Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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I think this one counts:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-ESCORT-1300-L-BROWN...
"V5 in my name and will be classed tax exempt April 2014"
"I would be happy to discuss sending V5 if required"
"the only thing I will send with V5 is a few wheel nuts"
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-ESCORT-1300-L-BROWN...
"V5 in my name and will be classed tax exempt April 2014"
"I would be happy to discuss sending V5 if required"
"the only thing I will send with V5 is a few wheel nuts"
wildoliver said:
Do you honestly believe car thieves are using ebay to buy V5s then stealing cars to order. Honestly?
For a start most of the V5s you flag up on this thread are for such undesirable classics you would need to be a moron of the highest order to steal that car to order. A reliant robin? Really?
Granted mini coopers and ford escort Mk1 and 2s to a degree possibly, easy to steal, easy to replate and easy to sell. But surely if you were going to do that you would go and buy a rotten resto project with cash, do the swap then sell on the rest/scrap it? Why would you create a paper trail with ebay if it all goes wrong?
If you really want to know the people that your frustrating it's the normal home restorers who are restoring a car for a bit of fun, now I'm not saying buying a v5 on ebay and using it to "create" a car from a load of bits is legal, but to be honest it's hardly a sin, these cars aren't 1/2 Million pound Bentleys and Bugattis, they are bread and butter stuff. Maybe the v5 is being used to try and escape the ridiculous IVA test, maybe at the outside it's being used to create a rarish car such as an RS2000, and in that case yes it's a bit naughty. But it won't be the only RS2000 that is floating around that left the factory as a cooking model, the experts can tell very easily if the shell is original and while an inexperienced buyer may get taken in have they really? If you buy a car that looks like an RS2000, sounds like an RS2000, goes like an RS2000, drives like an RS2000, has a shell to the same spec, the same trim, the same mechanicals and you believe it is real, is that really worse than there only being 50% of the cars out there (because I bet around 50% or more do have dubious histories) and thus being way out of reach price wise.
I know my words will fall on deaf ears, and at the end of the day your doing no harm, your technically doing the right thing and I suppose being a good citizen. But god the smugness on this thread is painful, just the title annoys me intensely.
But keep up the good work troops.
Not deaf ears at all. Undesirable classics, that are easy to steal, easy to ring and even easier to shift because fewer questions are asked when you buy an Austin Maxi (for example) than the fine toothed scrutiny when you try to sell something more desirable like your RS2000 idea. Even if you break into someones home and take the keys modern cars are near impossible to ring so with there being a bit of recession on at the moment criminals are looking for the easiest way possible to make money. If you can take and turn around an undesirable classic in a weekend for £1,000 - £1,500 no questions asked, why draw unnecessary attention to yourself trying to sell a car that attracts a Spanish Inquisition of connoisseurs? For a start most of the V5s you flag up on this thread are for such undesirable classics you would need to be a moron of the highest order to steal that car to order. A reliant robin? Really?
Granted mini coopers and ford escort Mk1 and 2s to a degree possibly, easy to steal, easy to replate and easy to sell. But surely if you were going to do that you would go and buy a rotten resto project with cash, do the swap then sell on the rest/scrap it? Why would you create a paper trail with ebay if it all goes wrong?
If you really want to know the people that your frustrating it's the normal home restorers who are restoring a car for a bit of fun, now I'm not saying buying a v5 on ebay and using it to "create" a car from a load of bits is legal, but to be honest it's hardly a sin, these cars aren't 1/2 Million pound Bentleys and Bugattis, they are bread and butter stuff. Maybe the v5 is being used to try and escape the ridiculous IVA test, maybe at the outside it's being used to create a rarish car such as an RS2000, and in that case yes it's a bit naughty. But it won't be the only RS2000 that is floating around that left the factory as a cooking model, the experts can tell very easily if the shell is original and while an inexperienced buyer may get taken in have they really? If you buy a car that looks like an RS2000, sounds like an RS2000, goes like an RS2000, drives like an RS2000, has a shell to the same spec, the same trim, the same mechanicals and you believe it is real, is that really worse than there only being 50% of the cars out there (because I bet around 50% or more do have dubious histories) and thus being way out of reach price wise.
I know my words will fall on deaf ears, and at the end of the day your doing no harm, your technically doing the right thing and I suppose being a good citizen. But god the smugness on this thread is painful, just the title annoys me intensely.
But keep up the good work troops.
The Reliant identity could be used to put a death trap trike on the road and the occasional kit car identity could be used to bypass the IVA/SVA so by flagging those you could literally save someones life.
Why post them here? Strength in numbers. If I report an item alone chances are eBay will take it under advisement but if the Pistonheads collective report the item eBay can't ignore it. The number of reports an item gets moves it further up the cue. The moderators at eBay get up to a thousand reports an hour and to prioritise these they use a similar algorithm as a search engine.
As I've pointed out before the idea of this thread is to be helpful and not smug I'm sorry if that's the way it comes across. The title was changed by the moderators to a more generic one as I started the tread with a MkI Escort identity and it's moved on and evolved from there.
TheEnd said:
You could just report them to ebay, and not tell everyone on PH.
Thing is, we DON'T tell everyone on PH, we tell the people that click on the thread title, knowing full well what the subject matter is about, and that they think it's pointless, and we're trying to be 'internet police', but still read it's content despite the fact it offers them no gratification and doesn't make their life any more fulfilling, and THEN even take time to reply in the thread to that fact.Sorry, who is the sad, smug person that needs to get a life again?
Liquid Knight said:
.... and the occasional kit car identity could be used to bypass the IVA/SVA so by flagging those you could literally save someone's life.
But, and I've posted this before, some of us are perhaps intent on creating a car that no longer exists, just from a historical perspective. I did it, and believe me, this was no cut-and-shut heap of faeces but a car that cost me well into six figures, which passed an MOT with flying colours and which on top has its FIA race papers. To conclude, Lord March was so enamoured it was invited twice to Goodwood, both the Revival and Festival, and was driven by Sir Stirling. If you lot had had your say, the car could never have been built, and I find that a shame for posterity.I have specialised in writing about Jaguar replicas, such as C and D types or SS100, and if such cars are forced to undergo the IVA test then they cannot exist, so you stop people fulfilling their dream. One only has to look at the latest Proteus C-type to understand the problems of the IVA - all 203 pages of it - and classic cars. Fuel injection instead of carburettors, catalyser, and so on.
Perhaps you think you are doing good, but personally I am with wildoliver in much of what he says. The real thieves and ne'er-do-wells are out there, but not buying from Ebay. Now my E-type is going to undertake its second full restoration over the winter. It'll have new suspension parts, it'll have new engine frames because they will probably have gone rusty on the inside after 25 years, new wiring loom, and much of the running gear will be renovated/replaced. In other words, it will not be the same car; well, not completely. It's had accidents in its 32 years in my hands, leading to a new door and bonnet for instance, so in fact very little of the car is original, but it is an rolling restoration, because things wear out all the time and perhaps 15% of the car is now original from the day it left the factory. In fact make that less, but then I don't care - it's still my car and I love it. The woodman's axe, or more recently a trigger's broom.
But if you lot had had your way, one valuable historic replica would never have given employment to the people who built it, and more importantly, never given pleasure to hundreds of thousands who have seen it since.
You surely should take a step back, draw a deep breath and stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Edited by lowdrag on Tuesday 28th May 16:15
lowdrag said:
Liquid Knight said:
.... and the occasional kit car identity could be used to bypass the IVA/SVA so by flagging those you could literally save someone's life.
The real thieves and ne'er-do-wells are out there, but not buying from Ebay.
t.Explain to me why the logbooks and VIN plates of Series Land Rovers, Tax Exempt Minis, any Classic Ford, and pretty much any tax-exempt ID sell on eBay goes for hundreds of pounds, if not being used for ringing or tax-evasion purposes.
I will be perfectly frank with you Dan, someone re-IDing a 1973 Beetle to make it tax free doesnt bother me in the slightest. I also suspect that few stolen cars are legitimised this way too, as only a fool would use an identity which had been openly advertised for sale in this manner.
GC8 said:
I will be perfectly frank with you Dan, someone re-IDing a 1973 Beetle to make it tax free doesnt bother me in the slightest. I also suspect that few stolen cars are legitimised this way too, as only a fool would use an identity which had been openly advertised for sale in this manner.
Which is why the IDs are often never revealed in the adverts, no 'paper' trail.lowdrag said:
Liquid Knight said:
.... and the occasional kit car identity could be used to bypass the IVA/SVA so by flagging those you could literally save someone's life.
But, and I've posted this before, some of us are perhaps intent on creating a car that no longer exists, just from a historical perspective. I did it, and believe me, this was no cut-and-shut heap of faeces but a car that cost me well into six figures, which passed an MOT with flying colours and which on top has its FIA race papers. To conclude, Lord March was so enamoured it was invited twice to Goodwood, both the Revival and Festival, and was driven by Sir Stirling. If you lot had had your say, the car could never have been built, and I find that a shame for posterity.I have specialised in writing about Jaguar replicas, such as C and D types or SS100, and if such cars are forced to undergo the IVA test then they cannot exist, so you stop people fulfilling their dream. One only has to look at the latest Proteus C-type to understand the problems of the IVA - all 203 pages of it - and classic cars. Fuel injection instead of carburettors, catalyser, and so on.
Perhaps you think you are doing good, but personally I am with wildoliver in much of what he says. The real thieves and ne'er-do-wells are out there, but not buying from Ebay. Now my E-type is going to undertake its second full restoration over the winter. It'll have new suspension parts, it'll have new engine frames because they will probably have gone rusty on the inside after 25 years, new wiring loom, and much of the running gear will be renovated/replaced. In other words, it will not be the same car; well, not completely. It's had accidents in its 32 years in my hands, leading to a new door and bonnet for instance, so in fact very little of the car is original, but it is an rolling restoration, because things wear out all the time and perhaps 15% of the car is now original from the day it left the factory. In fact make that less, but then I don't care - it's still my car and I love it. The woodman's axe, or more recently a trigger's broom.
But if you lot had had your way, one valuable historic replica would never have given employment to the people who built it, and more importantly, never given pleasure to hundreds of thousands who have seen it since.
You surely should take a step back, draw a deep breath and stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
If you're suggesting a C, D or E Type replica based on an XJS for example should be kept off the road because the IVA/SVA/DVLA are a bunch of arses, I agree but using the identity from an older vehicle wouldn't solve any of those issues. The car would be flagged and go through the whole process whatever happens so you may as well suck it up and get on with it.
I think it would help if you actually read my post and didn't talk from a different page. This was not an existing car, but one built from scratch to replicate a long lost car which hadn't been seen for over 50 years. If, as you seem intent on doing, it were treated as a new build it should have followed the IVA route and then it couldn't have been built. Getting identities back for a car not on the database when implemented in 1983 is not in question here, but buying a wreck and constructing a new car around the chassis/engine/suspension/the rest has been going on since I have been in the classic car world - and that's over 30 years. It applies to every make and marque under the sun. You only have to do an internet search to find Ferrari, Lotus, Jaguar and whatever replicas for sale with registration papers. We are a nation - apart from you lot it seems - of car lovers, and oil and grease runs deep in our veins. In France here, not one replica can be registered because it hasn't been crash-tested, and the French think they are a poorer nation for it, lamenting the ability to build a Cobra, an SS100, A C-type or D-type replica with which they can live out their dreams. Ye Gods, my Mercedes is from the year 2000, doesn't conform to any of the build requirements of today, so do you wish that to be consigned to the scrapheap too? There is one word for you lot - Luddites. You can't see the wood for the trees. I think your profile says more than I can
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Previously owned: Daihatsu Doimino and Suzuki Wagon R
Web site: Doesn't seem to exist.
Your threads: Only three threads started yet over 10,000 posts in 4 years, including "Using the Mrs. to sell your car" and "One for the girls, best and worst car".
You really must lead a sad life. Try and get a real one.
Occupation; Super Hero
Current fleet: Fiat Panda
Previously owned: Daihatsu Doimino and Suzuki Wagon R
Web site: Doesn't seem to exist.
Your threads: Only three threads started yet over 10,000 posts in 4 years, including "Using the Mrs. to sell your car" and "One for the girls, best and worst car".
You really must lead a sad life. Try and get a real one.
lowdrag said:
You really must lead a sad life. Try and get a real one.
How egregious coming from someone who views, cherry picks and quotes profiles digging for an insult.
I don't mind because the more entries the thread gets the more times it's bumped, more people view it and like minded or not the issues are highlighted to a bigger audience.
shakotan said:
wildoliver said:
I'm sorry but your deluded.
Well meaning granted but deluded.
However you have as much right to free speech as I, so good luck with your thread and I'll bow out of it.
Ask yourself this question.Well meaning granted but deluded.
However you have as much right to free speech as I, so good luck with your thread and I'll bow out of it.
If they are so obscure and valueless, why are people bidding on them?
shakotan said:
TheEnd said:
You could just report them to ebay, and not tell everyone on PH.
Thing is, we DON'T tell everyone on PH, we tell the people that click on the thread title, knowing full well what the subject matter is about, and that they think it's pointless, and we're trying to be 'internet police', but still read it's content despite the fact it offers them no gratification and doesn't make their life any more fulfilling, and THEN even take time to reply in the thread to that fact.Sorry, who is the sad, smug person that needs to get a life again?
Series One Land Rover...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-SERIES-1-1957...
...looks like a commercial breaker so they should know better.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-SERIES-1-1957...
...looks like a commercial breaker so they should know better.
These guys have a similar ethos to us...
https://www.facebook.com/itsbeenstolen
...sadly after the fact but I'm sure we can help here as well.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2902841911...
That is disturbingly similar to a listing I had removed today.
https://www.facebook.com/itsbeenstolen
...sadly after the fact but I'm sure we can help here as well.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2902841911...
That is disturbingly similar to a listing I had removed today.
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