Nasty Ring accident today at Bergwerk
Discussion
CraigyMc said:
thewheelman said:
Remember, the Nurburgring claims on average 12 deaths a year. Usually the 'ring gets closed several times a day for clean ups etc. This is only news due to the cars involved. As i said, you'd see far bigger accidents than this on a regular basis.
The thing I found scary was that the number reported as being "Nurburgring deaths" were only the people who died at the scene. The various people who were still alive as they drove off in the ambulance would not count as "Nurburgring deaths" even if they died on arrival at the hospital.I'd be interested to know where the 12 number came from though.
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C8PPO said:
Exactly, as per my post.
I recall several years ago that the true toll was more like 1 a week, and even then I'm not sure whether that was on-scene deaths only or the real total.
Certainly in the '80's when I first went there the general opinion was that there was about one death a week as a result of an accident there, regardless of if they made it to the hospital still tecnically alive or not.I recall several years ago that the true toll was more like 1 a week, and even then I'm not sure whether that was on-scene deaths only or the real total.
The last time I went round was nearly 5 yers ago now and we were driving very carefully, not even swiftly enough to get anywhere near making the tyres work to their limits at any point and I spent more time looking behind me than forwards...
Since every man and his dog now knows every corner like the back of their hand [sic] I might take the CS for a lap or two next year but I am more likely to be giving RSR a call.
JonnyFive said:
It is a race track though. When you book on a track day, you accept you're at a race track and these things could happen.. Where as at the 'Ring, anything can go on. I overtook a shed of a Corsa, and a campervan on the same lap. Neither would be found on a track day.
You drive through those barriers onto the track, you've accepted what could happen when you run out of skill/your vehicle isn't suitable for it.
The deaths because of others, oil spill/cutting across bikers are very unfortunate though.
On TF days you will occasionally see coaches taking people round it to see what it's like.You drive through those barriers onto the track, you've accepted what could happen when you run out of skill/your vehicle isn't suitable for it.
The deaths because of others, oil spill/cutting across bikers are very unfortunate though.
I've actually no problem with the entrance(s) being open while works are going on.
It's safer in at least one respect - a total novice like me can bimble round in 15-20 minutes without worrying about being rear-ended by a local hotshot who doesn't want to lift.
I did this last year - the serious folk stopped entering the track, so I did enter it, and took it at my own pace (absolutely respecting "see far enough ahead to stop").
I saw two separate accidents being cleared up (neither looked serious) on my way round and only had to be overtaken 5 or so times by various fast cars.
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thepony said:
This is a good example in why NOT to go to the Nurburgring.
Yep.But like all worthwhile experiences, there is an element of risk.
You consider the risk, mitigate it as far as you can, then you get on with it.
Would I take my Esprit on the Nurburgring? Nope.
Would I take a properly insured hire car? Most certainly.
Would I miss out on the experience because it is more dangerous than staying in bed? Never.
Tyre Smoke said:
Cover is not a problem, it's covered by law on your existing policy under European cover. It is the difficult problem of ensuring the insurance company doesn't try to reclaim their liabilities from you.
But most now explicitly exclude the ring. I know this has been challenged on here, but as far as I can see if its excluded then your stuffed.thewheelman said:
Wrong! http://nurburgring.org.uk/insurance.php People really need to get their insurance checked before hand.
The headline in that linked page (Ben Lovejoys, as was) isnt accurate.Edited by GC8 on Monday 3rd October 13:02
andyps said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Cover is not a problem, it's covered by law on your existing policy under European cover. It is the difficult problem of ensuring the insurance company doesn't try to reclaim their liabilities from you.
My policy from Admiral specifically mentions the Ring as an exception for where my car is not covered in Europe.The Nurburgring "Nordschleife" is mentioned in black and white on my policy as an exception too
andyps said:
My policy from Admiral specifically mentions the Ring as an exception for where my car is not covered in Europe.
I dont doubt what you say, but Admiral can not exclude third party cover on any European road (any more than they can the M6T or the Cat and Fiddle). The real problem will be your own insured loss and their trying to recover the 3rd party losses from you. Until someone with time, money and a QC fights, theyll probably continue to try this...Love the ring and the huge shot of adreneline it provides but this story does highlight the dangers of the place. I've done the ring in my own car on a few occasions and don't think I'm going to take my own car again. Far easier to fly to Cologne and use a fully insured hire car then take a chance on being sued for 10 million euros by some poor biker that hit your car.
Gary C said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Cover is not a problem, it's covered by law on your existing policy under European cover. It is the difficult problem of ensuring the insurance company doesn't try to reclaim their liabilities from you.
But most now explicitly exclude the ring. I know this has been challenged on here, but as far as I can see if its excluded then your stuffed.C
I havent been but intend to at some point. I think the problems come as people get more and more obsessed with lap times and general Willy Waving, going utterly balls out trying to set a time and grab some glory.
It is a bit of fun and lets remember we arent all racing drivers in a car someone else has paid for, people can and do get killed and injured, people can and do ruin their only car and land themselves with some huge bills that can take years to recover from.
Just leave something in reserve and expect the unexpected is my attitude to it.
It is a bit of fun and lets remember we arent all racing drivers in a car someone else has paid for, people can and do get killed and injured, people can and do ruin their only car and land themselves with some huge bills that can take years to recover from.
Just leave something in reserve and expect the unexpected is my attitude to it.
thepony said:
How on earth do people with such exotica CSLs/Porsche GT3s, Ferraris etc beable to drive around the Nurburgring and not worry about crashing it / someone crashing into them / going too fast into a corner and losing it?
Are they all on 200k a year jobs or something?
There won't be many people owning newish Ferraris that earn less than the equivalent of £200k pa. Many, many of them will earn/be worth considerably more than that, so bending a car on the Nurburgring would hardly be the end of the world...Are they all on 200k a year jobs or something?
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