs having longish waiting lists.
This. I think people will be tooling around in MX5s for a while yet.Although I think I would quite like one, I don't have £25K lying around. I don't and never will even have £10K lying around. I think the closest I'll get for many years is a blown MX5.
33 pages...
ohh i'll add this too
PAULBECKHAM11 said:
Well you couldnt be further away - but your welcome to come test drive ours!! And yes I truly believe its a very important car in this current climate, you can have sensible ish running costs and huge fun all for £25k and thats rare in new cars!! Get one and enjoy!!
agree with this i think the guys who are buying these will hang on to them for a while so anyone waiting for used down the line may have a long wait .. and ive ordered a GT86 . hopefully they'll be rare if no one wants them because there rubbish... ohh i'll add this too
PAULBECKHAM11 said:
Where abouts in the UK are you? We have had a lot of success with the car to people of all ages down here in the South!
any suggestions for getting my OH in one, i miss being able to borrow her MR2 Roadsteri thought about leaving some brochures lying about, but that's a bit obvious lol
Swordman said:
TameRacingDriver said:
They don't and of course not.
I'm just expressing my opinion, as are you.
No car is perfect though. This is designed to appeal to as broad a number of people as possible.
Personally I'd rather have seen a 4WD Celica and a new MR2, but lets be honest, wasn't going to happen was it.
I'm not sure it is intended to appeal to as many as possible. I think it's a very niche car. I love it. I've been wanting something like this for the past 10 years!I'm just expressing my opinion, as are you.
No car is perfect though. This is designed to appeal to as broad a number of people as possible.
Personally I'd rather have seen a 4WD Celica and a new MR2, but lets be honest, wasn't going to happen was it.
ajprice said:
Scion FR-S on different tyres - http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/16/randt-improves-...
Laptime of their track on standard Michelin Primacy: 1:29.3
Standard 17" wheels and Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs: 1:27.0
18" lightweight wheels: 1:27.6
Somebody in the comments makes the point that sticky tyres miss the point of the car, skidding the standard car make it more fun. The reply is "Except most US drivers aren't skilled enough to skid a car around w/o hitting something."
That's very very interesting. The Dunlop is pushing a track tyre, ala R888, just proves how grippy the Primacy HPs can be in the dry if they're only 2.3 seconds slower over a short lap.Laptime of their track on standard Michelin Primacy: 1:29.3
Standard 17" wheels and Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs: 1:27.0
18" lightweight wheels: 1:27.6
Somebody in the comments makes the point that sticky tyres miss the point of the car, skidding the standard car make it more fun. The reply is "Except most US drivers aren't skilled enough to skid a car around w/o hitting something."
I found a similar gap between the Toyo T1R and a full on trackday tyre: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Road-VS-Track...
jon- said:
ajprice said:
Scion FR-S on different tyres - http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/16/randt-improves-...
Laptime of their track on standard Michelin Primacy: 1:29.3
Standard 17" wheels and Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs: 1:27.0
18" lightweight wheels: 1:27.6
Somebody in the comments makes the point that sticky tyres miss the point of the car, skidding the standard car make it more fun. The reply is "Except most US drivers aren't skilled enough to skid a car around w/o hitting something."
That's very very interesting. The Dunlop is pushing a track tyre, ala R888, just proves how grippy the Primacy HPs can be in the dry if they're only 2.3 seconds slower over a short lap.Laptime of their track on standard Michelin Primacy: 1:29.3
Standard 17" wheels and Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Specs: 1:27.0
18" lightweight wheels: 1:27.6
Somebody in the comments makes the point that sticky tyres miss the point of the car, skidding the standard car make it more fun. The reply is "Except most US drivers aren't skilled enough to skid a car around w/o hitting something."
TameRacingDriver said:
I think what I meant was, its been marketed to appeal to the type who would have bought the likes of the last Celica, also women who want a pretty coupe, but also to the enthusiast, the market it is aimed at I think is quite broad.
There is nothing about it which would make it a problem to live with for someone who went into the Toyota dealer to buy an Auris and thought "what's that, I like it".
Dave Hedgehog said:
2.3s a lap is a lot, look at the chart of the cornering speeds and braking points, the difference is pretty big on some of the corners
Quick man maths says 2.57% lap difference. The difference does feel more in the car, you're right, my point was more to highlight the fact the Primacy HP has all the grip of any UHP sports tyre, which mutes the argument that Toyota chose "low rolling resistance" tyres to help the car feel more lively.OlberJ said:
FWIW, this may work in different parts of the UK where it doesn't in others.
As much as my Mx5 is fun and goes well through the twisties, i know, up here, it just doesn't cut it on the open and less restricted (ha!) roads.
The Mr2 on the other hand was a bit twitchy for the road with the short wheelbase and big engine but had enough go to make use of our well sighted runs.
I'd like the handling of the Mx5, the go of the Mr2 and a smidgin of practicality.
Surely a £25k 2+2 coupe should be able to supply that, no?
I think the dissapointment is that this hasn't quite hit the button on what could have been THE car for PetrolHeads wanting to only have the 1 car.
As usual I tend to agree olber, reserving judgement until next Wednesday when I get to actually drive one though.As much as my Mx5 is fun and goes well through the twisties, i know, up here, it just doesn't cut it on the open and less restricted (ha!) roads.
The Mr2 on the other hand was a bit twitchy for the road with the short wheelbase and big engine but had enough go to make use of our well sighted runs.
I'd like the handling of the Mx5, the go of the Mr2 and a smidgin of practicality.
Surely a £25k 2+2 coupe should be able to supply that, no?
I think the dissapointment is that this hasn't quite hit the button on what could have been THE car for PetrolHeads wanting to only have the 1 car.
I think the bottom line remains that if you want high straight line performance cheaply and must have brand new, you are stuck with a big engine in a cheap car - in other words, a hot hatch. If you are willing to buy used, or to live with less performance, you have more options. Same as it ever was, but at least now you have an option which takes that better platform with moderate performance niche and sees how much fun it can be made.
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