Bristol Cars goes into administration
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skwdenyer said:
Of course. But all things are relative. If you can find me some cutaways of both vehicles then I'll do some quick calculations to get an idea of the numbers.
A quick google will show a cutaway of an Enzo, but it's a raised three quarter view, so not very helpful. Go ahead and try some calculations, I wont be able to guess the relative centres of mass any better than you can.To be honest though, even thinking relatively, I just don't see it. Just looking at some profile shots of the car though, and how low the Enzo sits relative to the Fighter, which has plenty of clear air under it.
Take this as an example if we're using engine position as an indication:
If you look carefully on the Enzo, ignoring the carbon airbox which presumably weighs very little, then you can see quite clearly that the tops of the cam covers are about level with the tops of the wheel rims, whereas on the Bristol it looks as if the wheel rim is level with about the middle of the engine block.
The Wookie said:
skwdenyer said:
Of course. But all things are relative. If you can find me some cutaways of both vehicles then I'll do some quick calculations to get an idea of the numbers.
A quick google will show a cutaway of an Enzo, but it's a raised three quarter view, so not very helpful. Go ahead and try some calculations, I wont be able to guess the relative centres of mass any better than you can.To be honest though, even thinking relatively, I just don't see it. Just looking at some profile shots of the car though, and how low the Enzo sits relative to the Fighter, which has plenty of clear air under it.
Take this as an example if we're using engine position as an indication:
http://www.distrocars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae...
If you look carefully on the Enzo, ignoring the carbon airbox which presumably weighs very little, then you can see quite clearly that the tops of the cam covers are about level with the tops of the wheel rims, whereas on the Bristol it looks as if the wheel rim is level with about the middle of the engine block.
http://www.netcarshow.com/ferrari/2002-enzo/1600x1...
This notice now appears at the Bristol Cars website…I’m sure many of you may have seen it, but I now saw it for the first time… http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/
Trevor J Binyon and Thomas C Maclennan of RSM Tenon Recovery were appointed joint administrators of Bristol Cars Limited (''the Company'') on 3 March 2011. The joint administrators act as agents of the Company and without personal liability.
The affairs, business and property of the company are being managed by the Administrators.
Information about the administration process is available at RSM Tenon's insolvency website. See: http://rsmtenon.insolvencypoint.com/5015368
When one looks at the insolvency website, one finds further direction to another site, where the business is offered for sale by Wyles Hardy & Co : http://www.wyleshardy.com/admin/preview_details_si...
A sad sad day for me.
Trevor J Binyon and Thomas C Maclennan of RSM Tenon Recovery were appointed joint administrators of Bristol Cars Limited (''the Company'') on 3 March 2011. The joint administrators act as agents of the Company and without personal liability.
The affairs, business and property of the company are being managed by the Administrators.
Information about the administration process is available at RSM Tenon's insolvency website. See: http://rsmtenon.insolvencypoint.com/5015368
When one looks at the insolvency website, one finds further direction to another site, where the business is offered for sale by Wyles Hardy & Co : http://www.wyleshardy.com/admin/preview_details_si...
A sad sad day for me.
website said:
Expressions of interest are actively sought by close of business Tuesday 15th of March 2011
That's the end of today.It says that it includes a number of previously owned cars, i noticed a few days ago that the cars they had for sale on PH all disappeared.
Didn't win the euromillions
.BlueMR2 said:
website said:
Expressions of interest are actively sought by close of business Tuesday 15th of March 2011
That's the end of today.It says that it includes a number of previously owned cars, i noticed a few days ago that the cars they had for sale on PH all disappeared.
Didn't win the euromillions
.skwdenyer said:
BlueMR2 said:
website said:
Expressions of interest are actively sought by close of business Tuesday 15th of March 2011
That's the end of today.It says that it includes a number of previously owned cars, i noticed a few days ago that the cars they had for sale on PH all disappeared.
Didn't win the euromillions
.Really good to see this thread returning to a more informative discussion! On a side note can anybody tell me if it is worth swinging by the showroom for a look at any Bristols on display? I've tried Google maps but can't find a street view (I know, I'm a 'tard 
). If the showroom et al is going to disappear then I for one would like to see it for myself. I am assuming you can get close enough to see something through the windows. And assuming that the windows haven't been whitewashed in time-honoured fashion...
Thanks,
Andy
). If the showroom et al is going to disappear then I for one would like to see it for myself. I am assuming you can get close enough to see something through the windows. And assuming that the windows haven't been whitewashed in time-honoured fashion...Thanks,
Andy
BlueMR2 said:
I guess they want to keep the mystique over sales figures etc. Maybe don't want people to know how much it sells for either.
Hmm, perhaps. But the Administrator and, by extension of agency, Wyles Hardy are bound to obtain the highest price they can for the business. They cannot be bound or influenced by the desires of the outgoing management.If I had to guess I would imagine that the NDA is due to a desire to ensure that one (real or otherwise) prospective purchaser chooses to publish the information provided, thus potentially depressing the price achievable from others, or simply discouraging them from getting in touch.
Trommel said:
Nope that just launches my GoogleMaps application in satellite view. I guess it is an iPhone quirk. Thanks though, I'll try your link on the PC when I get a chance 
TheStoat said:
Really good to see this thread returning to a more informative discussion! On a side note can anybody tell me if it is worth swinging by the showroom for a look at any Bristols on display? I've tried Google maps but can't find a street view (I know, I'm a 'tard ). If the showroom et al is going to disappear then I for one would like to see it for myself. I am assuming you can get close enough to see something through the windows. And assuming that the windows haven't been whitewashed in time-honoured fashion...
Thanks,
Andy
No problems finding it on a street view. But if you visit the showroom in person you'll find them to be very relaxed and hospitable.). If the showroom et al is going to disappear then I for one would like to see it for myself. I am assuming you can get close enough to see something through the windows. And assuming that the windows haven't been whitewashed in time-honoured fashion...Thanks,
Andy
I'm still hoping to track down some stiffness data.
The Wookie said:
The problem with boiling down these two figures is that it opens up the field to other cars that share such attributes. By that reasoning the Viper that donates the V10 engine and uses a similar chassis construction must also have a very low centre of gravity, and presumably there are many other cars, performance or otherwise, that have a higher torsional rigidity than the F1.
Of course!I am and have always been a fan of the European way of building cars, but recent iterations of the Corvette, to name one example, have made extremely effective racing cars. Compared to a Prodrive Ferrari 550 they have a shorter lighter engine that, without multiple overhead cams, also promotes a low CoG. Although Euro journalists and magazines are frequently sniffy about its road behaviour, the Corvette must do something right to get round a track as fast and reliably as it does.
I drove a Viper (1st gen) on a track day and found it handled very well, very stable with lots of throttle adjustability. I cannot comment on lap time, it was not measured and I am not a good enough driver to set one. I loved the Ferrari Testarossa I drove on the same day, it was such a sweet car, but if you were being objective it suffered roll-oversteer and required correction on corner exit. I hadn't expected the engine-on-top-of-gearbox layout to feel so obvious.
But different ways of solving problems helps make cars interesting. IMHO F1 is much more dull now they all have the same engine layouts. Bristols should not be dismissed just for swimming against the tide. As a uniquely idiosyncratic British institution I hope the company can be preserved as is. BMW has proven a good custodian for British brands and an enthusiastic contributor to Morgan.....
groomi said:
May I be the first to mention asset stripping and product nicking?
And I suppose you would, without conscious irony, at the same time go on about their inferior four wheel drive system (despite their supposedly having nicked it from Land Rover).Apart from that, the idea that there was anything worth stripping/stealing from Rover I laughable.ownership cost BMW several hundred million. But we've done this argument umpteen times before.
groomi said:
May I be the first to mention asset stripping and product nicking?
Rover?It hurts to say this because one route home takes me past the shell of Longbridge, but IMHO Rover was finished long before BMW got hold of them. I have a friend who used to work for Landrover with lengthy stories of the short-sighted cost-cutting that bedeviled Rover management. Rover was a juggernaut that had begun a slow jack-knife into decline back in the 70's, having left innovative engineering and quality production in the 60's. Honda granted a genuine stay of execution by permitting overt plagiarism, but BMW's custody seems to have been blind false hope. Bernd PIschetsrieder was awarded honours at my graduation and seems to have been a remarkable man, but I don't think he realised just how far Rover had fallen. Rover was too big to rebuild, and BMW was not big enough not to be dragged under with it.
Smaller brands with historical appeal beyond the mass market were easier to rebuild and BMW supported LR, MINI and have done an incredible job with Rolls - a company building cars as antiquated as Bristol's Blenheim. Of course BMW nicked technology from LR (HDC at least), but the Rangie used a lot of BMW tech in return. And BMW's support of Morgan without stifling their English eccentricities or independence is a wonderful thing. Morgan can feel more confident about their future because they do not have to finance engineering Euro X compliance.
AeroMan said:
When one looks at the insolvency website, one finds further direction to another site, where the business is offered for sale by Wyles Hardy & Co : http://www.wyleshardy.com/admin/preview_details_si...
That page indicates that there is still a factory in Bristol which is an asset of Bristol and will be part of the sale, that seems to partly contradict some of the earlier comments about Bristol having already ceased. It would appear car manufacture at the original facility would still be possible for a potential purchaser.Trommel said:
Black Phantom Drophead parked just around the corner -risky with Mr Crook's tramp sitting on Rollers tactics!Why the hurry with offers being sought by 15 March just 12 days after Tenon took over. How is this conducive to seeking a serious offer for a good price from some one who wants to purchase and to try to take the business forward.
INMHO this is a reckless tactic that is so typical of these type of companies that act for the f....ing bankers who can never see the bigger picture other than the effect it may have on their monthly figures.
If my small time business experience is at all like other peoples then any prospective purchaser who needs to raise funding will not have the time to view the two premises and then to be able to arrange funding inside 12 days. What a joke love Bristol or hate them it is still sad to see it go without half a chance for somebody else to have a go. After all it can be done Peter Wheeler made TVR iconic until it was sold to the Russian who had not got a clue. Also the Morgan family prove year on year that it can be done especially if you can come up with unique new projects like they do.
INMHO this is a reckless tactic that is so typical of these type of companies that act for the f....ing bankers who can never see the bigger picture other than the effect it may have on their monthly figures.
If my small time business experience is at all like other peoples then any prospective purchaser who needs to raise funding will not have the time to view the two premises and then to be able to arrange funding inside 12 days. What a joke love Bristol or hate them it is still sad to see it go without half a chance for somebody else to have a go. After all it can be done Peter Wheeler made TVR iconic until it was sold to the Russian who had not got a clue. Also the Morgan family prove year on year that it can be done especially if you can come up with unique new projects like they do.
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