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Fastdruid said:
Low revs with a torquey powerful engine can make it worse. If you're high up in the revs but not putting significant power down you've not got much throttle on, so if it starts to spin up there is only a relatively small amount of relatively slow wheel acceleration and it'll not overspeed much before it'll hit the limiter.
If on the other hand you're low down in the revs, a heft dose of throttle on (because its not making as much power there) then if it spins up then it'll *really* spin up, the wheel speed will be massively faster than the front and you'll end up backwards through a hedge.
Even more so if it's something turbo'd (I think the GT3 isn't FI but I'm no beardy enough on my Porches to be certain).
Having had new Mustangs and the C8 Corvette, I can very much concur with this. If on the other hand you're low down in the revs, a heft dose of throttle on (because its not making as much power there) then if it spins up then it'll *really* spin up, the wheel speed will be massively faster than the front and you'll end up backwards through a hedge.
Even more so if it's something turbo'd (I think the GT3 isn't FI but I'm no beardy enough on my Porches to be certain).
Pulling out of junctions with relatively low revs on can the back end overtaking the front in a heartbeat!
havoc said:
I can't disagree, although I do recall BMW asking buyers to sign a waiver for the E46 CSL if that was being supplied with the standard-fit Cup tyres.
...so it wouldn't surprise me if Porsche did the same.
What would be more appropriate, particularly for this sort of car, is a complimentary driver training course prior to handover. A bit of skid-pan work, a bit of track-time with an instructor, possibly starting off in a 'lesser' car doing the same things first but slower, before moving onto the halo car. Yes you'll always get the powerfully-built company director who knows it all and doesn't want to bother, but I'd wager most buyers would enjoy a free mess-around / bit of instructor time.
I know someone who had a 911 and subsequently sold it after scaring himself s...so it wouldn't surprise me if Porsche did the same.
What would be more appropriate, particularly for this sort of car, is a complimentary driver training course prior to handover. A bit of skid-pan work, a bit of track-time with an instructor, possibly starting off in a 'lesser' car doing the same things first but slower, before moving onto the halo car. Yes you'll always get the powerfully-built company director who knows it all and doesn't want to bother, but I'd wager most buyers would enjoy a free mess-around / bit of instructor time.
tless one wet winter evening. He's a tax consultancy director with absolutely no interest in cars beyond the image they project.Before the incident, when I suggested that some performance driver training was more or less essential to really understand the car, he laughed it off. "I passed my test, just like you did, I know what I'm doing".
IIRC there was a post on here years ago, describing where someone bought themselves a TVR as a retirement present and promptly did a Paul Walker, killing himself and the friend he was trying to impress.
5s Alive said:
I know someone who had a 911 and subsequently sold it after scaring himself stless one wet winter evening. He's a tax consultancy director with absolutely no interest in cars beyond the image they project.
Before the incident, when I suggested that some performance driver training was more or less essential to really understand the car, he laughed it off. "I passed my test, just like you did, I know what I'm doing".
IIRC there was a post on here years ago, describing where someone bought themselves a TVR as a retirement present and promptly did a Paul Walker, killing himself and the friend he was trying to impress.
He did a Paul Walker? Walker was a passenger in a car that crashed. tless one wet winter evening. He's a tax consultancy director with absolutely no interest in cars beyond the image they project.Before the incident, when I suggested that some performance driver training was more or less essential to really understand the car, he laughed it off. "I passed my test, just like you did, I know what I'm doing".
IIRC there was a post on here years ago, describing where someone bought themselves a TVR as a retirement present and promptly did a Paul Walker, killing himself and the friend he was trying to impress.
trails said:
Piginapoke said:
paulguitar said:
You'd have to be a berk to crash a brand-new car within 30 mins. Looks like a built-up area too, it was probably seriously stupid driving. Luckily it looks like no one else was taken out.
He needs to be grateful that no-one was on the pavement- idiotic driving and hopefully a ban coming.could be something similar here, something missed at PDI.
r5kdt said:
trails said:
Piginapoke said:
paulguitar said:
You'd have to be a berk to crash a brand-new car within 30 mins. Looks like a built-up area too, it was probably seriously stupid driving. Luckily it looks like no one else was taken out.
He needs to be grateful that no-one was on the pavement- idiotic driving and hopefully a ban coming.could be something similar here, something missed at PDI.
I wonder if we will ever find out...
trails said:
Many potential underlying causes, all to easy for the righteous to jump to conclusions when speaking from a position of ignorance, and blame the driver.
I wonder if we will ever find out...
We know with absolute certainty who is at fault.I wonder if we will ever find out...
It's R11ysf.
On PH, the OP is always wrong.
Its easy for folk to get all sanctimonious about crashing, "there but for the grace of god go I" sort of applies, I hate the "Ran out of talent" and "More money than sense" type replies, its a bit too jealous old bd in the Daily Mail comments section.
That said, I suspect that there was an element of over exuberance and maybe a lack of understanding about the capabilities of the vehicle when its not in ideal conditions that everything is specified and configured for.
But, we all need to learn from our mistakes, and other peoples, that massive resource we have of video of people exiting car events and causing an incident, those where bikers go down the side of traffic and get caught by a car turning etc, and stay humble, whatever car you have and however talented you think you may be as a driver as anyone can get it wrong.
Thankfully nobody was hurt, thats the main thing and you cant take that back, the car will probably be repaired, insurance will pay out, meh its only another bloody Porsche, doesnt matter, but that could have killed or paralysed someone, someone said thats their dog walking route, so if the time was different they could have ended up squashed along with their dog. I had some cretin in a Polo one evening mount the pavement when I was walking the dog, they appeared not to notice the curve in the road, wasnt that close but two poop bags were required that evening
d in the Daily Mail comments section.That said, I suspect that there was an element of over exuberance and maybe a lack of understanding about the capabilities of the vehicle when its not in ideal conditions that everything is specified and configured for.
But, we all need to learn from our mistakes, and other peoples, that massive resource we have of video of people exiting car events and causing an incident, those where bikers go down the side of traffic and get caught by a car turning etc, and stay humble, whatever car you have and however talented you think you may be as a driver as anyone can get it wrong.
Thankfully nobody was hurt, thats the main thing and you cant take that back, the car will probably be repaired, insurance will pay out, meh its only another bloody Porsche, doesnt matter, but that could have killed or paralysed someone, someone said thats their dog walking route, so if the time was different they could have ended up squashed along with their dog. I had some cretin in a Polo one evening mount the pavement when I was walking the dog, they appeared not to notice the curve in the road, wasnt that close but two poop bags were required that evening
trails said:
Many potential underlying causes, all to easy for the righteous to jump to conclusions when speaking from a position of ignorance, and blame the driver.
I wonder if we will ever find out...
It is driver error in something like 98% of cases. Indeed in cases like this where a supercar or performance car goes off the road but nothing else does, it's possibly more than 98%. I wonder if we will ever find out...
WPA said:
Serious question regarding the Porsche, considering the value and the fact that it cannot be replaced (sold out) would it still not be repaired or is it beyond repair.
Mat Armstrong maybe. Not sure if he has a thing about not doing the same type of car after the one he rebuilt in the US.J4CKO said:
Its easy for folk to get all sanctimonious about crashing, "there but for the grace of god go I" sort of applies, I hate the "Ran out of talent" and "More money than sense" type replies, its a bit too jealous old bd in the Daily Mail comments section.
That said, I suspect that there was an element of over exuberance and maybe a lack of understanding about the capabilities of the vehicle when its not in ideal conditions that everything is specified and configured for.
I shortened your post, but I was interested enough to look at Google maps to see if one of the roundabouts had a fuel station on it to see if it could've been diesel on the road.d in the Daily Mail comments section.That said, I suspect that there was an element of over exuberance and maybe a lack of understanding about the capabilities of the vehicle when its not in ideal conditions that everything is specified and configured for.
Somebody on a motorcycle came off on a damp roundabout in front of a colleague. Police turned up and an officer said it could be diesel on the road as there's a transport depot a couple of hundred yards up the road.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 5th March 18:16
heebeegeetee said:
It is driver error in something like 98% of cases. Indeed in cases like this where a supercar or performance car goes off the road but nothing else does, it's possibly more than 98%.
98% of what kind of cases?All I can see is a crashed car...surely everything else is assumption unless you were a witness.
It may well be driver error, but nobody on here knows, and nobody on here knows what (if any), the contributing factors were.
h0b0 said:
When did we go from
"Show us your crash pics!!" to "Show us random pics of crashed cars and speculate?"
This new version is very dull and we are not learning from other's lessons.
It’s your choice to read and interact with us hobo, if the current discussion isn’t of interest just check back in a few days time, the thread will have moved on. It’s no great hardship now is it. Meanwhile those of us who want to discuss a particular crash can do so…."Show us your crash pics!!" to "Show us random pics of crashed cars and speculate?"
This new version is very dull and we are not learning from other's lessons.
Just a thought.
Anyway enjoy your evening.
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