One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[Hol]

I’ll just leave this here...
I think we call all relate to it, most days.

[Riley Blue]

Riding a bike, taking a train or bus, even walking along a crowded street can cause an occasional expletive - why is driving singled out? It's a nonsensical idea.

[21st Century Man]

People parking in the customer car parks of businesses they do not patronise, extra knob points when the car park is busy and customers are circling and awaiting a space.

[Toaster Pilot]

21st Century Man said:

People parking in the customer car parks of businesses they do not patronise, extra knob points when the car park is busy and customers are circling and awaiting a space.

Extra knob points when they are issued with a private parking ticket and try everything they can think of / be advised by internet armchair experts to get out of paying

[21st Century Man]

Toaster Pilot said:

21st Century Man said:

People parking in the customer car parks of businesses they do not patronise, extra knob points when the car park is busy and customers are circling and awaiting a space.

Extra knob points when they are issued with a private parking ticket and try everything they can think of / be advised by internet armchair experts to get out of paying

And even more knob points for boasting on social media about having 50+ tickets that they have no intention of paying and will continue to park there because "Private land and unenforceable".

[Barchettaman]

HM-2 said:

Bobberoo99 said:

HGV drivers who tailgate on a 50MPH speed restricted motorway, i'm going the width of the needle over 50, there's another HGV on the inside of me which i'm passing so I can't move to the inside lane, i'm not going to move into the outside lane just so you don't have to turn your Cruise Control off, so why do you feel the need to still bully me out of the way?

Probably watching porn on his laptop.

Or making sure the prostitute in the footwell is properly dead.

[nonsequitur]

Riley Blue said:

Riding a bike, taking a train or bus, even walking along a crowded street can cause an occasional expletive - why is driving singled out? It's a nonsensical idea.

You called?

[Liquid Knight]

Climate extinction protest in Cambridge this weekend.

1/ Obstruction of the highway is an offence and they should all be arrested but the Police have warned drivers to expect delays or avoid the area.
2/ Cambridge traffic management and/or city planners should be tried under the terms of the Geneva Convention on a good day. Causing more traffic problems is an act of terrorism.
3/ Traffic jams to protest the use of cars is a futile and ridiculous endeavor.



4/ On a personal note ML500's are getting cheap. I wonder how big a bull bar I can get for one is.

[jamei303]

Liquid Knight said:

Climate extinction protest in Cambridge this weekend.

1/ Obstruction of the highway is an offence and they should all be arrested but the Police have warned drivers to expect delays or avoid the area.
2/ Cambridge traffic management and/or city planners should be tried under the terms of the Geneva Convention on a good day. Causing more traffic problems is an act of terrorism.
3/ Traffic jams to protest the use of cars is a futile and ridiculous endeavor.
4/ On a personal note ML500's are getting cheap. I wonder how big a bull bar I can get for one is.

Yes this had me wishing my V40 wasn't one of the few cars with a pedestrian airbag.

[Triumph Man]

Toaster Pilot said:

21st Century Man said:

People parking in the customer car parks of businesses they do not patronise, extra knob points when the car park is busy and customers are circling and awaiting a space.

Extra knob points when they are issued with a private parking ticket and try everything they can think of / be advised by internet armchair experts to get out of paying

I once left a car overnight near to a garage where my other car had been having some work done. It was dark when I parked and I didn't realise until I returned the next day that the spaces belonged to a little paint shop (no markings to suggest this), as they had left a note on my car. I was mortified and wrote an apology on the back of their note and posted it through the door. Hopefully they saw it! I did feel like a knob though...

[Triumph Trollomite]

Smart motorway designers are knobs.

Driving to Leeds on Monday night, gantry flashes from Nothing, 60, 50, 40, 20 - queues ahead written on the side thing. st this is serious. Naturally slow down to 20 as instructed but all the other tts carry on at 70.

Pass gantry, no speed restrictions - its ok i been on a speed awareness course, i know the limit is still enforced based on the 20. Another gantry, this is getting silly as all around are cars going at 70+ and now trucks are closing in. I stay my course. Another gantry, this time it is after a junction so i figure the limit is lifted as joining traffic are not being warned. Sure as st, no other gantry warning for the rest of the journey or any queues.

M62, Tuesday night. Driving up towards Leeds and get to just before the Hartshead services, it flashes 40 across the gantry, everyone slows down except hgv (professional kings of the kerb crawlers). Right up my arse is this hgv, we get to the next gantry, nothing, nothing the next, nothing the next, nothing the next, pass a junction, nothing to warn joining drivers - at this point everyone else ahs long since started to do 70+ and the hgv's are angered at my 40 so I speed up, next gantry nothing then the last one is set to NSL so there is a possiblity I've been speeding yet the probability that yet again the smart motorway is as dumb as can be.

[Drumroll]

Triumph Trollomite said:

Smart motorway designers are knobs.

Speed implementation is nothing to do with the designers.

Edited by Drumroll on Friday 14th February 14:59

[silverfoxcc]

21st Century Man said:

Toaster Pilot said:

21st Century Man said:

People parking in the customer car parks of businesses they do not patronise, extra knob points when the car park is busy and customers are circling and awaiting a space.

Extra knob points when they are issued with a private parking ticket and try everything they can think of / be advised by internet armchair experts to get out of paying

And even more knob points for boasting on social media about having 50+ tickets that they have no intention of paying and will continue to park there because "Private land and unenforceable".

Gents

While i can rest easily at night knowing that you willingly pay up without question any parking invoice that is on your windscreen or through the post, you have to understand a couple of things

The majority of these rapacious firms rely on mugs like you paying up

A lot of them do not abide by the very act of parliament they asked to be made in return for not clamping ( and we all know what a bunch of barstewards some were) and if they cannot print the invoices as laid down by LAW, IMHO and i think SteveS11 and pavarotti
would agree, then they should be challenged and in 70-80% of cases that are challenged they back down. This also applies to the various councils around the country who cannot get things correct even though they have had fines overturned by the Trbunal and still send out fettered and incorrect letters.
Why should we pay when they keep on getting it wrong?

However i.m of the opinion that whilst i will give some assistance or point the poster towards pepipoo.com for further and more informed help, in the end it is up to the poster to proceed or roll over and pay and keep these sh!tehouses in business
If the poster is complaining about a ticket that was issued correctly AND the letter complies 100% with POFA 2012 Section 9 then i will tell them to pay up.
Likewise the smartar5es who claim that ignore such tickets and find themselves in court having listened to their mate in the pub i have no sympathy

to give you an example

on 12 Dec 2018 i overstayed the 90 min free parking in a waitrose car park The signs complied and i fully expected a letter within 14 days as laid down by law The letter arrived on the 5th Jan So as a result they could not hold the keeper liable and could only pursue the driver

Section 9 also states that the letter MUST 'Invite' me to advise them who the driver was.It actually said you 'should' advise us.. so they failed on that,
I sent them a letter advising them that the letter did not comply with POFA 2012 sect 9 and they should either cancel the invoice or send me a POPLA reference where in all probability tit would be thrown out ( This costs the PPC £27.50)

I got a letter back in a week telling mt invoice cancelled and don't do it again.. which i have not. so two small errors saved me 70.00 and cost 30mins of my time

BUT if it had complied i would have paid


I just want the PPC and councils to do it correctly and if it means giving them a bloody nose helping someone each time they get it wrong then so be it

Edited by silverfoxcc on Friday 14th February 12:36

[Graveworm]

silverfoxcc said:

21st Century Man said:

Toaster Pilot said:

21st Century Man said:

People parking in the customer car parks of businesses they do not patronise, extra knob points when the car park is busy and customers are circling and awaiting a space.

Extra knob points when they are issued with a private parking ticket and try everything they can think of / be advised by internet armchair experts to get out of paying

And even more knob points for boasting on social media about having 50+ tickets that they have no intention of paying and will continue to park there because "Private land and unenforceable".

Gents

While i can rest easily at night knowing that you willingly pay up without question any parking invoice that is on your windscreen or through the post, you have to understand a couple of things

The majority of these rapacious firms rely on mugs like you paying up

A lot of them do not abide by the very act of parliament they asked to be made in return for not clamping ( and we all know what a bunch of barstewards some were) and if they cannot print the invoices as laid down by LAW, IMHO and i think SteveS11 and pavarotti
would agree, then they should be challenged and in 70-80% of cases that are challenged they back down. This also applies to the various councils around the country who cannot get things correct even though they have had fines overturned by the Trbunal and still send out fettered and incorrect letters.
Why should we pay when they keep on getting it wrong?

However i.m of the opinion that whilst i will give some assistance or point the poster towards pepipoo.com for further and more informed help, in the end it is up to the poster to proceed or roll over and pay and keep these sh!tehouses in business
If the poster is complaining about a ticket that was issued correctly AND the letter complies 100% with POFA 2012 Section 9 then i will tell them to pay up.
Likewise the smartar5es who claim that ignore such tickets and find themselves in court having listened to their mate in the pub i have no sympathy

to give you an example

on 12 Dec 2018 i overstayed the 90 min free parking in a waitrose car park The signs complied and i fully expected a letter within 14 days as laid down by law The letter arrived on the 5th Jan So as a result they could not hold the keeper liable and could only pursue the driver

Section 9 also states that the letter MUST 'Invite' me to advise them who the driver was.It actually said you 'should' advise us.. so they failed on that,
I sent them a letter advising them that the letter did not comply with POFA 2012 sect 9 and they should either cancel the invoice or send me a POPLA reference where in all probability tit would be thrown out ( This costs the PPC £27.50)

I got a letter back in a week telling mt invoice cancelled and don't do it again.. which i have not. so two small errors saved me 70.00 and cost 30mins of my time

BUT if it had complied i would have paid


I just want the PPC and councils to do it correctly and if it means giving them a bloody nose helping someone each time they get it wrong then so be it

You are conflating two issues. If you park unlawfully, it's still wrong and the wronged party often suffer as a result. Frequently you incur a debt (As you admitted in the Waitrose example). If the enforcers of that debt, don't do things properly you can prevent them enforcing the debt. That's still not paying what you owe, it's saying 2 wrongs mean you can avoid paying what you owe.

Edited by Graveworm on Friday 14th February 12:58

[21st Century Man]

Simple question: Were you actually shopping at Waitrose?

[Deranged Rover]

Second question: How high are you on people's dinner party guest lists?

[Hol]

21st Century Man said:

Toaster Pilot said:

21st Century Man said:

People parking in the customer car parks of businesses they do not patronise, extra knob points when the car park is busy and customers are circling and awaiting a space.

Extra knob points when they are issued with a private parking ticket and try everything they can think of / be advised by internet armchair experts to get out of paying

And even more knob points for boasting on social media about having 50+ tickets that they have no intention of paying and will continue to park there because "Private land and unenforceable".

And there’s always a lame excuse based around the parking company code of practise.

The same parking company that wouldn’t have been contracted in the first place, if not for said knobs.

[Toaster Pilot]

silverfoxcc said:

Gents

While i can rest easily at night knowing that you willingly pay up without question any parking invoice that is on your windscreen or through the post, you have to understand a couple of things

The majority of these rapacious firms rely on mugs like you paying up

A lot of them do not abide by the very act of parliament they asked to be made in return for not clamping ( and we all know what a bunch of barstewards some were) and if they cannot print the invoices as laid down by LAW, IMHO and i think SteveS11 and pavarotti
would agree, then they should be challenged and in 70-80% of cases that are challenged they back down. This also applies to the various councils around the country who cannot get things correct even though they have had fines overturned by the Trbunal and still send out fettered and incorrect letters.
Why should we pay when they keep on getting it wrong?

However i.m of the opinion that whilst i will give some assistance or point the poster towards pepipoo.com for further and more informed help, in the end it is up to the poster to proceed or roll over and pay and keep these sh!tehouses in business
If the poster is complaining about a ticket that was issued correctly AND the letter complies 100% with POFA 2012 Section 9 then i will tell them to pay up.
Likewise the smartar5es who claim that ignore such tickets and find themselves in court having listened to their mate in the pub i have no sympathy

to give you an example

on 12 Dec 2018 i overstayed the 90 min free parking in a waitrose car park The signs complied and i fully expected a letter within 14 days as laid down by law The letter arrived on the 5th Jan So as a result they could not hold the keeper liable and could only pursue the driver

Section 9 also states that the letter MUST 'Invite' me to advise them who the driver was.It actually said you 'should' advise us.. so they failed on that,
I sent them a letter advising them that the letter did not comply with POFA 2012 sect 9 and they should either cancel the invoice or send me a POPLA reference where in all probability tit would be thrown out ( This costs the PPC £27.50)

I got a letter back in a week telling mt invoice cancelled and don't do it again.. which i have not. so two small errors saved me 70.00 and cost 30mins of my time

BUT if it had complied i would have paid


I just want the PPC and councils to do it correctly and if it means giving them a bloody nose helping someone each time they get it wrong then so be it

Edited by silverfoxcc on Friday 14th February 12:36

I don’t park like a knob therefore don’t get ticketed, pretty straightforward really. You should try it - far easier on the old blood pressure than having to worry about that lot.

[silverfoxcc]

21st

Quite high as not many people know about pepipoo and the other minutiae of parking esp DYL restrictions ( do you know the difference between the highway and the carriageway?) but have made a note not to go to ones where you are invited lol

Graveworm. Don't think so

Councils send out fines and the wording on a lot of these 'official' documents is incorrect as respect to the law.

As ignorance is no excuse a Tribunal usually upholds the claim on various grounds Dates being wrong, using will instead of may,.wording is fettered.

Yes the person may will either directly or indirectly acted in an unlawful manner, but it is the duty of the 'prosecutor' ie council to make sure all their ducks in a row. If not the transgressor surely has every right to exploit that oversight. ( Nick the stars brief is pretty good at that) The sad thing is even though they ( councils) sit there at Tribunals and listen to why their error has made their case fall apart, they haven't got the brains to revise the wording so it is correct.and go through the same time and time again

I understand that an amendment to to Code of Practice for the PPC now advises them to give 'at least 10mins grace' before issuing an notice. Before that they were using nanoseconds over the time. This in effect puts them in line with Council guidelines.


And Yes i did shop at Waitrose along with M+S and Wittards .And Yes i knew i was over the time,BUT i knew that Britannia were worse than useless writing out compliant letters, so i took advantage of that fact. I take it you would have paid up with that knowledge.

I think they have now amended the wording to be correct, but still send out letters that arrive after the 15th day, thus depriving them of their right as laid down in POFA 2012 Sect 9 to pursue to RK, (IIRC Sect 8 refers to notices attached to the vehicle,and a different timescale applies) after that they can only go after the driver IF the RK tells them who it is and they are under no legal obligation to do so.
In Scotland ( and it may change soon) The PPC can only chase the driver, and although the letter goes to the RK they write back saying ',you need to contact the driver, and i am not telling you who it is'. That is Scottish Law whether you agree with it or not.

Edited by silverfoxcc on Friday 14th February 17:30

[Dadoc2001]

wker in the 330e who thinks he is Lewis Hamilton driving up peoples arses then swerving from lane to lane (without indicating) on a busy motorway. His bonnet was kissing my tail for a few miles and, once I was able to pull over, he was up the rear of the next car. When the motorway opened up from 2-3 lanes (inside a crawling lane) he booted it up the inside narrowly missing a tipper van who had been indicating and I suspect didnt see him as he manoeuvred and then cut across 2 lanes to the outside.

By the time we got to the next off ramp (yip back in lane 1) where we were both taking the exit he was 1 car ahead. tt