Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 2)

[2manycars]

Shmee said:

Most importantly, this is only really relevant if you plan to sell... My dream is to grow a car collection and build memories with them and this isn't going anywhere for quite a long time!

I get that, building a car collection is hard work and you really want it to be a variety of cars. Maybe step away from all the Mercs for a while. Go for stuff like the Singer DLS, Valhalla, SF90 Stradale (all the special edition cars) and look at the classics too. In fact if you go down this route you’ll find these more enjoyable and memorable than most of the boring crap that’s out there at the moment. It’s already boring with most of the supercars out there because they all pretty much do the same. 0-62mph in sub 3 seconds, 200+mph, etc etc.
Get into stuff like 1960’s Ferrari’s and Aston’s, tiny underpowered hot hatches, waft mobiles. Now these are fun cars. I’d do more investment in these cars (both time and money) than the modern stuff. Unless you’re going for the special edition things like the Valkyrie or Monza SP2.

Edited by 2manycars on Wednesday 10th July 23:41

[2manycars]

rich12 said:

Oh I'm sure theres a lot of rich weirdos out there that would love to own a car owned by a YouTuber.

Haha maybe you’re right.

[f1ten]

Don’t forget the price mr bin laden paid for rowans ex Mac f1 and it was a total rebuild so I don’t think Tim has much to worry about plus he is long term keeping it anyway as he has said. Yes I know a SEnna is not an F1 but Tims car is small damage. It’s wouldnt concern me.


I agree with toomany we are now in a time where just about all the offerings from mac, Ferrari, Aston and Lamborghini and r8 and 991rs do very similar things.
I’ve made a new friend that took me out in a 60s mustang manual he has (he has a brilliant collection of very different cars ) and I’ve got to say Wow I want one. The noise, the intoxicating experience, I get like I was in the 1960s ! As some will know, older cars drive very differently to each other let alone modern stuff.

Modern stuff is becoming very boring and it’s getting to a stage where no one wants the standard car and is holding out for supposed limited editions which means there are millions of limited editions now coming out - YAWN

Edited by f1ten on Thursday 11th July 09:12

[2manycars]

f1ten said:

Don’t forget the price mr bin laden paid for rowans ex Mac f1 and it was a total rebuild so I don’t think Tim has much to worry about plus he is long term keeping it anyway as he has said. Yes I know a SEnna is not an F1 but Tims car is small damage. It’s wouldnt concern me.


I agree with toomany we are now in a time where just about all the offerings from mac, Ferrari, Aston and Lamborghini and r8 and 991rs do very similar things.
I’ve made a new friend that took me out in a 60s mustang manual he has (he has a brilliant collection of very different cars ) and I’ve got to say Wow I want one. The noise, the intoxicating experience, I get like I was in the 1960s ! As some will know, older cars drive very differently to each other let alone modern stuff.

Modern stuff is becoming very boring and it’s getting to a stage where no one wants the standard car and is holding out for supposed limited editions which means there are millions of limited editions now coming out - YAWN

Edited by f1ten on Thursday 11th July 09:12

I couldn’t agree more, the 60’s I think were the best era for pure car enjoyment, obviously depending on what car you had. I wouldn’t say a Morris from the 60’s is better to drive than a Fiesta from now.
However on a Saturday morning when I’m going out for a drive in one of my cars I’ll always tend to gravitate to my 250 or DB5 over something like my TDF or Senna. Don’t get me wrong they’re good cars but they are pretty much all the same in performance and numbers, I think it’s more now about Dick swinging than the enjoyment of the cars. There’s little connection with them too, it’s not very hard to go absurdly fast in a modern day supercar as they’re all pretty much autos now. Leave all the traction on, hit launch and away you go.
However drive something like a 1970’s Daytona (which was the fastest and most expensive car or its day) in today’s conditions and that’ll give you much more of a thrill. It’s very quick, heavy at the front and light at the rear, the transfer of energy and weight to the front under heavy braking makes the rear skate about which allows you to kind of trail brake into the corners turning your understeer into a very nice controlled oversteer.
You come back after a good morning of blasting country roads in a classic car and you’re exhausted but thrilled. Something you just don’t get in modern supercars.

[Gio G]

2manycars said:

I get that, building a car collection is hard work and you really want it to be a variety of cars. Maybe step away from all the Mercs for a while. Go for stuff like the Singer DLS, Valhalla, SF90 Stradale (all the special edition cars) and look at the classics too. In fact if you go down this route you’ll find these more enjoyable and memorable than most of the boring crap that’s out there at the moment. It’s already boring with most of the supercars out there because they all pretty much do the same. 0-62mph in sub 3 seconds, 200+mph, etc etc.
Get into stuff like 1960’s Ferrari’s and Aston’s, tiny underpowered hot hatches, waft mobiles. Now these are fun cars. I’d do more investment in these cars (both time and money) than the modern stuff. Unless you’re going for the special edition things like the Valkyrie or Monza SP2.

Edited by 2manycars on Wednesday 10th July 23:41

Make a really good point.. I was discussing this with my son yesterday, I suppose many of the younger You-tubers do not do classics on their channels, as they do not get the great audience numbers, maybe people want the latest and greatest...This also bores me silly. I am older generation (40's) prefer to see something classic and how people live with it daily. When I saw TGE buy that 996, I was very surprised, I mean it is not really a classic, not sure what it did to his figures, a bold move for him..I think a collection should not be made up of very similar cars from different makes, as 2manycars explained..

G

[2manycars]

Gio G said:

Make a really good point.. I was discussing this with my son yesterday, I suppose many of the younger You-tubers do not do classics on their channels, as they do not get the great audience numbers, maybe people want the latest and greatest...This also bores me silly. I am older generation (40's) prefer to see something classic and how people live with it daily. When I saw TGE buy that 996, I was very surprised, I mean it is not really a classic, not sure what it did to his figures, a bold move for him..I think a collection should not be made up of very similar cars from different makes, as 2manycars explained..

G

Thanks G

[130R]

Gio G said:

Make a really good point.. I was discussing this with my son yesterday, I suppose many of the younger You-tubers do not do classics on their channels, as they do not get the great audience numbers, maybe people want the latest and greatest...This also bores me silly. I am older generation (40's) prefer to see something classic and how people live with it daily. When I saw TGE buy that 996, I was very surprised, I mean it is not really a classic, not sure what it did to his figures, a bold move for him..I think a collection should not be made up of very similar cars from different makes, as 2manycars explained..

G

That's why I love Harry's garage on youtube. The roadtrips he takes in the Countach, Alfa Spider, Rolls Royce Shadow, etc., are just superb viewing, even to someone who doesn't own a classic.

[2manycars]

130R said:

hat's why I love Harry's garage on youtube. The roadtrips he takes in the Countach, Alfa Spider, Rolls Royce Shadow, etc., are just superb viewing, even to someone who doesn't own a classic.

It was his video on the Ferrari 330 GT 2+2 that made me buy one and add that to my collection. He’s just superb in his understanding of the cars. But then again he does cater for a different audience.

[johnwilliams77]

2manycars said:

It was his video on the Ferrari 330 GT 2+2 that made me buy one and add that to my collection. He’s just superb in his understanding of the cars. But then again he does cater for a different audience.

People with an IQ above 80?

[2manycars]

johnwilliams77 said:

People with an IQ above 80?

Hey!!!! I resemble that remark haha

[johnwilliams77]

2manycars said:

Hey!!!! I resemble that remark haha

Cheers for mention of that 330 video, hadn't seen that one. My favourites are the euro road trips like the countach.

[f1ten]

Harry could pull off driving an f50 along the croissette and wouldn’t look like he was trying to seek attention ! Class and a total Petrolhead :thumpup:

[2manycars]

johnwilliams77 said:

2manycars said:

Hey!!!! I resemble that remark haha

Cheers for mention of that 330 video, hadn't seen that one. My favourites are the euro road trips like the countach.

No worries, yeah it’s an extremely great channel. If I could actually be bothered putting in more effort into a YouTube channel I’m pretty sure that I’d have one of the most informative ones out there. I have a bigger collection than any of the vloggers (with all the same cars too) and I have a ton of classics, hot hatches and rare things like Zagatos, Singer DLS (coming) and Carrera GT’s, LFA’s, etc etc. I’m also not sponsored to say nice things about what are usually st cars as i wouldn’t be doing it for revenue. And that’s why I like Harry’s Garage, because he too doesn’t give much of a crap and all the cars are his own.

[RobDown]

2manycars said:

I get that, building a car collection is hard work and you really want it to be a variety of cars. Maybe step away from all the Mercs for a while. Go for stuff like the Singer DLS, Valhalla, SF90 Stradale (all the special edition cars) and look at the classics too. In fact if you go down this route you’ll find these more enjoyable and memorable than most of the boring crap that’s out there at the moment. It’s already boring with most of the supercars out there because they all pretty much do the same. 0-62mph in sub 3 seconds, 200+mph, etc etc.
Get into stuff like 1960’s Ferrari’s and Aston’s, tiny underpowered hot hatches, waft mobiles. Now these are fun cars. I’d do more investment in these cars (both time and money) than the modern stuff. Unless you’re going for the special edition things like the Valkyrie or Monza SP2.

Edited by 2manycars on Wednesday 10th July 23:41

totally agree with that, there's far more "emotion" attached to some of the iconic classic cars rather than just playing the Top Trumps game with, say, a 720s McLaren. Would love to have an Alfa GTA, Aston X-Pack, Countach, De Tomaso Pantera etc at some point in the future

It feels like TGE, much as he gets slated on here, has "seen the light" here too. Hence the 996, sticking with the F12 rather than buying the 812 Superfast etc. Will be interesting to see where he goes next on that

Edited by RobDown on Thursday 11th July 12:50

[Davey S2]

I don't really care what cars someone has in their 'collection' as long as they get driven.

Buying something that you can't drive as you either can't afford the depreciation or don't have the time or opportunity to do anything other than a slow pootle round town is a complete waste as far as I'm concerned.

[2manycars]

RobDown said:

totally agree with that, there's far more "emotion" attached to some of the iconic classic cars rather than just playing the Top Trumps game with, say, a 720s McLaren. Would love to have an Alfa GTA, Aston X-Pack, Countach, De Tomaso Pantera etc at some point in the future

It feels like TGE, much as he gets slated on here, as "seen the light" here too. Hence the 996, sticking with the F12 rather than buying the 812 Superfast etc. Will be interesting to see where he goes next on that

Yeah I definitely agree with the first part, that’s why I’m currently looking at Alfaholics GTA and redux’s E30 M3. As for the second part, I don’t watch the guy but I know people that know him.
Buying a 996 isn’t a wise move to a classic car as they were generally just awful. I’d say that’s more of a money thing. You want a good classic (young timers) Porsche then go out and get a 964 Turbo, 993 Turbo S or a 930 Turbo. Same with the 812, they’re leagues above the F12 but not everyone can just go and buy one brand new as certain Ferrari dealerships won’t entertain it. So then you’re paying a premium to buy a second hand one. I’ve been told that Ferrari Stratstone got in trouble because JWW made a video of him speccing an 812 for 30 minutes with no intention of buying one, few weeks later he pops out a video about why he’s not getting one. Now I don’t know if this is true as I don’t watch or follow the vloggers, but it does make sense. After all he took my Carrera GT when it was at Redline and made a video about it, leading people to believe he was buying it!!!!
So unfortunately I don’t believe a lot of what these guys say. If you want to stick with an F12 because you think it’s better than an 812, level up and buy an F12TDF.
I know that blue Pista with yellow lights that’s knocking about was a cancelled order and literally wouldn’t have been offered as a pre specced car to that vlogger as he didn’t qualify for it as a customer.
It’s not that I have anything against these vloggers, do whatever makes you happy. But stop posting videos about cars that are either lent to you by Mercedes or Ferrari’s that we’re bought under your Dads name.
Just be honest. I hear people talk about Shmee financing his cars, isn’t this a good thing that he talks about that? At least he’s being honest, and it’s more real world.

[Court_S]

Davey S2 said:

I don't really care what cars someone has in their 'collection' as long as they get driven.

Buying something that you can't drive as you either can't afford the depreciation or don't have the time or opportunity to do anything other than a slow pootle round town is a complete waste as far as I'm concerned.

This. I’m not in the position to buy a super car, but f I was I’d want to use it. I don’t really see the point in wrapping it up in cotton wool in a garage. Seems a shame to me.

[Meridius]

Harrys Garage is pretty good but its definitely more for people who remember shillings and still type with one index finger.

[vodkamartini1]

2manycars said:

It’s already boring with most of the supercars out there because they all pretty much do the same. 0-62mph in sub 3 seconds, 200+mph, etc etc.

Shows how far things have come that these stats are common across multiple manufacturers and can be considered humdrum and uneventful!

[1602Mark]

I'd take a classic over the latest all singing hybrid super winged eleventy gazillion horsepower gull wing door hyper car all day long. Even what were mundane daily drivers have way more style and kerb appeal. I appreciate this is subjective but it's still more fun to go fast in a slow car.