Are LR Velars selling?

[Catatafish]

The real winners are those that avoided this thread.

[anonymous-user]

Catatafish said:

The real winners are those that avoided this thread.

Have a for that

[hyphen]

Venturist said:

swisstoni said:

The real winner is the person who buys the depreciated car in a few years.

The real winner is the person after that person.
The real winner is the person who buys it three owners after them, and runs it for six months before it has to be scrapped.
The real winner is the person who can walk to work and doesn’t have a car at all.


I love these threads - so many people not realising that they’re just blindly supporting their personal viewpoint as the ONLY sensible one, with no regard for the fact that other people have entirely differing priorities to them.
To me if I want a new car for reliability for example, then a four year old car isn’t even in the running unless it is so cheap I could afford to just throw it away at the first hint of trouble. It’s irrelevant.
To someone else who’s looking for a particular balance of newness vs cost, the four year old used model is the obvious choice and a new car isn’t in the running.
To someone else who’s looking for the cheapest possible motoring then the only sensible answer is a £100 1992 Fiesta and a four year old car is also irrelevant.

That is less readable than the smallprint in the Velar lease contract.

[Countdown]

Countdown said:

I saw a Velar in the Car Park today. It was a bit “gangsta” as in all black with fairly heavily tinted windows. It actually looked very nice and unlike the previous 2 that I’d seen.

So it seems (to me anyway) that the looks are very colour-sensitive.

I still think an F-Pace is better looking though

I saw another one in a deep metallic red colour.

Looked great

[DonkeyApple]

Countdown said:

I saw another one in a deep metallic red colour.

Looked great

I saw one yesterday in dark grey, caked in muck and towing a trailer. It’s not the particular model you’d expect to see in that state but I do think they look nice and significantly lower than the Sport or FF. I really think the object of this car is to not only allow the FF to be moved up considerably in price at the next update but to also provide a visual link to the estate cars that are coming, which I think could be huge sellers seeing as I came up with the idea, on PH, of JLR building a modern version of the old Merc estate well over 10 years ago and am assuming I’m in for a commission cut on each unit?

[Digga]

For some reason, and this happened as the L322 FFRR was in production, Land ROver have done their best to deter customers from speccing teh tried, tested and well-loved dark green colours.

IMHO this is daft, but then perhaps they thing the blacks and greys more suited to their ethos of bling. Whatever, I've seen a couple of very dark metallic Green Jaguar F-Paces and they look utterly superb.

[Emeye]

They are definitely a marmite car - I have seen a few knocking around Manchester and I think they look dreadful - slab-sided and out of proportion.

Talking of JLR reliability - my friend picked up a brand new facelift Range Rover Sport a couple of weeks ago, and the screens were not working - the pop-out screen only came out partially and the lower screen flashed on and off constantly, for about 10 mins until it finally started working.

Mental on a brand new hugely expensive car - it is fixed now - I think it was a software update, but it took two visits to the dealer to sort - and they fitted mud flaps to say sorry.....

A guy I work with - his dad had a full-fat Range Rover, and he got so fed up with it breaking and being in the garage that he recently rejected it and refused to replace it with another - same with a director at the last place I worked - loved it when it was working but was fed up with the hassle so dumped it and bought a BMW instead.

I'm happy in the knowledge that when our 2003 XC90 occasionally plays up, it cost me less than £3k, but I still love driving it and not worrying about where we abandon it or what my wife hit with it...

[Granfondo]

DonkeyApple said:

I saw one yesterday in dark grey, caked in muck and towing a trailer. It’s not the particular model you’d expect to see in that state but I do think they look nice and significantly lower than the Sport or FF. I really think the object of this car is to not only allow the FF to be moved up considerably in price at the next update but to also provide a visual link to the estate cars that are coming, which I think could be huge sellers seeing as I came up with the idea, on PH, of JLR building a modern version of the old Merc estate well over 10 years ago and am assuming I’m in for a commission cut on each unit?

The seating position is considerably lower when driving which makes it un RR feeling.

[akirk]

DonkeyApple said:

Countdown said:

I saw another one in a deep metallic red colour.

Looked great

I saw one yesterday in dark grey, caked in muck and towing a trailer. It’s not the particular model you’d expect to see in that state but I do think they look nice and significantly lower than the Sport or FF. I really think the object of this car is to not only allow the FF to be moved up considerably in price at the next update but to also provide a visual link to the estate cars that are coming, which I think could be huge sellers seeing as I came up with the idea, on PH, of JLR building a modern version of the old Merc estate well over 10 years ago and am assuming I’m in for a commission cut on each unit?

Would agree with you (other than the commission - good luck with that one! )

I think that there is some interesting psychology going on with cars - when on the one hand estates get Haldex 5 systems and become 4x4 (like the Skoda Octavia Scout I had) and start lifting off the ground visually - and SUVs (I had a Kuga with the same Haldex 5 system) become lower and more car like - so visually there becomes very little difference - the scout had just under 7 inches ground clearance from memory (6.7) - a Tiguan has just under 8 inches... this link: https://www.biznews.com/motoring/2016/04/04/suvs-w... is very interesting... the V70 Cross-Country with 210mm ground clearance has more than an X5 / X-Trail / Jeep Renegade / Duster / etc. - which is the estate / which is the 4x4?

So, Velar as 4x4 v. a new LR estate - what is the psychology / which will be higher / more capable / does it matter?! As LR have already produced a 2-wheel drive Evoque - and with the height game being played - what will the difference really be between a 2-wheel drive Velar and call it a 4x4 or an estate?

It will no doubt all come down to marketing...

[hyphen]

DonkeyApple said:

I saw one yesterday in dark grey, caked in muck and towing a trailer. It’s not the particular model you’d expect to see in that state but I do think they look nice and significantly lower than the Sport or FF. I really think the object of this car is to not only allow the FF to be moved up considerably in price at the next update but to also provide a visual link to the estate cars that are coming, which I think could be huge sellers seeing as I came up with the idea, on PH, of JLR building a modern version of the old Merc estate well over 10 years ago and am assuming I’m in for a commission cut on each unit?

Any link as didn't realise these were in the pipeline? Are they actual estate cars or longer suv's?

Will make it easier for all these gangsters to transport bodies though

[swisstoni]

The colour choice for the Velar does look dire.
The FFRR has a slightly better colour palette (you can specify a rather fancy version of BRG for an additional £6k!)

[Digga]

swisstoni said:

The colour choice for the Velar does look dire.
The FFRR has a slightly better colour palette (you can specify a rather fancy version of BRG for an additional £6k!)

6 grand! Told you they were trying to stop people having green FFRRs!

I was actually told that, by the sales manager of our local LR dealer around 2008 when I was buying a Disco 3 at the time. I knew him well as our firm's always had at least one LR product on the fleet since '96 and he said the ethos, dogma, call it what you will, was to push people away from green cars...

[DonkeyApple]

hyphen said:

Any link as didn't realise these were in the pipeline? Are they actual estate cars or longer suv's?

Will make it easier for all these gangsters to transport bodies though

They’re going to use the new XJ floorpan. I’ll see if I can find the article.

So much of their capability comes from the electronics now that I guess they can build a pure road car and it still have excellent cross country ability with the only real loss being ground clearance for more serious off-roading.

[DonkeyApple]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/new-ro...

[2354519y]

Saw a purple one near Ibrox Glasgow on Saturday. Interesting choice. Last purple car i saw was an Austin Maxi iirc

[DonkeyApple]

Digga said:

6 grand! Told you they were trying to stop people having green FFRRs!

I was actually told that, by the sales manager of our local LR dealer around 2008 when I was buying a Disco 3 at the time. I knew him well as our firm's always had at least one LR product on the fleet since '96 and he said the ethos, dogma, call it what you will, was to push people away from green cars...

I like dark green cars. And that is probably sufficient for any company to believe that doing the opposite will be more profitable.

I remember a long time ago that simple folk and old ladies were scared of the colour green due to the love of witchcraft/voodoo/superstition among those who chose not to be educated.

But I can’t imagine either my taste or the fears of old ladies being the valid reasoning for this.

It must be economic and therefore related to financing. I wonder if it’s an issue with the artificial management of residuals to as to be able to better manipulate the finance deals? I’m pretty sure this is why the bulk of vehicles today are monochrome as colour seems to be penalised financially in some way?

Or is it unique to LR and a need to get away from the ‘green welly & polo’ image of the 80s that could scare modern consumers away?

[Digga]

DonkeyApple said:

Or is it unique to LR and a need to get away from the ‘green welly & polo’ image of the 80s that could scare modern consumers away?

Our local stealer sales manager, at the time, was a pretty decent sort and sold a lot of RRs. He told me it was more a deliberate move by LR.

At that point, I was about #8 on their waiting list for the soon to be released RRS and it was a switch to diesel (I had an Epsom Green petrol P38 Vogue at the time, which I loved) and also a switch away from offering anything other than one (crap) shade of metallic green that made me take his suggestion of buying a metallic grey Discovery.

[Brynjaminjones]

2354519y said:

Last purple car i saw was an Austin Maxi iirc

My 1998 Jeep is purple

[Emeye]

There is a lovely mid/light green metallic I have seen the odd old RRs in - that's the colour I would have a RRS or FFRR in (not an ugly Velar)- no idea what it is called, but it seems very rare.

[swisstoni]

It’s only a colour. LR ought to relax about it. It’s not like their customers are ‘old money’ much any more anyway. And they should be thankful for that - they would have gone under years ago.

If you configure a FFRR on the website in the BRG it looks great.