ULEZ charge in 2021

[Mandat]

whytheory said:

Having just swapped my car to dodge ULEZ it was cool to get a fine anyway, lots of stories of it happening to others with private plates, now down to me to prove my innocence! st system.

Don't be so dramatic. It's nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

If your private plate was previously on a non-ULEZ vehicle, all you need to do is show TfL that the new vehicle, which now wears the private plate, is ULEZ complaint.

I had this exact same issue when I changed cars last year, and it was sorted out very quickly with TfL via a couple of e-mails.

[lobster940]

youngsyr said:

Just saw some massive signs have been put up for the extension on the A12. Seems it's a done deal?

I'm not sure it is, or will be, a done deal.

Reports that TFL ordered £15 million worth of ULEZ enforcement cameras in April 2022 - before the ULEZ expansion consultation opened in May 2022.

When pressed, TFL insisted that this would be a 'contingency', even if the ULEZ consultation responses were in majority opposition (as they were) and TFL were forced to cancel plans to expand ULEZ (as they have not yet done).

Why would a cash-strapped TFL spend £15 million on equipment purely as a 'contingency'?

The implication is that TFL intended the ULEZ expansion to be a foregone conclusion, regardless of the outcome of the consultation - and this may be a key argument used in a judicial review of the scheme.

Am watching this space.

[swamp]

Meanwhile in Scotland, the Glasgow LEZ (their version of the ULEZ) goes live in just over two months but their online checker still hasn't been finished: https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/25321

[Laurel Green]

Essex Council BLOCKS Sadiq Khan’s ULEZ.

[Rockettvr]

lobster940 said:

youngsyr said:

Just saw some massive signs have been put up for the extension on the A12. Seems it's a done deal?

I'm not sure it is, or will be, a done deal.

Reports that TFL ordered £15 million worth of ULEZ enforcement cameras in April 2022 - before the ULEZ expansion consultation opened in May 2022.

When pressed, TFL insisted that this would be a 'contingency', even if the ULEZ consultation responses were in majority opposition (as they were) and TFL were forced to cancel plans to expand ULEZ (as they have not yet done).

Why would a cash-strapped TFL spend £15 million on equipment purely as a 'contingency'?

The implication is that TFL intended the ULEZ expansion to be a foregone conclusion, regardless of the outcome of the consultation - and this may be a key argument used in a judicial review of the scheme.

Am watching this space.

Many moons ago I listened to Red Ken Livingston on a radio broadcast about the then newly proposed Congestion charge. He was asked what would happen in the event that the public consultation came back against the charge - his response??? …..by law we have to do the consultation…….but we don’t have to take any notice of it!!!

[Dave Hedgehog]

Rockettvr said:

Many moons ago I listened to Red Ken Livingston on a radio broadcast about the then newly proposed Congestion charge. He was asked what would happen in the event that the public consultation came back against the charge - his response??? …..by law we have to do the consultation…….but we don’t have to take any notice of it!!!

i remember that, was on LBC

all the data they use to justify such schemes is highly 'tweaked'

[swisstoni]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Rockettvr said:

Many moons ago I listened to Red Ken Livingston on a radio broadcast about the then newly proposed Congestion charge. He was asked what would happen in the event that the public consultation came back against the charge - his response??? …..by law we have to do the consultation…….but we don’t have to take any notice of it!!!

i remember that, was on LBC

all the data they use to justify such schemes is highly 'tweaked'

I remember, on LBC, when the black cabs rumbled that he’d changed certain traffic light phasing so as to actually create congestion.
Which obviously then had to be charged for to reduce congestion.

Naturally he denied it.

[anonymous-user]

They are already covering the cameras near where I live, and the ULEZ doesn't reach us for another 5 months.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/u...

I assume that rather than having to install new cameras they are just using already existing traffic cameras?

[fatboy18]

Joey Deacon said:

They are already covering the cameras near where I live, and the ULEZ doesn't reach us for another 5 months.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/u...

I assume that rather than having to install new cameras they are just using already existing traffic cameras?

Nope, it will new scameras with network cables going to a private company to dish out the fines

[anonymous-user]

fatboy18 said:

ope, it will new scameras with network cables going to a private company to dish out the fines

If I am honest I don't care in the slightest as I have replaced an old Euro 4 diesel with a Euro 5 petrol. However I see lots and lots of late diesel cars who are not going to be happy.



I think it is a good thing to get these noisy, smelly, cancer particle producing cars off the road anyway. I saw an old 1 Series yesterday that sounded like it was near terminal and absolutely stunk, so hopefully that will be gone in five months.

[NomduJour]

Joey Deacon said:

so hopefully that will be gone in five months.

How long do you give your Euro 5 petrol?

Why didn’t you buy an EV if tailpipe emissions are your major concern?

[anonymous-user]

NomduJour said:

How long do you give your Euro 5 petrol?

Why didn’t you buy an EV if tailpipe emissions are your major concern?

As Euro 5 and 6 petrol emission are the same, a good few years yet.

I didn't buy one as I don't want to spend £40K on a car, I have nowhere to charge it and I am doing the Nc500 next month so an EV is useless for that.

Diesels emissions are just nasty, they stink and they sound horrid.

[FilH]

Joey Deacon said:

If I am honest I don't care in the slightest as I have replaced an old Euro 4 diesel with a Euro 5 petrol. However I see lots and lots of late diesel cars who are not going to be happy.



I think it is a good thing to get these noisy, smelly, cancer particle producing cars off the road anyway. I saw an old 1 Series yesterday that sounded like it was near terminal and absolutely stunk, so hopefully that will be gone in five months.

And like all the others in your boat, you need to look into it more, as it will effect you. Its already common knowledge that once this ULEZ system is up and running, it will be changed to Pay per mile type revenue grab, for every type of car, EV or child killing diesel powered...

[NomduJour]

Joey Deacon said:

they stink and they sound horrid

Is that a qualified scientific option?

Basically, you bought your least-worst option simply because it suited your (current, pre-road pricing) subjective circumstances.

Euro 6 Petrol:

CO: 1.0 g/km
NOx: 0.06g/km
PM: 0.005g/km

Euro 6 DIesel:

CO: 0.5g/km
NOx: 0.08g/km
PM: 0.005g/km

[DonkeyApple]

swisstoni said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Rockettvr said:

Many moons ago I listened to Red Ken Livingston on a radio broadcast about the then newly proposed Congestion charge. He was asked what would happen in the event that the public consultation came back against the charge - his response??? …..by law we have to do the consultation…….but we don’t have to take any notice of it!!!

i remember that, was on LBC

all the data they use to justify such schemes is highly 'tweaked'

I remember, on LBC, when the black cabs rumbled that he’d changed certain traffic light phasing so as to actually create congestion.
Which obviously then had to be charged for to reduce congestion.

Naturally he denied it.

The congestion increased overnight when they did that. Much of inner London's congestion is synthetic via traffic light phasing, junction disruption and the blocking of side roads.

If pollution has been killing Londoners then how many have been killed by these people who make that claim?

Road charging to compete against other forms of transport makes sense but they should be honest about it and free the roads back up of obstacles to return efficiency and drop pollution.

[Laurel Green]

swisstoni said:

I remember, on LBC, when the black cabs rumbled that he’d changed certain traffic light phasing so as to actually create congestion.
Which obviously then had to be charged for to reduce congestion.

Naturally he denied it.

I think it was later that Derek Turner(?) admitted they had done so.

[swisstoni]

Laurel Green said:

swisstoni said:

I remember, on LBC, when the black cabs rumbled that he’d changed certain traffic light phasing so as to actually create congestion.
Which obviously then had to be charged for to reduce congestion.

Naturally he denied it.

I think it was later that Derek Turner(?) admitted they had done so.

Livingstone flat out denied it when it was suggested on one of Ferrari’s ‘Call Ken’ sessions, back in the day.
I don’t know why I remember this random snippet, but I do.

[Laurel Green]

swisstoni said:

Laurel Green said:

swisstoni said:

I remember, on LBC, when the black cabs rumbled that he’d changed certain traffic light phasing so as to actually create congestion.
Which obviously then had to be charged for to reduce congestion.

Naturally he denied it.

I think it was later that Derek Turner(?) admitted they had done so.

Livingstone flat out denied it when it was suggested on one of Ferrari’s ‘Call Ken’ sessions, back in the day.
I don’t know why I remember this random snippet, but I do.

A true politician then.

[rallycross]

Joey Deacon said:

If I am honest I don't care in the slightest as I have replaced an old Euro 4 diesel with a Euro 5 petrol. However I see lots and lots of late diesel cars who are not going to be happy.



I think it is a good thing to get these noisy, smelly, cancer particle producing cars off the road anyway. I saw an old 1 Series yesterday that sounded like it was near terminal and absolutely stunk, so hopefully that will be gone in five months.

That’s only the old stters most of which will be mot failures soon.
This affects 100,000’s of car owners inside the M25 with perfectly smoke free non polluting quiet diesels like bmw 330d, smax fiesta and focus models with dpf’s.

[anonymous-user]

rallycross said:

That’s only the old stters most of which will be mot failures soon.
This affects 100,000’s of car owners inside the M25 with perfectly smoke free non polluting quiet diesels like bmw 330d, smax fiesta and focus models with dpf’s.