RE: Renaultsport Clio 200 price confirmed
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Sounds like the perfect commuter car and a great change from my 500abarth. The twin clutch will be excellent in traffic as will the turbo engine (more torque lower down). I am also lucky to have something more potent when my left foot and arm need some exercise. I can even have heated seats and for the moments the sproglets need to come along the visually well disguised rear doors are a boon.
By comparison, I rather like the new A-class, but have you seen the price of a decent one? I think this is great value at 20k especially given the nav, Bluetooth etc in the price.
I saw one in Paris 2 weeks ago and a standard diesel where I am skiing this week. Looks rather nice in the flesh to my eyes.
Now- which dealer would like to take my order? I rang a major london one twice last week and got no answer.
By comparison, I rather like the new A-class, but have you seen the price of a decent one? I think this is great value at 20k especially given the nav, Bluetooth etc in the price.
I saw one in Paris 2 weeks ago and a standard diesel where I am skiing this week. Looks rather nice in the flesh to my eyes.
Now- which dealer would like to take my order? I rang a major london one twice last week and got no answer.
nick_j007 said:
mrdemon said:
I would get the ST at £16995 and no options needed either on the ST.
Dropped into a dealer today that made an early offer of 16,999 on an ST2 (yes, ST2) with an option pack that included red calipers etc. He said he would make nothing on this other than to make his figures!? Mad. I may well go for an ST2 Fiesta as a result 
Jumping Jehoshaphat ! When will sales people develop a more sophisticated approach to reassurance than deceiving about their situation or motivations.
Penneth said:
Correct, times have changed and Renault are moving with the times in order to remain a successful company, allowing them to continue making brilliant hot hatches for many years to come.
You sound like a Renault employee.Dumming down the product and trying to move into those areas with strong competition and established brand values is risky.
For the 'non drivers' is the Clio 200T going to be attractive enough to pull in sales? For the drivers, is it going to be good enough to the make up for the lack of choice, the looks and compromises?
You have no doubt, but many actually do.
Edited by Technomatt on Thursday 14th March 15:47
nickfrog said:
Well at last it's not a diesel...
My sentiments exactly.It's hard to genuinely accept someone's opinion like that when they're driving round in a diesel Civic...
I think it looks great, practical, fast and as I've said before, I'm looking forward to driving one.
I would like to know how realistic the fuel economy is though, that would be a key element for me to decide if it's worth chopping the Megane in for one.
roystinho said:
I imagine there won't be a cup as who would want a stripped back, no frills 5 dr hot hatch?
A very good point this one.I am holding out for a stripped Cup version, but as you say, it won't really work well on the 5 door platform.
It will no doubt only be a full fat + cup option.
Shame if that's the case.
Technomatt said:
roystinho said:
You don't get a 'cup' for paying more though with the basic interior, no a/c, a key to start etc. You pay slightly more for a car with everything just like you could have done with the last Clio and current Megane 265.
I imagine there won't be a cup as who would want a stripped back, no frills 5 dr hot hatch?
The Cup was always the 'value choice' for the enthusiast that wanted a lighter better handling base spec car. No longer available. Renaultsport have just reversed their marketing policy. Just like they are doing with other areas of known Renaultsport heritage. They are selling out for sales. Sad times.I imagine there won't be a cup as who would want a stripped back, no frills 5 dr hot hatch?
You never know, if they can shift a load of these then maybe they can develop something a little more special...
Rumour has it there's a 3dr coming in a coupe sort of form, just not badged 'Clio' anyway. Surely a RS one of those might be more 'PH'
Grovsie26 said:
nickfrog said:
Well at last it's not a diesel...
Indeed, a hot hatch can't be a diesel.Or was that a hilarious comment about my Civic? hard to tell these days it's just so funny.
The thing about a 1.6T is that it's easy to assume it's rubbish, poor throttle response, not keen to rev, no sound effect...
But the reality is that modern variable geo turbos have improved a bit and they are not THAT bad, the compromise is actually not that big.
I am really enjoying the MINI and the engine doesn't get in the way of the chassis, and that's enough for me. If anything, in 3rd, even out of a tight corners on the limit of traction, it's easy to maintain a good relationship between pedal travel and amount of lock unwound without much lag or violent bursts of torque, it's really well mapped.
Stupid thread is stupid.
The Fiesta is getting a bit long in the tooth. The Clio is brand new. So there's that, the added appeal of fresh metal.
The outgoing or previous Clio 200 was not a perfect car. Not by a long shot. So why do we expect the new RS Clio to be perfect??
Nobody pays £19k for a car, certainly not a Renault Clio. I've never heard of anyone walking into a dealer and paying cash. I'm sure it happens, but the majority of buyers lease purchase the thing and chop it in for a new model after 3 years, or 2 if they're willing to pay a little more.
That's the appeal of the Ford and Renault, and even Vauxhall etc; they can be bought for not much outlay. The people who'll never spend that much on a car, or even a new car, just don't feel comfortable paying a fixed monthly amount and then handing the car back. They see no value in it and prefer to own something outright.
The new car will be a better all round proposition and I hope Renault sell more of them.
The Fiesta is getting a bit long in the tooth. The Clio is brand new. So there's that, the added appeal of fresh metal.
The outgoing or previous Clio 200 was not a perfect car. Not by a long shot. So why do we expect the new RS Clio to be perfect??
Nobody pays £19k for a car, certainly not a Renault Clio. I've never heard of anyone walking into a dealer and paying cash. I'm sure it happens, but the majority of buyers lease purchase the thing and chop it in for a new model after 3 years, or 2 if they're willing to pay a little more.
That's the appeal of the Ford and Renault, and even Vauxhall etc; they can be bought for not much outlay. The people who'll never spend that much on a car, or even a new car, just don't feel comfortable paying a fixed monthly amount and then handing the car back. They see no value in it and prefer to own something outright.
The new car will be a better all round proposition and I hope Renault sell more of them.
that.
OK, OK it is starting to sound like a good package and the looks have grown on me very slightly. The suspension does sound nice and the price is reasonable so well done to Renault there.
But I don't want 5 doors!! I'm very likely to remove the rear seats at some point down the road in its life and rear doors always feel a bit odd.
Maybe I'll test drive it but the Fiesta ST is looking more like the car I would buy, though possibly looking a bit outgunned in the equipment area, it is cheap... (Not interested in the Polo[on price], Corsa, Pug or mini equivalent on looks)
But I don't want 5 doors!! I'm very likely to remove the rear seats at some point down the road in its life and rear doors always feel a bit odd.
Maybe I'll test drive it but the Fiesta ST is looking more like the car I would buy, though possibly looking a bit outgunned in the equipment area, it is cheap... (Not interested in the Polo[on price], Corsa, Pug or mini equivalent on looks)
big_boz said:
Perfectly reasoned from my side of things....
What you are saying is that you can justify spending a proportion of your net worth on motoring. Clearly you are enthusiastic about your motoring as you have chosen to invest in cars which are interesting and some (most of us) would deem as being "fun"...yet.....
Agreed.What you are saying is that you can justify spending a proportion of your net worth on motoring. Clearly you are enthusiastic about your motoring as you have chosen to invest in cars which are interesting and some (most of us) would deem as being "fun"...yet.....
big_boz said:
You are saying that you would not adjust your expectations of your motoring expense if your net worth were greater, as such you have clearly stated that "even if you could afford a Zonda" you would not be able to justify c£20k on (in this instance) a cliosport.
Correct. 2x 5 mile journeys a day. Only for ignorant people to open doors on to it, drive in to it (happened just after I'd spent hundreds on having bits resprayed) and in one case having parts stolen from it (wheel centres, reflectors, foglight surrounds, etc totalling several hundred).With such a small mileage I cannot justify changing what has been a reliable car for such a short journey.
big_boz said:
If you truly believed and stood by your implication, you would have never purchased these "fun cars" in the first instance as they are comparatively expensive to run compared to the more lowly variants of the same models in the case of the Skoda and the Ford, and then the TVR is a total deviation from your comments as it it completely unnecessary.
OK, see your point here, and I agree I have purchased an "enthusiasts" version, rather than the poverty spec one. However, at the point of purchase my lifestyle and commute was rather different.big_boz said:
Now I am perfectly willing to accept that you are (to coin a Yorkshire term) "tight"
big_boz said:
...but that is not to say that £19k is alot to pay for a cliosport compared to other new cars, frankly it isn't....to justify this, is a Boxster more than twice the car that the Renault is...clearly not, but it cost more than twice as much new. ALL new cars surely seem expensive in your eyes...would you disagree with this statement...i assume not?
Clearly my perception of the price of a small car is out of touch - I'll agree to that - and yes, I do think cars are expensive. hoban81 said:
big_boz said:
Your point being what? that you can buy a 20 year old hot hatch for £2.5k?
Nice looking 205 but irrelevant
My point is in my post. I thought it was quite obvious.Nice looking 205 but irrelevant
Your point was extremely relevant NOT.
IMHO, Renaultsport Clios always tend to improve with development, the 197 only got luke warm reviews when new from most of the motoring press, whereas the 200 Cup was loved. I'm sure this new model will be the same. However, having a 5 door only non manual gearbox only car leaves the door open for Peugeot to return, Im really really hoping the new 208 is good!!
And the final point is this; If average wages are staying the same but car prices are going up then clearly they are getting more expensive in real terms. THe car industry is just lucky that mortgage rates are so low and people can afford the £400 per month on lease deals to buy new cars..
roystinho said:
Selling out for sales, they need to. They're a business after all. How many RS Meganes did they sell last year? How many Clio 200s do you see on the road?
You never know, if they can shift a load of these then maybe they can develop something a little more special...
Rumour has it there's a 3dr coming in a coupe sort of form, just not badged 'Clio' anyway. Surely a RS one of those might be more 'PH'
This is only a modified RS version of the new Clio, right? Missed opportunities. No Brembo brakes, no Recaros, no manual option (the 6 speed manual is already on the same engine in the Nissan Juke), no base spec cheap/lighter Cup etc. You never know, if they can shift a load of these then maybe they can develop something a little more special...
Rumour has it there's a 3dr coming in a coupe sort of form, just not badged 'Clio' anyway. Surely a RS one of those might be more 'PH'
They could have developed the RS brand to pull in more sales and appeal to those buyers that may want the all those latest fancy toys (artificial piped engine noise...) whilst also not alienating the previous customer base. They should have extended the appeal, not reduce it or shift it.
They are now seriously in danger of shooting themselves in the foot due to money being wasted on the non core electric business. Wasted opportunity.
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