One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3
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westtra said:
Blown2CV said:
nonsequitur said:
Blown2CV said:
Liquid Knight said:
Blown2CV said:
on many audi automatics including mine, if you take the foot off the brake then the stop/start starts the engine back up. So, you are incentivised to stand on the brake like that, and the manufacturer is in some way telling you it's OK to do so.
Because stop/start takes up vital seconds from your journey. I understand now. Next time I have an Audi behind me at the lights I'll wait five seconds before heading off. Thus restoring balance in the world. The fuel saved must only be a tea spoonful.
Liquid Knight said:
nope, it's settled.westtra said:
No need to turn it off. Put car in park and release the brake pedal and stop/stays active and you are not blinding people behind.
Assuming you're stopped for more than a few seconds this would make more sense and be more relaxing than holding the brake pedal, shirley? I'm my manual stop/start I've got no problem sticking the car in neutral and handbrake on and can still get away from the lights as quick as everyone else can.MarkRSi said:
westtra said:
No need to turn it off. Put car in park and release the brake pedal and stop/stays active and you are not blinding people behind.
Assuming you're stopped for more than a few seconds this would make more sense and be more relaxing than holding the brake pedal, shirley? I'm my manual stop/start I've got no problem sticking the car in neutral and handbrake on and can still get away from the lights as quick as everyone else can.I was told you should never leave a car in gear with the clutch pedal down when stopped on the road. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the clutch you could roll into traffic. The time it takes to depress the clutch, select a gear and get ready to drop the handbrake is what the amber light is for. Prepare to stop, prepare to start.
I'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.
But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.
If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?
I'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.
But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.
If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?
Liquid Knight said:
Here's a thought. Maybe manufacturers could rig a system that turns the brake lights off if the speedometer is reading 0mph for five seconds. It's all integral these days so I'm sure it would be a straight forward software patch. You could do it via the dashboard diagnostic panel.
But that creates a safety issue whereby you're not showing brake lights when stopped, when for example there is no one behind you and you want to increase your visibility.Also, I'm pretty sure it would fail type approval as the brake lights have to operate with the service brake.
Audi have rigged a system whereby when you brake to a stop it holds the brakes on for you, meaning you don't have to hold the pedal for S/S. It still keeps the brake lights on, though on the model I had, if you then engaged the handbrake, the lights would switch off, but the engine would not restart.
Flibble said:
Liquid Knight said:
Here's a thought. Maybe manufacturers could rig a system that turns the brake lights off if the speedometer is reading 0mph for five seconds. It's all integral these days so I'm sure it would be a straight forward software patch. You could do it via the dashboard diagnostic panel.
But that creates a safety issue whereby you're not showing brake lights when stopped, when for example there is no one behind you and you want to increase your visibility.Also, I'm pretty sure it would fail type approval as the brake lights have to operate with the service brake.
Audi have rigged a system whereby when you brake to a stop it holds the brakes on for you, meaning you don't have to hold the pedal for S/S. It still keeps the brake lights on, though on the model I had, if you then engaged the handbrake, the lights would switch off, but the engine would not restart.
If visibility were that low and there was nobody behind you would have your fog light on or the very least tail lights (in general obviously).
I see your point though. It would be a simple case of making sure that if the fog lights are on the brake light does not go off. Again down to software.
Liquid Knight said:
Flibble said:
Liquid Knight said:
Here's a thought. Maybe manufacturers could rig a system that turns the brake lights off if the speedometer is reading 0mph for five seconds. It's all integral these days so I'm sure it would be a straight forward software patch. You could do it via the dashboard diagnostic panel.
But that creates a safety issue whereby you're not showing brake lights when stopped, when for example there is no one behind you and you want to increase your visibility.Also, I'm pretty sure it would fail type approval as the brake lights have to operate with the service brake.
Audi have rigged a system whereby when you brake to a stop it holds the brakes on for you, meaning you don't have to hold the pedal for S/S. It still keeps the brake lights on, though on the model I had, if you then engaged the handbrake, the lights would switch off, but the engine would not restart.
If visibility were that low and there was nobody behind you would have your fog light on or the very least tail lights (in general obviously).
I see your point though. It would be a simple case of making sure that if the fog lights are on the brake light does not go off. Again down to software.
Blown2CV - does the stop/start restart the engine if you put it in neutral and lift off brake pedal? That would be the solution if not.
Liquid Knight said:
If visibility were that low and there was nobody behind you would have your fog light on or the very least tail lights (in general obviously).
I see your point though. It would be a simple case of making sure that if the fog lights are on the brake light does not go off. Again down to software.
Blown2CV said:
Liquid Knight said:
Blown2CV said:
on many audi automatics including mine, if you take the foot off the brake then the stop/start starts the engine back up. So, you are incentivised to stand on the brake like that, and the manufacturer is in some way telling you it's OK to do so.
Because stop/start takes up vital seconds from your journey. I understand now. Next time I have an Audi behind me at the lights I'll wait five seconds before heading off. Thus restoring balance in the world. Liquid Knight said:
I was told you should never leave a car in gear with the clutch pedal down when stopped on the road. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the clutch you could roll into traffic. The time it takes to depress the clutch, select a gear and get ready to drop the handbrake is what the amber light is for. Prepare to stop, prepare to start.
I'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.
But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.
If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?
with the Audi system (and I'm pretty sure it'S Mini/BMW too) if I'm sitting at the lights in an automatic, with my foot on the brake, the stop/start kicks in and the engine stops. Now if as you say, I'm hit from behind and my foor comes off the brake, not only does the car go forward, but now the engine starts and it drives offI'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.
But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.
If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?
If I flick on the electronic handbrake, the engine starts again, negating the whole point of the stop/start
masermartin said:
Blown2CV said:
Liquid Knight said:
Blown2CV said:
on many audi automatics including mine, if you take the foot off the brake then the stop/start starts the engine back up. So, you are incentivised to stand on the brake like that, and the manufacturer is in some way telling you it's OK to do so.
Because stop/start takes up vital seconds from your journey. I understand now. Next time I have an Audi behind me at the lights I'll wait five seconds before heading off. Thus restoring balance in the world. i'm not fking putting it in Neutral
i'm not fking turning the car off entirely
every fking time i fking stop, in a 20 mile fking journey into a major fking city at fking rush hour.
Write to your fking MP. Write to the fking CEO of Audi. Write to whoever you fking want, but i am going to continue to use my fking car precisely in line with the manufacturer's fking instructions.
Hugo a Gogo said:
Liquid Knight said:
I was told you should never leave a car in gear with the clutch pedal down when stopped on the road. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the clutch you could roll into traffic. The time it takes to depress the clutch, select a gear and get ready to drop the handbrake is what the amber light is for. Prepare to stop, prepare to start.
I'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.
But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.
If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?
with the Audi system (and I'm pretty sure it'S Mini/BMW too) if I'm sitting at the lights in an automatic, with my foot on the brake, the stop/start kicks in and the engine stops. Now if as you say, I'm hit from behind and my foor comes off the brake, not only does the car go forward, but now the engine starts and it drives offI'm guessing it's the same with an automatic. Put it in park or neutral instead of leaving it in gear with your foot on the brake. If someone hits you and knocks your foot off the brake pedal the car could roll into traffic.
But back to the original brake lights dazzling the driver behind issue. Isn't that Driving without Due Care and Attentions or reasonable consideration of other road users? Especially at night.
If that's the case and there is no other way of doing it; why are Audi selling cars that can not be operated legally?
If I flick on the electronic handbrake, the engine starts again, negating the whole point of the stop/start
Blown2CV said:
i'm not fking putting it in Park
i'm not fking putting it in Neutral
i'm not fking turning the car off entirely
every fking time i fking stop, in a 20 mile fking journey into a major fking city at fking rush hour.
Write to your fking MP. Write to the fking CEO of Audi. Write to whoever you fking want, but i am going to continue to use my fking car precisely in line with the manufacturer's fking instructions.
What he said.i'm not fking putting it in Neutral
i'm not fking turning the car off entirely
every fking time i fking stop, in a 20 mile fking journey into a major fking city at fking rush hour.
Write to your fking MP. Write to the fking CEO of Audi. Write to whoever you fking want, but i am going to continue to use my fking car precisely in line with the manufacturer's fking instructions.
Hugo a Gogo said:
with the Audi system (and I'm pretty sure it'S Mini/BMW too) if I'm sitting at the lights in an automatic, with my foot on the brake, the stop/start kicks in and the engine stops. Now if as you say, I'm hit from behind and my foor comes off the brake, not only does the car go forward, but now the engine starts and it drives off
If I flick on the electronic handbrake, the engine starts again, negating the whole point of the stop/start
With the BMW system, that doesn't have the auto-brake; once the engine stop has kicked in you just push slightly more on the brake whilst applying the electronic handbrake. Then take your foot off the brake, no more blinding lights. When the lights change just apply some throttle or if you're on the motorway and the ACC is on, just let the car startup and drive-off for you.If I flick on the electronic handbrake, the engine starts again, negating the whole point of the stop/start
Blown2CV said:
i'm not fking putting it in Park
i'm not fking putting it in Neutral
i'm not fking turning the car off entirely
every fking time i fking stop, in a 20 mile fking journey into a major fking city at fking rush hour.
Write to your fking MP. Write to the fking CEO of Audi. Write to whoever you fking want, but i am going to continue to use my fking car precisely in line with the manufacturer's fking instructions.
I dont even own a car with stop start and I agree. Some people on here must have eyes of cave dwelling neanderthal who have never seen light.i'm not fking putting it in Neutral
i'm not fking turning the car off entirely
every fking time i fking stop, in a 20 mile fking journey into a major fking city at fking rush hour.
Write to your fking MP. Write to the fking CEO of Audi. Write to whoever you fking want, but i am going to continue to use my fking car precisely in line with the manufacturer's fking instructions.
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