RE: Insignia VXR Supersport: 170mph for sub £30K
Discussion
I actually really like these, think the styling is great. It might not be the most relevant fast saloon in the world but I think Vauxhall should be congratulated for pursuing it. Didn't everyone love the Mondeo ST220? Ford chose not to replace it. The Vectra VXR was crap, but Vauxhall came back with the Insignia VXR which is a vastly more capable car. That surely deserves some commendation? Yes, it's a very brave person who buys a turbocharged V6 car with a griffin in the grille, but I'm happy something like this still exists.
For the right royally stupid, a recap is in order.
The Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
i really shouldnt be getting as frustrated as i am with the seemingly endless stream of stupid today. hey ho.
The Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
i really shouldnt be getting as frustrated as i am with the seemingly endless stream of stupid today. hey ho.
Grovsie26 said:
Gotta love PH. 0-60 is still the performance benchmark. 5.6 seconds is slow. Maybe if it had launch control and a PDK gearbox you'd be more impressed as it would lob the time time to 5 seconds easily.
You’re not the first person that has sniggered at 0-60 mph in 5.6 seconds in this thread and it makes me laugh.What planet do you people live on? I am aware that the new wave of supercars and hypercars are producing figures close to this to 100mph and I love a ridiculously fast car as much as the next person on PH but come on, 0-60 in 5.6 seconds out on the road is still fast and in all likelihood more performance than you can hope to use monday-friday.
Also where is the fun in pulling a paddle or pressing a button, flooring the throttle, removing your foot from the brake and leaving the throttle pinned until you bottle it or start to fear for your licence?
Pointless!
Nope, my SRi isn't privately owned; which probably makes the point more valid that wouldn't aspire to or want a VXR.
I'm of the 'I'd rather spend £30k on a used (insert BMW, Audi etc here) than a new VXR. Or any new car, if its my money I'm spending.
She Who Must Be Obeyed bought a new 320d mSport Touring and lived it.
But
She now drives whatever car she's bought at auction (currently a Fabia vrs) to cut costs, depreciation etc (it's a work tool), prior to that a Mini Cooper S and a Honda Civic S-type GT CDTI.
Plus she hates cars that shout 'look at me' due to a combination of loud colour, huge wheels etc due to her line of work.
My Insignifica had a list price of circa £24k inc sat nav, phone etc which on paper makes the VXR look good value.
Until you realise big fleets get £10k off (I know, I asked) making it a £14k car;
All of a sudden the VXR is, on paper, twice as much as my car, does less mpg, costs more to tax and insure, loses more in depreciation, and can still legally only do 70mph on the M1.
Doesnt sound such a bargain when put in those terms....
I'm of the 'I'd rather spend £30k on a used (insert BMW, Audi etc here) than a new VXR. Or any new car, if its my money I'm spending.
She Who Must Be Obeyed bought a new 320d mSport Touring and lived it.
But
She now drives whatever car she's bought at auction (currently a Fabia vrs) to cut costs, depreciation etc (it's a work tool), prior to that a Mini Cooper S and a Honda Civic S-type GT CDTI.
Plus she hates cars that shout 'look at me' due to a combination of loud colour, huge wheels etc due to her line of work.
My Insignifica had a list price of circa £24k inc sat nav, phone etc which on paper makes the VXR look good value.
Until you realise big fleets get £10k off (I know, I asked) making it a £14k car;
All of a sudden the VXR is, on paper, twice as much as my car, does less mpg, costs more to tax and insure, loses more in depreciation, and can still legally only do 70mph on the M1.
Doesnt sound such a bargain when put in those terms....
Pixelpeep said:
For the right royally stupid, a recap is in order.
The Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
i really shouldnt be getting as frustrated as i am with the seemingly endless stream of stupid today. hey ho.
All you say is valid. A friend of mine bought one new in 2010 (got it for £26k too), and it was stunning to drive, when it worked. In the 2 years he had it, it spent 5 months at Vauxhall being fixed. The Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
i really shouldnt be getting as frustrated as i am with the seemingly endless stream of stupid today. hey ho.
Constant engine warnings, turbo went, had a new engine loom in the end as well as an ECU. Yes, all under warranty, but transferring his insurance to courtesy cars every other month cost a fair bit.When he part-ex it, got £18k for it (about 15k miles). Imagine he'd actually paid the full £33k for it!
Pixelpeep said:
For the right royally stupid, a recap is in order.
The Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
i really shouldnt be getting as frustrated as i am with the seemingly endless stream of stupid today. hey ho.
Get your point on the annoying new/used comparison but how about thisThe Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
i really shouldnt be getting as frustrated as i am with the seemingly endless stream of stupid today. hey ho.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
Faster 0-60 with great spec leather, keyless all that pointless crap. Brand new. Cheaper. Dont know if it will hit 170mph though. Is at less than list so i guess cheating a little.
ianwayne said:
All you say is valid. A friend of mine bought one new in 2010 (got it for £26k too), and it was stunning to drive, when it worked. In the 2 years he had it, it spent 5 months at Vauxhall being fixed. Constant engine warnings, turbo went, had a new engine loom in the end as well as an ECU. Yes, all under warranty, but transferring his insurance to courtesy cars every other month cost a fair bit.
When he part-ex it, got £18k for it (about 15k miles). Imagine he'd actually paid the full £33k for it!
Why was he insuring courtesy privately on his own insurance? Or is that how it is these days? Constant engine warnings, turbo went, had a new engine loom in the end as well as an ECU. Yes, all under warranty, but transferring his insurance to courtesy cars every other month cost a fair bit.When he part-ex it, got £18k for it (about 15k miles). Imagine he'd actually paid the full £33k for it!
I guess it'd be interesting to see how much a 2 year old 15,000 mile £26k BMW would be worth to compare (I have no idea). But would it have been hugely different?
IAJO said:
Get your point on the annoying new/used comparison but how about this
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
Faster 0-60 with great spec leather, keyless all that pointless crap. Brand new. Cheaper. Dont know if it will hit 170mph though. Is at less than list so i guess cheating a little.
now THAT is a good comparison. I would also argue that the Subaru is less likely to let you down.http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
Faster 0-60 with great spec leather, keyless all that pointless crap. Brand new. Cheaper. Dont know if it will hit 170mph though. Is at less than list so i guess cheating a little.
Am I missing something here? People still manage to find fault with a brand new 170mph car for less than £30k?
Vauxhalls have really improved over the years, and whilst it might be a little shouty in that blue, I bet it would look great in gloss black.
Considering some people/idiots spend that sort of money on a diesel Mercedes A class with a few extras, this car is ludicrously good value for money.
Vauxhalls have really improved over the years, and whilst it might be a little shouty in that blue, I bet it would look great in gloss black.
Considering some people/idiots spend that sort of money on a diesel Mercedes A class with a few extras, this car is ludicrously good value for money.
Pixelpeep said:
For the right royally stupid, a recap is in order.
The Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
You're wasting your time posting that. Don't you know that it's one of the rules on PH that you have to compare every new car with a used one regardless of age never mind whether it's even a direct competitor.The Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
I've not driven the VXR but have driven the Elite CDTi on several different ocaissions and I've been impressed with it. It's comfortable, has a very modern and well built interior and does pretty much everything you could ask of a family car.
The VXR will depreciate heavily, as you'ld expect of most non premium brands, which is why I'ld never consider buying one but if i could afford the running costs I'ld be tempted by a used one.
IAJO said:
Pixelpeep said:
For the right royally stupid, a recap is in order.
The Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
i really shouldnt be getting as frustrated as i am with the seemingly endless stream of stupid today. hey ho.
Get your point on the annoying new/used comparison but how about thisThe Insignia being discussed on this thread is a NEW car.
0 Owners
0 Miles
Life time Warranty
No MOT for 3 years
1st Years Road Tax
It shouldnt come as a shock that a used car might be quicker/cheaper/more comfortable but it will not be, by any stretch of the imagination, a NEW car.
find a NEW car thats the same size, roughly the same performance, same key features - THEN compare price/performance
once you've got your heads round that, you might understand what the OP was on about.
i really shouldnt be getting as frustrated as i am with the seemingly endless stream of stupid today. hey ho.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
Faster 0-60 with great spec leather, keyless all that pointless crap. Brand new. Cheaper. Dont know if it will hit 170mph though. Is at less than list so i guess cheating a little.
Why, he giggles, has a Subaru got 4wd AND traction control?
The barometer of used prices is 'the auction'.
BCA, if you have an account, give full descriptions of each car, complete with condition, and both CAP and Glasses prices.
Simple.
Er, no.
Go to, for instance, a BMW open sale and be amazed at how Mini Cooper S'a fetch almost FULL retail price (and the dealer still had to add his bit on).
So guide values are only a guide, so a BMW may have a better retained value at 3 years than said VXR, but it depends on mileage, condition and how many punters want that car.
An inexact science.
But I'd still rather spend £x amount on a BMW than the VXR.
I'm not overly a proponant of Vauxhall, mine has had a few spurious warning gongs and lights, but its a Ronseal car, doing what it says on the tin. Remarkably well actually (my average mpg from new us 48.9, mostly on the school run(
But to me the VXR is like a rat with a gold tooth....
The barometer of used prices is 'the auction'.
BCA, if you have an account, give full descriptions of each car, complete with condition, and both CAP and Glasses prices.
Simple.
Er, no.
Go to, for instance, a BMW open sale and be amazed at how Mini Cooper S'a fetch almost FULL retail price (and the dealer still had to add his bit on).
So guide values are only a guide, so a BMW may have a better retained value at 3 years than said VXR, but it depends on mileage, condition and how many punters want that car.
An inexact science.
But I'd still rather spend £x amount on a BMW than the VXR.
I'm not overly a proponant of Vauxhall, mine has had a few spurious warning gongs and lights, but its a Ronseal car, doing what it says on the tin. Remarkably well actually (my average mpg from new us 48.9, mostly on the school run(
But to me the VXR is like a rat with a gold tooth....
Edited by rtz62 on Wednesday 7th November 16:50
the_hood said:
The VXR will depreciate heavily, as you'ld expect of most non premium brands, which is why I'ld never consider buying one but if i could afford the running costs I'ld be tempted by a used one.
Big engined premium brands don't do too well either i don't thinkIn the PH classifieds today...
3 Year old BMW 5 SERIES 530i SE 4dr (2009) £14,981
3 Year old Vauxhall Insignia VXR 2.8T Red (2009) £21,999
Both roughly the same new price.. interesting!
rtz62 said:
But I'd still rather spend £x amount on a BMW than the VXR.
£30k at vauxhall is going to get you more than £30k at BMWits a premium brand because you pay a PREMIUM to have it.
one day soon people will realise that a t-shirt with no logo on it can do just as good a job as a t-shirt with a small aligator on it.
try it, you might like it. If not, imagine how drunk you could get with the change?
Rosscow said:
Come on, lets face it.
They are cheap because they're Vauxhall s
te.
It looks horrible.
The comparison above between Adidas and Gola is very apt. I'd go for the 24k mile M5 every day of the week!
Not for me.
I'm sorry but looking through your garage of cars how can you even begin to put a constructive bit of criticism against Vauxhall???They are cheap because they're Vauxhall s
te.It looks horrible.
The comparison above between Adidas and Gola is very apt. I'd go for the 24k mile M5 every day of the week!
Not for me.
Is it because Clarkson says so?
Well I've actually owned a lot of cars over the years and the improved quality of current Vauxhalls is easily on a par with the 'premium' brands. I currently have a BMW, Merc and a Porsche and I wouldn't say any of them are better built than the numerous Vauxhalls I've had. In fact, my last Vauxhall was a GTC and it was an excellent car.
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