Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!

[Liquid Knight]

Just inboxed the RS owners club Facebook page...

message said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Focus-Rs-Mk1-V5-Lo...

Anyone had a Focus RS stolen recently?

You're about to.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/204247

[Liquid Knight]

sleepera6 said:

Can someone explain ringing kits for me? Sorry for the amateurish comment

Not at all. Welcome along.

A ringing kit is any vehicle identity that is for sale. That includes V5C, V5 or older log book, number plates, VIN plates or some cases complete history files and other documents.

Whether sold with criminal intent or not.

Primarily our concern is these kits are used to change the identity of a stolen vehicle but could just as easily be used to hide insurance status, reduce mileage, make a vehicle tax or MOT exempt or elevate the value of a vehicle that once sold would be fraud.

[Liquid Knight]

sleepera6 said:

Ah. Clearly this is a criminal act! I see you are already notifying police

Via these guys...

https://navcis.police.uk/

...if enough information is available.

[Liquid Knight]

It's always worse if you click "See Other Items" and find they are a commercial breaker.

If they're willing to sell a Ringing Kit and thus aid and abet the theft of a motor vehicle how legit does it make the parts donors look?

[Liquid Knight]

Via the Morris Minor club page on Facebook.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292374082213?ul_noapp=t...



We're getting through people.

[Liquid Knight]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1958-ford-zephyr-logboo...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HOTROD-historic-vehicle...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-FIESTA-MKI-957cc-3...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-POLO-2010-Silver-V5-...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Series-2A-lo...



Just five of the five hundred plus listed.

[Liquid Knight]

spanky3 said:

I don't get how this is still on there despite being reported weeks ago. Ebay complicit in ringing.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Focus-Rs-Mk1-V5-Lo...

Yes. eBay are as much accessories as the sellers.

[Liquid Knight]

loose cannon said:

Liquid Knight said:

Ready guys?

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/204247

My petition has been approved,

Signed

Thank you and thank you all who have contributed to this thread positively or negatively over the last twelve months.

Every comment gets the thread moved to the top of the list so more people see it.

Thus raising awareness of it and what we are trying to achieve.

Thank you to those who seconded my petition and all who have signed it so far.

"Sign and share to show you care".

Thank you to everyone who haven't posted or forwarded to the thread but have been finding and reporting illegal listings covertly.

Thank you to the Police Vehicle Crime Intelligence Service...

https://navcis.police.uk/

...who haven't blocked my emails (yet) and acting on information I and we have passed on to them.

Thank you to eBay admin's for removing some of the listings, shame they haven't removed them all but it's not like their site is providing an outlet for criminal activity making them accessories to whatever crimes the Ringing Kits are used for at all eh?

Thank you to the Pistonheads Forum admin' team for allowing this thread to continue despite the number of site members (criminals) who have complained about it.


Oh just one more thing if you are reading this...

Merry Christmas

Edited by Liquid Knight on Monday 25th December 12:01

[Liquid Knight]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253314265178

Not only are eBay failing to remove these unlawful listings they are sending me emails to say there's £100 be discounted from the price.

[Liquid Knight]

Via the Morris Minor owners club page...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173061831744

...I thought I would have a bit of fun with it this time.



I'll let you know if I get a reply.

[Liquid Knight]

Fastpedeller said:

You'll find the seller contacts the Police, and in a few hours there will be a knock on your door - after all.... you've admitted it

That's a risk but it would also be self-incriminating. By reporting me he would also be reporting himself for the sale of the ringing kit. As I haven't nor have I ever stolen a vehicle the only evidence would be the items he has for sale.

[Liquid Knight]

Fastpedeller said:

Liquid Knight said:

Fastpedeller said:

You'll find the seller contacts the Police, and in a few hours there will be a knock on your door - after all.... you've admitted it

That's a risk but it would also be self-incriminating. By reporting me he would also be reporting himself for the sale of the ringing kit. As I haven't nor have I ever stolen a vehicle the only evidence would be the items he has for sale.

I was joking
Happy New Year

It was a risk I had considered.

Apparently the number plate was originally on a two door car so it could be a pre-ringered ringing kit.

No reply as yet.

[Liquid Knight]

One stolen car...



...one ringing kit from eBay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202155774682

One serious bloody problem we need to do something about.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/204247


Show you care. Sign and share.

[Liquid Knight]

See if you can spot this one...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-car-gentry-kit-...

[Liquid Knight]

It has been brought to my attention that the Mini featured in a recent episode of "Salvage Hunters Classic Cars" was a MkIV Mini shell with the identity from a MkII Mini Cooper ringed to it. Obviously it should have been re-shelled with a genuine MkII Heritage one to retain the 1968 identity but it's just another overly contrived tragic of television take it with a ton of salt car show that dilutes the industry and...


...I can't even be bothered to come up with an analogy.



Thank you to everyone who sent messages making me aware of this. Without breaching the forum naming and shaming policy the company who bought the ringer have been featured on this thread several times for selling ringing kits themselves "quelle surprise".

We all know it's wrong. They know it's wrong. I hope someone VOSA/DVLA will be at the Mini show where the ringer from the TV show will no doubt take centre stage.

[Liquid Knight]

Jazzy Jag said:

Out of interest, we're the original car or shell stolen?

Good question but in this instance the legitimacy of the shell doesn't really matter. Using the identity from an older vehicle to elevate the value of a newer one at the point of sale is fraud.

MkIV Mini 998cc is worth between £1,500 - £3,500
A genuine MkII Mini Cooper would be worth £8,000 - £15,000

Depending on condition, history, time of the year and other factors.

It's not only about stolen vehicles it's about criminals using identities to break the law.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/204247

Figures based on true market values. I have been told how much the Mini in show was sold for but again take that with a Ton of salt.

Edited by Liquid Knight on Sunday 28th January 11:31

[Liquid Knight]

Jazzy Jag said:

OTOH

They have an old, valuable car which is beyond restoration and used a new shell to repair it.

Inadvertently they have actually devalued the original.

As long as there is full disclosure to a new buyer, I have far less of a problem with this than people who sell scrap with a V5 and VIN plate.

To retain the identity it has to be a like for like replacement Heritage shell and all parts from the donor transferred over to the new shell. From what I have been told it wasn't even the genuine Cooper engine.

No Mini is beyond repair as every single panel and part is readily available.

All someone has done here is been too tight to buy a new shell or pay someone to repair the original one and ringed the identity on to a far, far; far cheaper 1980's car.

Criminal intent or not the law has still been broken.

[Liquid Knight]

That's enough trash TV talk. Time to get back on topic.

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.watson.568089/po...





Land Rover recently stolen from Rothbury

How many Ringing Kits are there under the search heading...

"Land Rover V5"

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/landrover-id-v5-chassis...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/land-rover-series-tax-e...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/land-rover-tax-exempt-p...

Only three? Wow! That's miraculous.

While I have a few minutes.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/range-rover-suffix-A-lo...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Range-Rover-2-D...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Escort-RS-1600i-V5-Log-...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KIT-CAR-LOG-BOOK-V5-197...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-Escort-V5-Log-Book-...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mk1-escort-log-book-v5-...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-MUSTANG-GT-CONVERT...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-911-CARRERA-4-C...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITSUBISHI-LANCER-EVO-5...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-ASTRA-VAN-1-7-...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TAX-EXEMPT-CLASSIC-MORR...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-1973-Alfa-Romeo...

....and finally from the tip of today's iceberg...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1963-MK1-MINI-COOPER-ME...

[Liquid Knight]

Fastpedeller said:

Stolen Escort
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/police-investiga...

Sorry for the owner - hope he's not charged with having illegal number plates if they find it!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk2-Rally-race-Log-Book-Reg-MK2-1800/253384105207

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Escort-Mk2-RS2000-Custo...

I don't fancy his chances much.

[Liquid Knight]

This guy...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-106-gti-log-boo...

...has loads of ringing kits for sale.

So I have sent a message about the 106 GTi one.

eBay message said:

My mate has just had his 106 GTi stolen. If someone buys this to use as a ringing kit can you let me know?

That will make you an accessory to the theft "after the fact" but that would be the case if you sold it to anyone anyway.

I can pass on your details to the Police and they can trace the buyer of your ringing kit and with any luck get my mates car back.

All the best.