RE: Meet the 200mph Ford Mustang Shelby GT500
Discussion
Verde said:
Just not a fan. Excellent fundamental engine design but then add a big supercharger with it's commensurate challenge of generating heat-soak, a solid rear axle, weight of nearly two tons and loads of weight over the front axle. Who is this car for?
Sounds like a mercedes or bmw without the solid axle part and they find plenty of willing buyers at double the price. bigdog3 said:
You might be missing the point 
With petrol costing £6.05 per gallon ($9.59), fuel economy worse than 50 mpg is simply unaffordable unless the car is a plaything and does no miles. Even fuel costs of a 1600 diesel are crippling.
Most unfortunately, the days of wonderful V8 power are over at least in the UK
nb Fuel duty is independent of oil price, but of course VAT isn't (just clarification in case you were confused)
Bit of a sweeping statement that less than 50mpg is unaffordable.....Thats a lot of cars driving around that are "unaffordable"With petrol costing £6.05 per gallon ($9.59), fuel economy worse than 50 mpg is simply unaffordable unless the car is a plaything and does no miles. Even fuel costs of a 1600 diesel are crippling.
Most unfortunately, the days of wonderful V8 power are over at least in the UK
nb Fuel duty is independent of oil price, but of course VAT isn't (just clarification in case you were confused)
-Z- said:
Bit of a sweeping statement that less than 50mpg is unaffordable.....Thats a lot of cars driving around that are "unaffordable"
Yes criticism accepted 
I try to keep fuel costs down to 10p/mile but even 50mpg equates to 12p/mile. Leased a car recently that only did 30mpg (worst than expected) - at 20p/mile the fuel bills were frightening 
Unaffordable is subjective, just depends what you are willing and capable of paying. Even the average housefold spends £1700/year on road fuel and I suspect most question if this expenditure is affordable. Something has to give or the finances don't balance.
Grovsie26 said:
Will it still handle like a boat? and have an interior that would embarrass a 70's BL car?
Sweet power though! and love the looks, colour is ace.
"still handle like a boat"? Perhaps you know nothing about the recent mustangs....the new Boss mustang has lapped Laguna Seca faster than an R8 and smoked the M3 that it was designed to outhandle. Quite impressive company.Sweet power though! and love the looks, colour is ace.
thirsty said:
An amazing car and I am lusting for one now. However ... There must be something fundamentally wrong with this chassis considering the money Ford spends to make this car something special, but still insist on sticking with that stupid solid rear axle. It's also puzzling because this car was based on the old Jag S Type chassis. This is an old argument to be sure, but with HP and perfomance starting to reach crazy proportions, why haven't they fixed it? Is Ford just being stuborn?
All said, I would still like one.
you have to take into consideration that a (good) IRS is quite pricey, and that many people who buy the GT500 drag race (which the LRA is far better for). Besides, judging from reviews, the suspension is still pretty good. Read up, might change your mind a bit.All said, I would still like one.
btw, rumor is that the 2014 (50th anniversary) will be IRS
bigdog3 said:
You might be missing the point
With petrol costing £6.05 per gallon ($9.59), fuel economy worse than 50 mpg is simply unaffordable unless the car is a plaything and does no miles. Even fuel costs of a 1600 diesel are crippling.
Most unfortunately, the days of wonderful V8 power are over at least in the UK
nb Fuel duty is independent of oil price, but of course VAT isn't (just clarification in case you were confused)
As an owner of a 2011 GT used as a daily driver I beg to differ.With petrol costing £6.05 per gallon ($9.59), fuel economy worse than 50 mpg is simply unaffordable unless the car is a plaything and does no miles. Even fuel costs of a 1600 diesel are crippling.
Most unfortunately, the days of wonderful V8 power are over at least in the UK
nb Fuel duty is independent of oil price, but of course VAT isn't (just clarification in case you were confused)
Fuel is not the only expense when running a car and affordability is surely subject to individual income. To say less than 50mpg is unaffordable is a sweeping statement.
A modern Mustang represents great value for money.
Taking the standard GT as an example what other mainstream car producer offers a 412hp car on the road in the UK at less than 35K? The car turns in an average of 24mpg in daily use (my real world experience over 16000').
The servicing is standard Ford money my last major service at 10000' was 200 quid.
The GT costs no more to run than a typical SUV and has 10x the street credibility.
I love the look of the 2013 range of Mustangs and will be trading up.
[quote=swerni]I wonder how much w are going to end up paying over here.?
The current GT500 is close to £50k, this won't be any cheaper.
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These cars really are priced well for the home market in North America. The current GT500 on the road would be about 60K dollars with pretty good kit. That's about 38K pounds. They seem to price out well here in Switzerland and are good value compared to the German variety, although considerably more than the USA.
The current GT500 is close to £50k, this won't be any cheaper.
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These cars really are priced well for the home market in North America. The current GT500 on the road would be about 60K dollars with pretty good kit. That's about 38K pounds. They seem to price out well here in Switzerland and are good value compared to the German variety, although considerably more than the USA.
bigdog3 said:
-Z- said:
Bit of a sweeping statement that less than 50mpg is unaffordable.....Thats a lot of cars driving around that are "unaffordable"
Yes criticism accepted I try to keep fuel costs down to 10p/mile but even 50mpg equates to 12p/mile. Leased a car recently that only did 30mpg (worst than expected) - at 20p/mile the fuel bills were frightening Unaffordable is subjective, just depends what you are willing and capable of paying. Even the average housefold spends £1700/year on road fuel and I suspect most question if this expenditure is affordable. Something has to give or the finances don't balance.
ZeeTacoe said:
bigdog3 said:
-Z- said:
Bit of a sweeping statement that less than 50mpg is unaffordable.....Thats a lot of cars driving around that are "unaffordable"
Yes criticism accepted I try to keep fuel costs down to 10p/mile but even 50mpg equates to 12p/mile. Leased a car recently that only did 30mpg (worst than expected) - at 20p/mile the fuel bills were frightening Unaffordable is subjective, just depends what you are willing and capable of paying. Even the average housefold spends £1700/year on road fuel and I suspect most question if this expenditure is affordable. Something has to give or the finances don't balance.
Reality is grim - the world of Mustang GT500s is much more fun
ZeeTacoe said:
jellison said:
If the ZR1 with 638bhp can't quite do 200 how is this BOX.
Ford now making top notch engines to take it to Chevy.
I do prefer the way Chevy do it with the modern interpretation on pushrod tech though, why all those extra moving parts when you can do it with less
The ZR1 does more than 200, I think it can hit 205 mph.Ford now making top notch engines to take it to Chevy.
I do prefer the way Chevy do it with the modern interpretation on pushrod tech though, why all those extra moving parts when you can do it with less
jellison said:
If the ZR1 with 638bhp can't quite do 200 how is this BOX.
Ford now making top notch engines to take it to Chevy.
I do prefer the way Chevy do it with the modern interpretation on pushrod tech though, why all those extra moving parts when you can do it with less
.Ford now making top notch engines to take it to Chevy.
I do prefer the way Chevy do it with the modern interpretation on pushrod tech though, why all those extra moving parts when you can do it with less
I very much think Ford are telling porkies in teh top speed department.
I seriosly don't think that the Mustang will crack the 200 mph
The Z1 'vette is still closer to the 200 mhp than the new 'stang will be.
vette
bigdog3 said:
ZeeTacoe said:
bigdog3 said:
-Z- said:
Bit of a sweeping statement that less than 50mpg is unaffordable.....Thats a lot of cars driving around that are "unaffordable"
Yes criticism accepted I try to keep fuel costs down to 10p/mile but even 50mpg equates to 12p/mile. Leased a car recently that only did 30mpg (worst than expected) - at 20p/mile the fuel bills were frightening Unaffordable is subjective, just depends what you are willing and capable of paying. Even the average housefold spends £1700/year on road fuel and I suspect most question if this expenditure is affordable. Something has to give or the finances don't balance.
Reality is grim - the world of Mustang GT500s is much more fun
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