RE: Ford Focus RS: by the numbers
Discussion
The lack of a DSG transmission must be really hurting the RS's 0-60 time. In gear times should be a lot better!
(and no, this car doesn't have a "proper" transmission. It might be able to torque vector, but it can't Overspeed individual wheels which is what's required for full yaw control (a-la Mitshoewishy Evo)
(and no, this car doesn't have a "proper" transmission. It might be able to torque vector, but it can't Overspeed individual wheels which is what's required for full yaw control (a-la Mitshoewishy Evo)
Escort Si-130 said:
They are currently developing one. However if there is a manual option with any sports car, I would go for that over the DSG any day.
People are so used to DSG now though, especially in anything remotely performance related, that the manual best be a good 'un. Having said that, Ford don't seem to have trouble selling these, but they have at last used all wheel drive. I wonder what the clutch weight/ driveline shunt/ gear shift quality is like...markcoznottz said:
You are sort of excusing ford from needing a DSG box, on the basis of not much, are they too tight to develop one? I thought they are available essentially 'off the shelf'. You could have the popping and banging, and blip downshifts etc which would suit an rs a lot.
Max_Torque said:
The lack of a DSG transmission must be really hurting the RS's 0-60 time. In gear times should be a lot better!
(and no, this car doesn't have a "proper" transmission. It might be able to torque vector, but it can't Overspeed individual wheels which is what's required for full yaw control (a-la Mitshoewishy Evo)
The rear wheels are oversped and the clutch packs slip to release the difference when not used(and no, this car doesn't have a "proper" transmission. It might be able to torque vector, but it can't Overspeed individual wheels which is what's required for full yaw control (a-la Mitshoewishy Evo)
First review is out and whilst it is hardly detailed it does paint a good first impression.
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/ford/focus-st/2...
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/ford/focus-st/2...
Love it - even the colour, but I'd be tempted to order a grey one, the ST looks superb in the grey IMO and I think this would too.
Be a tough choice between this and the Civic (current horrendous lease deals aside) for me. The Megane is superb also but older tech - the others don't really float my boat but look at all the choice we have! What a time to be alive.
Be a tough choice between this and the Civic (current horrendous lease deals aside) for me. The Megane is superb also but older tech - the others don't really float my boat but look at all the choice we have! What a time to be alive.
Max_Torque said:
The lack of a DSG transmission must be really hurting the RS's 0-60 time. In gear times should be a lot better!
(and no, this car doesn't have a "proper" transmission. It might be able to torque vector, but it can't Overspeed individual wheels which is what's required for full yaw control (a-la Mitshoewishy Evo)
Actually, it can overspeed a rear wheel. The system is a reworked version of the Twinster setup IIRC.(and no, this car doesn't have a "proper" transmission. It might be able to torque vector, but it can't Overspeed individual wheels which is what's required for full yaw control (a-la Mitshoewishy Evo)
Axionknight said:
Love it - even the colour, but I'd be tempted to order a grey one, the ST looks superb in the grey IMO and I think this would too.
Be a tough choice between this and the Civic (current horrendous lease deals aside) for me. The Megane is superb also but older tech - the others don't really float my boat but look at all the choice we have! What a time to be alive.
Hot Hatchdom hasn't had it so good since the late 80's/90's and I don't think you can make a bad choice out of the lot of them.Be a tough choice between this and the Civic (current horrendous lease deals aside) for me. The Megane is superb also but older tech - the others don't really float my boat but look at all the choice we have! What a time to be alive.
I've ordered a Stealth Grey RS since October but the Megane Cup S 275 caught my eye as that was also a bargain and if I was happy to stay FWD I probably would have gone to test drive one of those.
jjr1 said:
First review is out and whilst it is hardly detailed it does paint a good first impression.
http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/ford/focus-st/2...
Lol, where have you been all day?http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/ford/focus-st/2...
IanJ9375 said:
Max_Torque said:
The lack of a DSG transmission must be really hurting the RS's 0-60 time. In gear times should be a lot better!
(and no, this car doesn't have a "proper" transmission. It might be able to torque vector, but it can't Overspeed individual wheels which is what's required for full yaw control (a-la Mitshoewishy Evo)
The rear wheels are oversped and the clutch packs slip to release the difference when not used(and no, this car doesn't have a "proper" transmission. It might be able to torque vector, but it can't Overspeed individual wheels which is what's required for full yaw control (a-la Mitshoewishy Evo)
Just like my Legend does. It's a stunningly good system.
markcoznottz said:
Escort Si-130 said:
They are currently developing one. However if there is a manual option with any sports car, I would go for that over the DSG any day.
People are so used to DSG now though, especially in anything remotely performance related, that the manual best be a good 'un. Having said that, Ford don't seem to have trouble selling these, but they have at last used all wheel drive. I wonder what the clutch weight/ driveline shunt/ gear shift quality is like...markcoznottz said:
You are sort of excusing ford from needing a DSG box, on the basis of not much, are they too tight to develop one? I thought they are available essentially 'off the shelf'. You could have the popping and banging, and blip downshifts etc which would suit an rs a lot.
driftingphil said:
Unless these are offered on cheap lease deals, i not sure we will see many around like the Golf R. I love the way people pretends a 30k is an affordable alternative to a 40k car. I'd honestly wonder what planet people are on when they think it offer value for money. I guess those buying must be hoping they hold there value like the Mark II has, in which case if they do i guess they will be laughing..
Over 50% sold of allocation without one being driven, doubt you will get a cheap lease.Mafffew said:
Before you even get behind the wheel, Ford look to have come up trumps. The sheer value for money is difficult to ignore, they did the same with the Fiesta ST and the Focus ST as well.
Fingers crossed they start depreciating like a stone so I can get my hands on one! Unlimited numbers means it's more likely than the Mk2 RS which have held very very well.
It's a Ford with an RS badge on it, it won't depreciate less than a couple of grand for at least 5yrs IMO.Fingers crossed they start depreciating like a stone so I can get my hands on one! Unlimited numbers means it's more likely than the Mk2 RS which have held very very well.
VTECMatt said:
driftingphil said:
Unless these are offered on cheap lease deals, i not sure we will see many around like the Golf R. I love the way people pretends a 30k is an affordable alternative to a 40k car. I'd honestly wonder what planet people are on when they think it offer value for money. I guess those buying must be hoping they hold there value like the Mark II has, in which case if they do i guess they will be laughing..
Over 50% sold of allocation without one being driven, doubt you will get a cheap lease.
Really?? Is this "5dr only ...not a true RS" debate still going on, a year after its reveal??? Ffs
Ford deliberately didnt tool up for a mk3 focus in 3dr form, because in europe, 3dr mk2 Focus' accounted for 4% of the sales. So why would they bother in tooling and r&d for a 3dr mk3 focus?? Especially now the Mustang is here, why would they have a 3dr Focus RS "specially" also!??
On another note for the "experts" out there...a 2wd sierra sapphire cosworth had 4 doors and and looked like a ghia with tarted up bumpers. It was and is a "toned down" RS. So are people gonna try and tell me a 2wd saff is not a true RS?? Sure half the RS brigade pleasure themselves over many mundane stuff like a saff cossie that has more than 3drs, yet complain about this Focus!!
And regarding RS Direct, they have artificially held the mk2 FRS at them horrendous prices for the sake of their own business!! Really...would you have a 6/7yr old FWD overpriced, volvo powered focus....over a 7/8yr old BMW M3!?? You would have to be completely insane to choose a mk2 Focus RS in that scenario!! People dont realise that!!! And when you are into cars of that age and of "sporty" description, running costs shouldnt matter. So no need to mention it in this case.
Ford deliberately didnt tool up for a mk3 focus in 3dr form, because in europe, 3dr mk2 Focus' accounted for 4% of the sales. So why would they bother in tooling and r&d for a 3dr mk3 focus?? Especially now the Mustang is here, why would they have a 3dr Focus RS "specially" also!??
On another note for the "experts" out there...a 2wd sierra sapphire cosworth had 4 doors and and looked like a ghia with tarted up bumpers. It was and is a "toned down" RS. So are people gonna try and tell me a 2wd saff is not a true RS?? Sure half the RS brigade pleasure themselves over many mundane stuff like a saff cossie that has more than 3drs, yet complain about this Focus!!
And regarding RS Direct, they have artificially held the mk2 FRS at them horrendous prices for the sake of their own business!! Really...would you have a 6/7yr old FWD overpriced, volvo powered focus....over a 7/8yr old BMW M3!?? You would have to be completely insane to choose a mk2 Focus RS in that scenario!! People dont realise that!!! And when you are into cars of that age and of "sporty" description, running costs shouldnt matter. So no need to mention it in this case.
Will be interesting to see what the 3rd party Ford tuners do with it, they did a lot with the previous model, but this will actually be able to transmit it to the tarmac.
Ford wont struggle to sell them if 2300 order already taken and only 4500 being available.
Its sort of ironic that the Ford will be mainly bought, at list price and its the VAG model that is being offered relatively cheaply on lease deals despite having nicer cupholders and stuff.
Ford wont struggle to sell them if 2300 order already taken and only 4500 being available.
Its sort of ironic that the Ford will be mainly bought, at list price and its the VAG model that is being offered relatively cheaply on lease deals despite having nicer cupholders and stuff.
Jimmy Recard said:
I love the idea that Ford won't sell many of them when the company is easily selling the target numbers without any discounts
See my post up the page slightly where I quote the Ford UK MD and his expectation to sell 4000-4500 in the UK due to the capacity nearly being maxed out before we had all the reviews such as todays. IanJ9375 said:
See my post up the page slightly where I quote the Ford UK MD and his expectation to sell 4000-4500 in the UK due to the capacity nearly being maxed out before we had all the reviews such as todays.
I've seen it. When I ordered mine I wasn't surprised that every desk at the dealership had people waiting to choose their options and put deposits down.IanJ9375 said:
Jimmy Recard said:
I love the idea that Ford won't sell many of them when the company is easily selling the target numbers without any discounts
See my post up the page slightly where I quote the Ford UK MD and his expectation to sell 4000-4500 in the UK due to the capacity nearly being maxed out before we had all the reviews such as todays. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff