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Eight months in prison for driving on to a race track.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1015284699243...
Suspended sentence, fine and a two year ban for causing death by careless driving.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1015284699243...
Suspended sentence, fine and a two year ban for causing death by careless driving.
Essex Police said:
A woman has been sentenced after being convicted of causing the death of a 13-year-old girl by careless driving in Stansted Mountfitchett last year.
Caren Klein, a 35-year-old woman from Frambury Lane, Newport, appeared at Chelmsford Crown Court today, Friday, November 14, where she was disqualified from driving for two years, made subject of an 18-month community order and sentenced to 120 hours of unpaid work.
The former Metropolitan Police officer was the driver of a red Suzuki car which was in collision with Chiara Sanfilippo who was crossing Cambridge Road in Stansted Mountfitchett having got off a bus, just after 4.15pm on Wednesday, October 16.
Senior investigating officer Ds Dave Jones from the Essex Police Serious Collision Investigation Unit said: "Chiara Sanfilippo lost her life in tragic circumstances from which there are lessons to be learnt. The risks when overtaking a stationary bus cannot be overstated. There is a great responsibility that comes with holding a driving licence and drivers should always think about other road users, especially pedestrians. In this case Caren Klein was found to have exceeded the speed limit and failed to afford Chiara the care and attention appropriate for the circumstance. Has she done so the outcome would have been very different for all concerned and the pain and loss felt by the Sanfilippo family could so easily have been avoided.”
Following the sentencing hearing the Sanfilippo family released this statement: "We are totally devastated by the loss of our beautiful, precious daughter Chiara, aged 13 years, taken from us so suddenly and tragically. A loss so deep that we will never come to terms with. A deep sadness and hurt that will live with us forever. However, our precious Chiara is the true victim of this, having her life cut drastically short.
"Chiara was so lovely beyond words. So loved and treasured by her whole family and many, many friends. She was very placid in her nature, very kind-hearted and generous to all who knew her. She was a truly beautiful soul with such a passion for horses. She rode regularly and was a competent horse woman. Shortly before being taken from us she had competed at Norton Heath and was keen to do more competitions. She was part of a helpers club at a local riding school, where she cared for the horses and helped out in other lessons with younger or less experienced riders. Her stables have just had a competition in Chiara’s name. Her dream in life was to become a vet or a midwife. She was working hard at school and hoped to achieve high.
"She was an amazing big sister. There is a huge gap where she should be and she is sorely missed by her younger brother and sister. She loved to read and would often curl up on a chair, somewhere, with a book. Always smiling and happy, she never had a bad word to say about anyone. We are so proud to say Chiara is our daughter and miss her dreadfully and are heart-broken she has been taken from us.
"We are truly grateful to all the people who have supported us surrounding us with love, caring for us and helping us in any way they could. We must highlight the support and kindness we have had from Chiara’s many friends, Herts and Essex High School for Girls, which Chiara attended, The Bishop’s Stortford High School, Maple Pollard Riding School, Phoenix Theatre and Performing Arts School. All places where events and awards have taken place in Chiara’s name. This has assured us that Chiara’s kind and beautiful nature will never be forgotten.”
Caren Klein, a 35-year-old woman from Frambury Lane, Newport, appeared at Chelmsford Crown Court today, Friday, November 14, where she was disqualified from driving for two years, made subject of an 18-month community order and sentenced to 120 hours of unpaid work.
The former Metropolitan Police officer was the driver of a red Suzuki car which was in collision with Chiara Sanfilippo who was crossing Cambridge Road in Stansted Mountfitchett having got off a bus, just after 4.15pm on Wednesday, October 16.
Senior investigating officer Ds Dave Jones from the Essex Police Serious Collision Investigation Unit said: "Chiara Sanfilippo lost her life in tragic circumstances from which there are lessons to be learnt. The risks when overtaking a stationary bus cannot be overstated. There is a great responsibility that comes with holding a driving licence and drivers should always think about other road users, especially pedestrians. In this case Caren Klein was found to have exceeded the speed limit and failed to afford Chiara the care and attention appropriate for the circumstance. Has she done so the outcome would have been very different for all concerned and the pain and loss felt by the Sanfilippo family could so easily have been avoided.”
Following the sentencing hearing the Sanfilippo family released this statement: "We are totally devastated by the loss of our beautiful, precious daughter Chiara, aged 13 years, taken from us so suddenly and tragically. A loss so deep that we will never come to terms with. A deep sadness and hurt that will live with us forever. However, our precious Chiara is the true victim of this, having her life cut drastically short.
"Chiara was so lovely beyond words. So loved and treasured by her whole family and many, many friends. She was very placid in her nature, very kind-hearted and generous to all who knew her. She was a truly beautiful soul with such a passion for horses. She rode regularly and was a competent horse woman. Shortly before being taken from us she had competed at Norton Heath and was keen to do more competitions. She was part of a helpers club at a local riding school, where she cared for the horses and helped out in other lessons with younger or less experienced riders. Her stables have just had a competition in Chiara’s name. Her dream in life was to become a vet or a midwife. She was working hard at school and hoped to achieve high.
"She was an amazing big sister. There is a huge gap where she should be and she is sorely missed by her younger brother and sister. She loved to read and would often curl up on a chair, somewhere, with a book. Always smiling and happy, she never had a bad word to say about anyone. We are so proud to say Chiara is our daughter and miss her dreadfully and are heart-broken she has been taken from us.
"We are truly grateful to all the people who have supported us surrounding us with love, caring for us and helping us in any way they could. We must highlight the support and kindness we have had from Chiara’s many friends, Herts and Essex High School for Girls, which Chiara attended, The Bishop’s Stortford High School, Maple Pollard Riding School, Phoenix Theatre and Performing Arts School. All places where events and awards have taken place in Chiara’s name. This has assured us that Chiara’s kind and beautiful nature will never be forgotten.”
scarble said:
Cruise control maybe?
If not, still nothing wrong with adjusting your speed using brakes, if it's just a flicker it's obviously very slight braking, i.e. they're probably doing a good job of holding a constant gap. Not to p**s on your high horse parade.
Don't think it was CC - the car I saw last night was 10 year old base level Clio..If not, still nothing wrong with adjusting your speed using brakes, if it's just a flicker it's obviously very slight braking, i.e. they're probably doing a good job of holding a constant gap. Not to p**s on your high horse parade.
You can piss all you want, I'm not on a high horse..
It's not even a flicker of the brakes, it almost looked like they were faulty, it was such short little milliseconds, it just didn't seem right but I've seen it a few times in a couple of weeks now..
smithyithy said:
scarble said:
Cruise control maybe?
If not, still nothing wrong with adjusting your speed using brakes, if it's just a flicker it's obviously very slight braking, i.e. they're probably doing a good job of holding a constant gap. Not to p**s on your high horse parade.
Don't think it was CC - the car I saw last night was 10 year old base level Clio..If not, still nothing wrong with adjusting your speed using brakes, if it's just a flicker it's obviously very slight braking, i.e. they're probably doing a good job of holding a constant gap. Not to p**s on your high horse parade.
You can piss all you want, I'm not on a high horse..
It's not even a flicker of the brakes, it almost looked like they were faulty, it was such short little milliseconds, it just didn't seem right but I've seen it a few times in a couple of weeks now..
Liquid Knight said:
Eight months in prison for driving on to a race track.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1015284699243...
Suspended sentence, fine and a two year ban for causing death by careless driving.
former Metropolitan Police officer https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1015284699243...
Suspended sentence, fine and a two year ban for causing death by careless driving.
Essex Police said:
A woman has been sentenced after being convicted of causing the death of a 13-year-old girl by careless driving in Stansted Mountfitchett last year.
Caren Klein, a 35-year-old woman from Frambury Lane, Newport, appeared at Chelmsford Crown Court today, Friday, November 14, where she was disqualified from driving for two years, made subject of an 18-month community order and sentenced to 120 hours of unpaid work.
The former Metropolitan Police officer was the driver of a red Suzuki car which was in collision with Chiara Sanfilippo who was crossing Cambridge Road in Stansted Mountfitchett having got off a bus, just after 4.15pm on Wednesday, October 16.
Senior investigating officer Ds Dave Jones from the Essex Police Serious Collision Investigation Unit said: "Chiara Sanfilippo lost her life in tragic circumstances from which there are lessons to be learnt. The risks when overtaking a stationary bus cannot be overstated. There is a great responsibility that comes with holding a driving licence and drivers should always think about other road users, especially pedestrians. In this case Caren Klein was found to have exceeded the speed limit and failed to afford Chiara the care and attention appropriate for the circumstance. Has she done so the outcome would have been very different for all concerned and the pain and loss felt by the Sanfilippo family could so easily have been avoided.”
Following the sentencing hearing the Sanfilippo family released this statement: "We are totally devastated by the loss of our beautiful, precious daughter Chiara, aged 13 years, taken from us so suddenly and tragically. A loss so deep that we will never come to terms with. A deep sadness and hurt that will live with us forever. However, our precious Chiara is the true victim of this, having her life cut drastically short.
"Chiara was so lovely beyond words. So loved and treasured by her whole family and many, many friends. She was very placid in her nature, very kind-hearted and generous to all who knew her. She was a truly beautiful soul with such a passion for horses. She rode regularly and was a competent horse woman. Shortly before being taken from us she had competed at Norton Heath and was keen to do more competitions. She was part of a helpers club at a local riding school, where she cared for the horses and helped out in other lessons with younger or less experienced riders. Her stables have just had a competition in Chiara’s name. Her dream in life was to become a vet or a midwife. She was working hard at school and hoped to achieve high.
"She was an amazing big sister. There is a huge gap where she should be and she is sorely missed by her younger brother and sister. She loved to read and would often curl up on a chair, somewhere, with a book. Always smiling and happy, she never had a bad word to say about anyone. We are so proud to say Chiara is our daughter and miss her dreadfully and are heart-broken she has been taken from us.
"We are truly grateful to all the people who have supported us surrounding us with love, caring for us and helping us in any way they could. We must highlight the support and kindness we have had from Chiara’s many friends, Herts and Essex High School for Girls, which Chiara attended, The Bishop’s Stortford High School, Maple Pollard Riding School, Phoenix Theatre and Performing Arts School. All places where events and awards have taken place in Chiara’s name. This has assured us that Chiara’s kind and beautiful nature will never be forgotten.”
Caren Klein, a 35-year-old woman from Frambury Lane, Newport, appeared at Chelmsford Crown Court today, Friday, November 14, where she was disqualified from driving for two years, made subject of an 18-month community order and sentenced to 120 hours of unpaid work.
The former Metropolitan Police officer was the driver of a red Suzuki car which was in collision with Chiara Sanfilippo who was crossing Cambridge Road in Stansted Mountfitchett having got off a bus, just after 4.15pm on Wednesday, October 16.
Senior investigating officer Ds Dave Jones from the Essex Police Serious Collision Investigation Unit said: "Chiara Sanfilippo lost her life in tragic circumstances from which there are lessons to be learnt. The risks when overtaking a stationary bus cannot be overstated. There is a great responsibility that comes with holding a driving licence and drivers should always think about other road users, especially pedestrians. In this case Caren Klein was found to have exceeded the speed limit and failed to afford Chiara the care and attention appropriate for the circumstance. Has she done so the outcome would have been very different for all concerned and the pain and loss felt by the Sanfilippo family could so easily have been avoided.”
Following the sentencing hearing the Sanfilippo family released this statement: "We are totally devastated by the loss of our beautiful, precious daughter Chiara, aged 13 years, taken from us so suddenly and tragically. A loss so deep that we will never come to terms with. A deep sadness and hurt that will live with us forever. However, our precious Chiara is the true victim of this, having her life cut drastically short.
"Chiara was so lovely beyond words. So loved and treasured by her whole family and many, many friends. She was very placid in her nature, very kind-hearted and generous to all who knew her. She was a truly beautiful soul with such a passion for horses. She rode regularly and was a competent horse woman. Shortly before being taken from us she had competed at Norton Heath and was keen to do more competitions. She was part of a helpers club at a local riding school, where she cared for the horses and helped out in other lessons with younger or less experienced riders. Her stables have just had a competition in Chiara’s name. Her dream in life was to become a vet or a midwife. She was working hard at school and hoped to achieve high.
"She was an amazing big sister. There is a huge gap where she should be and she is sorely missed by her younger brother and sister. She loved to read and would often curl up on a chair, somewhere, with a book. Always smiling and happy, she never had a bad word to say about anyone. We are so proud to say Chiara is our daughter and miss her dreadfully and are heart-broken she has been taken from us.
"We are truly grateful to all the people who have supported us surrounding us with love, caring for us and helping us in any way they could. We must highlight the support and kindness we have had from Chiara’s many friends, Herts and Essex High School for Girls, which Chiara attended, The Bishop’s Stortford High School, Maple Pollard Riding School, Phoenix Theatre and Performing Arts School. All places where events and awards have taken place in Chiara’s name. This has assured us that Chiara’s kind and beautiful nature will never be forgotten.”
Speeding too. Joke of a sentence, when considering the lad at Brans got 8 months. I don't want to think her pathetic sentence has got anything to do with her former career, but not so sure. What sentence would a 23 year old lad have got for breaking the speed limit by about 30% and killing a kid?
Cliftonite said:
Councils who think it is a good idea to dump unmarked chunks of masonry in the road in the name of 'road safety'
Very nice in the dark, rain or snow!
Cretins!
back of an ambulance
"Sir, you've broken your backand we've had strap you to a stetcher to prevent damage to your spinal cord. ETA to the hospital is five minutes".
GADDUNK
"I can't feel my legs!"
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king brilliant.Tyre Tread said:
Piss on your parade.
Get down from your high horse.
Thank you lieutenant blatant. I knew something wasn't quite right, clearly I was p**sing up the wrong tree. Get down from your high horse.
smithyithy said:
Don't think it was CC - the car I saw last night was 10 year old base level Clio..
You can piss all you want, I'm not on a high horse..
It's not even a flicker of the brakes, it almost looked like they were faulty, it was such short little milliseconds, it just didn't seem right but I've seen it a few times in a couple of weeks now..
10 year old Clios can have it, the 172s at least, not sure if it made it to any of the lesser models but you can't really tell a 1.1 Campus from a 1.6 er.. some other trim level.. can you? Maybe it can be fitted to lower models anyway You can piss all you want, I'm not on a high horse..
It's not even a flicker of the brakes, it almost looked like they were faulty, it was such short little milliseconds, it just didn't seem right but I've seen it a few times in a couple of weeks now..
Could just be a wiring fault of course, I've seen a few 307s with the brake lights constantly on, doing 70 on the motorway. You'd think they'd notice if they really did have the brakes on all the time?
It's just.. the fact you assume it's sharp braking because their too close, seems a bit er.. presumptious?
scarble said:
10 year old Clios can have it, the 172s at least, not sure if it made it to any of the lesser models but you can't really tell a 1.1 Campus from a 1.6 er.. some other trim level.. can you? Maybe it can be fitted to lower models anyway
Could just be a wiring fault of course, I've seen a few 307s with the brake lights constantly on, doing 70 on the motorway. You'd think they'd notice if they really did have the brakes on all the time?
It's just.. the fact you assume it's sharp braking because their too close, seems a bit er.. presumptious?
That's true actually, think I've seen a couple of 206's with brake lights fixed on.Could just be a wiring fault of course, I've seen a few 307s with the brake lights constantly on, doing 70 on the motorway. You'd think they'd notice if they really did have the brakes on all the time?
It's just.. the fact you assume it's sharp braking because their too close, seems a bit er.. presumptious?
The example I gave was actually that their braking is too sharp and short to be put down to distance / speed control, because I see that every day and the brake lights are on/off for at least a second or 2.. This may well be an electrical fault but I've seen it more than once in a short time so I'm not sure, and my presumption was that the way the was blinking suggested to me that they could be nervously two-footing.
Also, my high parade horse pisses on everything.
scarble said:
presumptious?
A bit of a generalisation here but any driver who assumes instead of observes is a knob. Those who purely observe are probably just as bad (no offence to any IAM members). I think it takes both observation and a little balanced assumption based on those observations to get it right.Last night for example. I was driving on the A10 headed towards Ely from King's Lynn there was a supermarket truck with a sticker on the back saying it is limited to 40mph on a single carriageway. There were three cars in the safe braking distance of one behind it. None of them were back far enough to see the mirrors or around the truck and as such missed several opportunities to overtake.
Occasionally there'd be a Mexican wave of brake lights from the cars as even though it says the truck is limited to 40 they were accelerating and braking instead of maintaining a constant speed and distance. The first car would dab the brake for a moment, the second for a few seconds and the third would brake two or three times to avoid colliding with the car in front.
I was sat at 40mph a safe distance from all four with a clear view around and ahead making no distance toward or away from the truck. After a few miles of pish poor overtake attempts from the front runner of the trio; two left the A10 for Downham Market. The third then took pride of place six feet from the back of the truck.
I could see ahead and there was more than enough time to overtake both the truck and car but instead I flashed my headlights and signaled. The tailgater took this as a sign there was a gap and pulled out without signalling like he/she was avoiding a cone in the road and after a little wobble got past the truck and cut the guy up. Not the worst overtake I've seen but pretty bad and sadly fairly normal.
I continued to signal, moved out to overtake, waited until I was two seconds gap in the front of the truck before pulling back into the left lane just after the supermarket truck driver flashed his headlights. 63mph according to my speedo' and the tailgater was disappearing ahead of me.
I observed the tailgater was a poor driver and let him/her overtake the truck first even though I was the only one who could see ahead enough to do the maneuver safely because I assumed I would be better of with th driver ahead of me than behind me and emasculated by my overtake.
Last night, exited a roundabout behind a car. Stayed back from it, it passed the car towing a trailer in front as soon as the road became two lanes. Road is two lanes going up a long hill, one lane going down, no barrier, about 2 miles before the next roundabout.
I've got no intention of overtaking after I pass the trailer, car in front is going plenty fast enough. I'm not tailgating. She starts sitting across the two lanes. Not drifting, but deliberately driving with a wheel in each lane.
Just as we approach the roundabout she moves completely into the right lane (right only) and I start to close the gap by braking later than her. She must then have seen the lane markings in the road, and swerves back across in front of me. I horned her at this point. She carries straight on over the roundabout.
I assume that moving into the right lane was a continuation of an attempt to block any effort to pass, she'd assumed that the roundabout exited into two lanes when there is only one. Totally bonkers.
I've got no intention of overtaking after I pass the trailer, car in front is going plenty fast enough. I'm not tailgating. She starts sitting across the two lanes. Not drifting, but deliberately driving with a wheel in each lane.
Just as we approach the roundabout she moves completely into the right lane (right only) and I start to close the gap by braking later than her. She must then have seen the lane markings in the road, and swerves back across in front of me. I horned her at this point. She carries straight on over the roundabout.
I assume that moving into the right lane was a continuation of an attempt to block any effort to pass, she'd assumed that the roundabout exited into two lanes when there is only one. Totally bonkers.
One of those old Toyota Celica ST things earlier, pulled right out in front of me as I was about to exit a roundabout, the guy thought he could launch it at the last minute and get across my path, but must've missed the gear or something because after a loud exhaust roar and wheel spin, he was met with an almighty crunch!
Had to brake quite heavily to not hit him, I wasn't going quick but he caught me by surprise.. He did at least apologise but what a silly manoeuvre for the sake of a couple of seconds
Had to brake quite heavily to not hit him, I wasn't going quick but he caught me by surprise.. He did at least apologise but what a silly manoeuvre for the sake of a couple of seconds
Ahimoth said:
Last night, exited a roundabout behind a car. Stayed back from it, it passed the car towing a trailer in front as soon as the road became two lanes. Road is two lanes going up a long hill, one lane going down, no barrier, about 2 miles before the next roundabout.
I've got no intention of overtaking after I pass the trailer, car in front is going plenty fast enough. I'm not tailgating. She starts sitting across the two lanes. Not drifting, but deliberately driving with a wheel in each lane.
Just as we approach the roundabout she moves completely into the right lane (right only) and I start to close the gap by braking later than her. She must then have seen the lane markings in the road, and swerves back across in front of me. I horned her at this point. She carries straight on over the roundabout.
I assume that moving into the right lane was a continuation of an attempt to block any effort to pass, she'd assumed that the roundabout exited into two lanes when there is only one. Totally bonkers.
All you can do is take a deep breath, and thank god you don't have the small mindedness and deep seated personal issues that she clearly has to make her drive like such a total f^&*tard.I've got no intention of overtaking after I pass the trailer, car in front is going plenty fast enough. I'm not tailgating. She starts sitting across the two lanes. Not drifting, but deliberately driving with a wheel in each lane.
Just as we approach the roundabout she moves completely into the right lane (right only) and I start to close the gap by braking later than her. She must then have seen the lane markings in the road, and swerves back across in front of me. I horned her at this point. She carries straight on over the roundabout.
I assume that moving into the right lane was a continuation of an attempt to block any effort to pass, she'd assumed that the roundabout exited into two lanes when there is only one. Totally bonkers.
scarble said:
Ah but can it piss up a tree?
Anyway, they may still just be managing the gap with brakes, still nowt wrong with that, there's a difference between nervous and just always alert and making minute adjustments, so there
I can understand this reasoning maybe on a new 'EfficientDynamics' or 'eco whatever' model that doesn't have much engine braking effect. However, you don't really need to brake all the time to make adjustments. If a driver is then I would say they're not planning ahead correctly. And if you have an 'eco whatever' you should leave more room to be able to use engine braking. Stabbing the brakes all the time is just piss poor. Anyway, they may still just be managing the gap with brakes, still nowt wrong with that, there's a difference between nervous and just always alert and making minute adjustments, so there
In non rant mode: I did see a seat Ibiza on the M40 on Sunday that had flickering brake lights. I guess VW use some seriously piss quality brake light switches...
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