Should we be getting behind Brexit by boycotting German cars

[g3org3y]

RMDB9 said:

Lets just destroy Bosch, forever.

Seems a waste tbh

[RMDB9]

ok what about Bosch spies then?

[RMDB9]

RMDB9 said:

ok what about Bosch spies then?

Oh come on! Yes, the joke was a bit plain vanilla and probably didnt cut the mustard, but no need to rub salt in my wounds, just pepper me with replies instead. I just thought a pun like this would cumin handy.

[DonkeyApple]

RMDB9 said:

RMDB9 said:

ok what about Bosch spies then?

Oh come on! Yes, the joke was a bit plain vanilla and probably didnt cut the mustard, but no need to rub salt in my wounds, just pepper me with replies instead. I just thought a pun like this would cumin handy.

I couldn't work out the joke. Too many Min Spies?

Incidentally, were you aware that someone had nicked your apostrophe earlier on? Probably a German.

[RMDB9]

Forgive me, my grammar and interpunctation is not as good as yours, I bet you went to one of these Bosch universities like the city of Dreaming Spies.

[ooid]

DonkeyApple said:

Why is this country obsessed with Germany? I think that's the mental health issue that should be redressed in the first instance before the army of the mental go on their mad Crusade.

Good point. Beyond Cars, there is a strange obsession with Germany as many pointed out before;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/uk-has-remor...

[DonkeyApple]

RMDB9 said:

Forgive me, my grammar and interpunctation is not as good as yours, I bet you went to one of these Bosch universities like the city of Dreaming Spies.

I just bought a supply of apostrophes from China. They are much cheaper than the British ones and while not as good as German ones the savings are more than enough to compensate. And people can't even tell the difference. Look '''''''''

[DonkeyApple]

ooid said:

Good point. Beyond Cars, there is a strange obsession with Germany as many pointed out before;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/uk-has-remor...

Mind you, part of that can be explained away by the fact that few people in this country got the chance to be complicit in the murder of the neighbour they didn't like and now want to try and forget what they did. And you quietly know that if that had or did happen here then it would be those noisiest of little Britons who would have been first in the queue to get a pair of stomping boots and to grass up their neighbour.

It seems more about insecure men feeling threatened so they bang on about a war they had nothing to do with and a football game that in reality stands testament to the inferiority of the English footballer on the global pitch.

[RMDB9]

DonkeyApple said:

RMDB9 said:

Forgive me, my grammar and interpunctation is not as good as yours, I bet you went to one of these Bosch universities like the city of Dreaming Spies.

I just bought a supply of apostrophes from China. They are much cheaper than the British ones and while not as good as German ones the savings are more than enough to compensate. And people can't even tell the difference. Look '''''''''

You are killing British job's!!!! Pickering!!!! Shoived head!!! Foam!!!

Edited to add an apostolate.

[DonkeyApple]

RMDB9 said:

DonkeyApple said:

RMDB9 said:

Forgive me, my grammar and interpunctation is not as good as yours, I bet you went to one of these Bosch universities like the city of Dreaming Spies.

I just bought a supply of apostrophes from China. They are much cheaper than the British ones and while not as good as German ones the savings are more than enough to compensate. And people can't even tell the difference. Look '''''''''

You are killing British job's!!!! Pickering!!!! Shoived head!!! Foam!!!

Edited to add an apostolate.

I bet those aren't honest, British exclamation marks but cheap Chinese knock offs. Hypocrite.

[anonymous-user]

LuS1fer said:

Have to say that German cars have never appealed to me.
I've had a few but I was never a fanboy.
It strikes me that if everybody suddenly cancelled their German car orders, Europe might suddenly start to wonder who will buy them.

OK, you might not like the other options but....

Oh dear. You really haven't thought this through, have you? The UK car market is a consideration, but only provided it remains a healthy one for the EU. If everyone had been stupid enough to do as you suggested, then all that would have happened is that the UK would have lost more negotiating leverage. Once you wreck a market, you no longer have the ability to threaten that you're going to wreck a market. It becomes a fait accompli; you make the UK less attractive to the EU, and you end up reducing your bargaining power, not enhancing it.

Valuable insight into Brexit "thinking" lol

[DonkeyApple]

I suspect that the floodgates will be opened to Chinese cars as part of any trade deal with China along with large amounts of of other goods and services. But no one will notice as they'll be too busy shouting about chlorinated chicken in their Southern Frid Chicken deliveries.

[RMDB9]

DonkeyApple said:

RMDB9 said:

DonkeyApple said:

RMDB9 said:

Forgive me, my grammar and interpunctation is not as good as yours, I bet you went to one of these Bosch universities like the city of Dreaming Spies.

I just bought a supply of apostrophes from China. They are much cheaper than the British ones and while not as good as German ones the savings are more than enough to compensate. And people can't even tell the difference. Look '''''''''

You are killing British job's!!!! Pickering!!!! Shoived head!!! Foam!!!

Edited to add an apostolate.

I bet those aren't honest, British exclamation marks but cheap Chinese knock offs. Hypocrite.

First of all, full quote, just because.

Then - well, the exclamation marks were actually developed by German engineers Dr. Udo Lindenberg and Dr. Dieter Thomas Heck, in Bosch's R&D centre up north in Garmisch, but Gary, Colin and Ronnie (donkey jackets, "mustn't grumble" etc.) put them in a box with Union Jack logo and a drawing of John Cleese dressed as Victorian Laura Ashley/Judy Joan Collins, which makes them "British made", although the not-British-born retailer (Mr Ardeshir Zahedi from Banglaloredesh) keeps most of the profit margin.

Edited by RMDB9 on Sunday 27th December 12:34

[Fittster]

Ford Fiesta ST and Puma ST prices rise “due to Brexit”



Ford has substantially increased the prices of two of its most popular models for 2021, claiming that the rise is due to additional tariffs on components built outside the UK and EU.

According to UK price lists from December and January, the price of a Fiesta ST in ST-2 trim rose by £1455 at the start of this month. ST-3 and ST Edition models also went up by £1695, meaning the range now tops out at £28,770.

Also more expensive to buy this year is the recently launched Puma ST. That was available to order from September last year priced from £28,495, but this month that base price has increased to £30,415 with no equipment upgrades.

Speaking to Autocar, a Ford UK spokesman confirmed the rise was “all to do with Brexit pricing” because some of the engine components used in the production of both models are sourced from the US.

Those components push the two models over the allowable limit on what proportion of goods can be assembled from parts made outside of the UK and EU for tariff-free access. Known as ‘rules of origin’, it could mean a number of other UK models assembled in the EU from components made elsewhere become significantly more expensive.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/f...

[Sahjahd]

Fittster said:

Ford Fiesta ST and Puma ST prices rise “due to Brexit”



Ford has substantially increased the prices of two of its most popular models for 2021, claiming that the rise is due to additional tariffs on components built outside the UK and EU.

According to UK price lists from December and January, the price of a Fiesta ST in ST-2 trim rose by £1455 at the start of this month. ST-3 and ST Edition models also went up by £1695, meaning the range now tops out at £28,770.

Also more expensive to buy this year is the recently launched Puma ST. That was available to order from September last year priced from £28,495, but this month that base price has increased to £30,415 with no equipment upgrades.

Speaking to Autocar, a Ford UK spokesman confirmed the rise was “all to do with Brexit pricing” because some of the engine components used in the production of both models are sourced from the US.

Those components push the two models over the allowable limit on what proportion of goods can be assembled from parts made outside of the UK and EU for tariff-free access. Known as ‘rules of origin’, it could mean a number of other UK models assembled in the EU from components made elsewhere become significantly more expensive.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/f...

Is that another way of saying that global sourcing is not only bad for the notional Nation of manufacture, but is also bad for the consumer? Many still believe that Ford is a British brand, but as far as I am aware, almost none of their components are manufactured here, and no complete vehicles at all.

[Oilchange]

...so we will all being crying into our cornflakes?

Or b. the market will balance itself, sales will likely drop on that model and pick up on someone elses...

[ettore]

Fittster said:

Ford Fiesta ST and Puma ST prices rise “due to Brexit”



Ford has substantially increased the prices of two of its most popular models for 2021, claiming that the rise is due to additional tariffs on components built outside the UK and EU.

According to UK price lists from December and January, the price of a Fiesta ST in ST-2 trim rose by £1455 at the start of this month. ST-3 and ST Edition models also went up by £1695, meaning the range now tops out at £28,770.

Also more expensive to buy this year is the recently launched Puma ST. That was available to order from September last year priced from £28,495, but this month that base price has increased to £30,415 with no equipment upgrades.

Speaking to Autocar, a Ford UK spokesman confirmed the rise was “all to do with Brexit pricing” because some of the engine components used in the production of both models are sourced from the US.

Those components push the two models over the allowable limit on what proportion of goods can be assembled from parts made outside of the UK and EU for tariff-free access. Known as ‘rules of origin’, it could mean a number of other UK models assembled in the EU from components made elsewhere become significantly more expensive.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/f...

This is a rather specious report - we have equivalency with the EU on this - would have been exactly the same had we remained in the EU but the headline would have been different...

[vikingaero]

Fittster said:

Ford Fiesta ST and Puma ST prices rise “due to Brexit”



Ford has substantially increased the prices of two of its most popular models for 2021, claiming that the rise is due to additional tariffs on components built outside the UK and EU.

According to UK price lists from December and January, the price of a Fiesta ST in ST-2 trim rose by £1455 at the start of this month. ST-3 and ST Edition models also went up by £1695, meaning the range now tops out at £28,770.

Also more expensive to buy this year is the recently launched Puma ST. That was available to order from September last year priced from £28,495, but this month that base price has increased to £30,415 with no equipment upgrades.

Speaking to Autocar, a Ford UK spokesman confirmed the rise was “all to do with Brexit pricing” because some of the engine components used in the production of both models are sourced from the US.

Those components push the two models over the allowable limit on what proportion of goods can be assembled from parts made outside of the UK and EU for tariff-free access. Known as ‘rules of origin’, it could mean a number of other UK models assembled in the EU from components made elsewhere become significantly more expensive.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/f...

Ford have always been mentalists with their list pricing - I'm sorry, but £21k for an EcoSport or £33k for a Galaxy...

Meanwhile in the real world what matters is the transaction price.

[anonymous-user]

vikingaero said:

Ford have always been mentalists with their list pricing - I'm sorry, but £21k for an EcoSport or £33k for a Galaxy...

Meanwhile in the real world what matters is the transaction price.

During the 2009 Scrappage scheme I had an eligible car that was costing me money in repairs and went to the local Ford dealer to enquire about getting a Ford Focus, nothing flash, just a 1.6 petrol. I seem to recall that with the scrappage discount applied it would be something like £18K. Upon hearing this I made my excuses and left.

From that point on the salesman would call me every week or so with a better offer, from what I can remember the final time he called me the price was down to £12K with the scrappage.

Still didn't go for it.

[Sway]

ettore said:

This is a rather specious report - we have equivalency with the EU on this - would have been exactly the same had we remained in the EU but the headline would have been different...

Not quite is my understanding...

The US components always attracted tariffs - there's no change there. In fact, now the EU based factory is able to claim inward processing relief against those tariffs and not pay them as the finished good is being exported. So there's actually a cost reduction on that side.

What appears to be the case, is that the finished car when exported from the EU to the UK doesn't have sufficient "EU content" as a percentage of the ex works price to qualify under the EU/UK FTA - and so the cars attract tariffs as though they'd been made in the US.

That's surprising, as the permissible percentage of ex works cost is pretty high - and there's a lot that makes up that cost.